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oliver
oliver
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13 Nov 2009 10:48pm
I was checking out paddles the other week and saw a kiaola methane with a price tag of $500.00. It made me wonder about the markup on these paddles. I'm no expert or bush mechanic but I'm a pretty good consumer.

Should I ask my boss for a pay rise or are these paddles over priced?
messup
messup
NSW
182 posts
NSW, 182 posts
14 Nov 2009 7:07am
oliver , i think your right about overpriced , without upsetting DJ and a few other kialoa lovers,
dont start about advanced materials carbon fibre bla bla , weight etc i can get a Australian wood paddle HAND made by Xylo paddles for 350 (retail) and a mass produced paddle for 500 ?
makes you wonder , sure there is a weight difference but we are talking hours of hard work sanding , glueing , and sealing . compared to pop out from mould and cut and glue ,
thats my rant for the day all better now .
tom
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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14 Nov 2009 7:54am
You just have to go into a bicycle shop and look and all the carbon stuff that they sell (bars/stems/seat posts/wheels etc) and look at the price of that stuff and you realize that our carbon paddles are a bargain price.

Also Ducati/Aprilia and KTM have all these carbon nic-nacs for their bikes but jeeez.. The price is outrageous... Quality carbon fiber is expensive stuff.

Soon after buying my first Kialoa they had a price rise that took them above Werner and I contacted Kialoa asking if they could drop their price just a little so that they would be competitive with Werner otherwise Kialoa would lose a lot of customers to Werner.. and to my surprise they explained that they couldn't due to the high cost of making them and that they make very little profit on them.

I'm not sticking up for Kialoa saying this (well maybe I am) .. I'm just passing on my thoughts.. Kialoa and Werner make their paddles using a very hi-tech process that's different to most others I think and this all costs money.

The new Naish carbon paddles cost about the same as Kialoa and I'm sure that if Naish could sell them cheaper they would.

If anyone wants a cheap paddle I can help them make one for about $60 but it wont paddle as well as a beautiful carbon or wood paddle..

It will be interesting to see and paddle with all they new paddles at the Mambo this year..

DJ
LSD
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14 Nov 2009 8:47am
oliver said...

I was checking out paddles the other week and saw a kiaola methane with a price tag of $500.00. It made me wonder about the markup on these paddles. I'm no expert or bush mechanic but I'm a pretty good consumer.

Should I ask my boss for a pay rise or are these paddles over priced?


Interesting thing about carbon, there was a shortage around 2005/6 with high demand for aircraft, Airbus etc, & US war stuf....but with the recent recession carbon fiber is in good supply, & cheep, particularly from China where a lot of paddles will be made.
A good paddle weighs around 500 gm, so it contains about 250/300gms of carbon. Carbon @ $10/kg plus a dob of resin......material cost for a paddle made in China $5
So Oliver......there is good mark up along the way.
But if you buy high quality filament wound paddle shaft from CST here in AU it will cost almost $200 I get mine from NZ, its a bit cheaper & still very high quality.
To buy cheap from China "quantity" is required & quality of the carbon can be sus.
See the boss for a pay rise Oliver......or talk to me
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
WA, 8133 posts
14 Nov 2009 6:42am
Sweet, snowy board and paddle package for $205, how do we order one? will they be on eBay?
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
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QLD, 1929 posts
14 Nov 2009 11:19am
LSD said...
Carbon @ $10/kg

I think that might be close to the price for the raw product, but for anything in a usable form for manufacturing a paddle or board that price is way off.

The woven cloth which you find in the paddles probably starts around $50/m2 for dry woven cloth at about 199gsm, so it ends up being more like $250/kg. If they are using pre-preg cloth you can probably double that number.

However, i think stuff like paddles, and bike parts in particular are massively overpriced. hell you could sell anything to a roadie if you tell them its carbon and put a big price tag on it, the more expensive it is the more they will want it.

LSD
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14 Nov 2009 12:42pm
hilly said...

Sweet, snowy board and paddle package for $205, how do we order one? will they be on eBay?


Ha Ha....funny boy hilly, maybe destroyed gear for $205
Sparx
Sparx
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14 Nov 2009 3:04pm
Just picked up a paddle from Dean this week and compared to whats around the price and quality is freakin awesome. Have just spent all morning putting it through its paces in some punchy little beachies and couldnt be more stoked. Thanks again.
CHEERS
Sparx
daletor
daletor
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14 Nov 2009 4:12pm
Sparx said...

Just picked up a paddle from Dean this week and compared to whats around the price and quality is freakin awesome. Have just spent all morning putting it through its paces in some punchy little beachies and couldnt be more stoked. Thanks again.
CHEERS
Sparx


I got my paddle off Dean two weeks ago. Had it out everyday. Love the lightweight. Dean knows his materials and knows how to build quality boards and paddles.
Dale
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OG SUP
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14 Nov 2009 11:48pm
I have to say Deans Airwave paddles are the goods for sure.

Very light and the pass the full on light sabre and jousting test by Jarrod and Adam.

I have seen Yoda rip a radical cuttie (by far the best I have ever seen) and the flex in the paddle shaft was totally rediculous it just came back into shape and he smashed the lip doddled to the nose and screamed off down the line.

For a guy who is almost 100 he does pretty well!

But I am sick of carrying his walking frame back from the roady point.

Phill

LSD
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15 Nov 2009 8:42am
OG SUP said...

I have to say Deans Airwave paddles are the goods for sure.

Very light and the pass the full on light sabre and jousting test by Jarrod and Adam.

I have seen Yoda rip a radical cuttie (by far the best I have ever seen) and the flex in the paddle shaft was totally rediculous it just came back into shape and he smashed the lip doddled to the nose and screamed off down the line.

For a guy who is almost 100 he does pretty well!

But I am sick of carrying his walking frame back from the roady point.

Phill



Hey Phill .......I've upgraded to the lightweight carbon walking stick......Tripple wound!....so you won't have to drag that heavy walking frame up the beach.....






sam111
sam111
NSW
82 posts
NSW, 82 posts
15 Nov 2009 9:58pm
Just so you all know, ALL KIALOA carbon paddles are made in the USA all parts included and not in china,
OG SUP
OG SUP
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15 Nov 2009 11:58pm
Hey Sam,

Kialoa:
Kristi and I have flogged our Methanes to death, fallen on them hit the boards hard etc and to date no issues at all.

At 110kg I dont muck about getting onto a wave and I find the smaller Methane makes rapid initial strokes more efficient and less effort. The quality and performace is second to none in my opinion.

Dean has recently made Nesha a custom adjustable lenght Airwave Paddle with a smaller dia shaft to suite her size hands and I have to say its a beautiful job. The quailty and finish is top notch. Weight wise it is comparable to the standard methane even though it is double shafted. She loved it when she saw it today, I think this paddle will last her a life time.

Me thinks Niki may want one too in the near future.

Dean thank you again for your help and ingenuity.

Regards

Phill



DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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16 Nov 2009 12:54am
I've heard that Kialoa are working on an even smaller paddle than the Methane that will be perfect for women and children.

It makes a lot of sense because there's plenty of big strong guys using the Methane as their preferred paddle.

I use the Shaka Pu'u most of the time and I often find it a bit too big.. If I only had one paddle it would be the Methane for sure.

DJ
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16 Nov 2009 9:02am
DJ,

I use the Methane in the surf as I often sit right under the lip on the DC 9'4 and need a first gear power shot to get on the wave. With a bigger blade I cant get the instantaneous take off grunt I want. But just remember I am a sissy.

The Quick Blade Rich has is also a lovely paddle (havent tried it in the surf yet) it is effortless paddling on the flatwater.

Revvin Kevins Kia Kaha I find allows me to turn much tighter arcs on the 9'4. The Kia Kaha has a stiffer shaft and the blade seems to bit harder in the turn, but I dont like it for late take off. I would love to see the Kia Kaha in a slightly smaller blade myself. When I spoke to Jodi a few months ago about a smaller blade I heard there was someting in the wind.

I havent tried an Airwave yet but thats high on the list if I can get someone to give one up for 1/2 hour.

I have seen Sparx rip he does nice tight arcs and cross paddle turns really using the paddle to advantage. He will really give a paddle a fair work out and he loves his Airwave.

Like everything else at the moment we are getting more an more spoiled for choice.

Its a great thing for the consumer.

Phill





thephantom
thephantom
5 posts
5 posts
16 Nov 2009 9:39am
It's pretty simple really.....
You get what you pay for.

QB elite racer by far the best paddle going around and worth every cent.
LSD
LSD
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16 Nov 2009 2:52pm
thephantom said...

It's pretty simple really.....
You get what you pay for.

QB elite racer by far the best paddle going around and worth every cent.


Right on mate.
The C-Tech carbon shaft I buy is engineered to specification.
C-Tech make a lot of ,carbon gear for Americas Cup yachts so it's top grade.
And the Carbon uni & Bi directional twill I use for the blade comes from Toray Japan, high modulus stuff.
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