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LSD
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9 Jan 2010 10:30pm
Shallow water drag?
When you paddle from deep water to shallow water, about 500mm or so deep, the board slows noticibly, & then requires more effort to keep the same speed you had in the deeper water.
Its known as the squat effect..Google it ships have to calculate it's effect in shallow areas.
Also known as Bernoulli principle.
And...if your into racing avoid the shallows.
Try it one glassy day...it's very noticable
MickV
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9 Jan 2010 10:42pm
I used to notice it a lot when I raced K1's.
Took me a while to figure out what caused it.
DavidJohn
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9 Jan 2010 11:20pm
I like the shallows.. even if it means going slower..

Interesting stuff Dean.

I also find it interesting how much less power there is near the surface.

What's that called Dean?

DJ
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9 Jan 2010 10:50pm
Funny that Dean i noticed that today when myself and steve (pirad) were paddling in the mangroves. It was low tide and not much water in some areas and it did feel like a lot more hard work
LSD
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10 Jan 2010 12:03am
MickV said...

I used to notice it a lot when I raced K1's.
Took me a while to figure out what caused it.


Yeah...thats how I first noticed it, in kayaks.
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10 Jan 2010 12:05am
Had the same issues in the Barwon this morning testing your theory Dean as usual spot on!

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DavidJohn said...

I like the shallows.. even if it means going slower..

Interesting stuff Dean.

I also find it interesting how much less power there is near the surface.

What's that called Dean?

DJ


Sorry..what do you mean DJ?
DavidJohn
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10 Jan 2010 12:14am
What I mean is that you can pull a paddle through the water a lot easier when it's near the surface than when it's much deeper.

Just like the way a boat prop will spin up or cavitate when it's lifted to near the surface.

Maybe that's why a deeper fin has more bite than smaller fins even if they're the same area.

It must be called something other than gravity and its effect on the water.

DJ
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10 Jan 2010 8:11am
DavidJohn said...

What I mean is that you can pull a paddle through the water a lot easier when it's near the surface than when it's much deeper.

Just like the way a boat prop will spin up or cavitate when it's lifted to near the surface.

Maybe that's why a deeper fin has more bite than smaller fins even if they're the same area.

It must be called something other than gravity and its effect on the water.

DJ

Ah yes.... I thought this is what you ment...but wasn't sure.
I was going to post this subject a while ago but hesitated because I thought that the shallow paddle diping effect you mention may be the real cause of the sudden increase in "apparent" board drag in the shallows.
Having a paddle fully submerged is very important for good "grip" on the water, & you can't do that in water that is no deeper than your blade. so I looked at this reduction in horse power as the cause. It obviously will reduce the speed that you can pull the board through the water, due to the blade ventilating & the change in the water flow around the blade.
But its unmistakable how intantly the board becomes boged over a shallow spot...even between strokes....as if weed has caught yor fin.
And it will happen with the slickest hull or the slowest.


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