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Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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12 Aug 2014 11:33pm

I am a useless SUP'er but I try. Try irregularly, that is...
It is good rehab for all my windsurfing injuries.

Anyway, as an idea of skill level I am a bit overweight at 100kg in off season, and have a 10' x 33.5 " JP widebody. I can paddle around all day in 6-8kn and small swell and not fall off. Riding waves I suck, but have caught a few.


Now:

When I started I got sore arches under my feet and then saw tips along the lines of don't clench your toes etc, just relax. I thought yeah that make sense I can feel what I am doign with my toes all clenched up, so I relaxed my feet and it is all good.

Now after not SUPing for a few months, back out on the water and I am fine for 15mins and then feet get a tiny bit numb. Could stay out for ages, but it is there... Seems not to be from tensed up feet.

So after I get off the water it is worse, pins n needles in my feet like when you fall asleep on your arm and if you poke it, it feels dead. Feet not quite so bad, but enough.
I also have discomfort in my sacral area (spine meets pelvis).
This all goes away after 10mins packing up and then driving home (2mins)
Given I have fkd up hip, broken left ankle and suspect knees from windsurfing, and previous (minor) back issues, I wonder if it is not technique when SUPing and perhaps it is a nerve pinch.
On the other hand - it does not last long, so is it normal for unfit useless bastard beginner SUPers?

Anyone...?

Towny
Towny
NSW
903 posts
NSW, 903 posts
13 Aug 2014 7:03am
The cold at this time of year doesn't help with any injury's.
sharpie
sharpie
NSW
347 posts
NSW, 347 posts
13 Aug 2014 7:32am
try and move your feet around a bit as well while your paddling, it happens to me too when i dont sup regularly
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
13 Aug 2014 7:10am
My feet still ache like hell, until I start catching some waves.
I can only take from this, that moving around a bit must help.
trouble is I struggle to move around when I'm just floating around waiting for a wave

Also the more regularly I go out the less it aches.

you just have to spend more time on the water and more time trying to catch waves.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
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13 Aug 2014 10:13am
As a fellow big windsurfer (110kegs...still!) turned to SUP for fitness throughout the doldrums (but also hooked on waves now), and I went through that also. All above replies are relevant, especially moving your feet, which is where big boards are good as you can move your feet around a bit. I'd also suggest some stretching beforehand and looking at your stance & technique.

A good piece of advice I got early was that you shouldn't try to pull the paddle back through the water, but try to dig the paddle in and pull your board forward. This engages the hips, lower back and core and will keep blood and warmth going through them throughout the session. You may tire a bit early & get some muscle stiffness the first few times, but as you know, like windsurfing - the more you do it, the better your muscle memory & strength gets.
Sharper
Sharper
QLD
82 posts
QLD, 82 posts
13 Aug 2014 7:07pm
The sacral pain and pins and needles in feet might just be connected. Have you had any bulging or herniated discs in the lumbar or sacral area in the past? Sounds like it could be touching the nerve. The nerves run all the way down your legs from that area. I'd suggest seeing your doc and mention the two things. He might recommend an MRI or CT. I've had issues with lower disc bulges myself. The rocking and twisting motions on SUP can aggravate it. It's taken me a while to recover (but everyones different). Part of the recovery has been stretching twice a day every day to reduce the amount of muscle pull on the spine from the hip flexors, hamstrings and glutes and a few other tips which I'm happy to share.
Nozza
Nozza
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13 Aug 2014 10:03pm
I typed a really long and detailed reply.
I deleted it.
Keep paddling and your feet will stop hurting.
beerdead
beerdead
NSW
433 posts
NSW, 433 posts
13 Aug 2014 10:50pm
More yoga.

Less age.
CarterSUPhysio
CarterSUPhysio
QLD
179 posts
QLD, 179 posts
29 Sep 2014 4:22pm
Hey Mark,without a physical assessment it makes it tricky as it could be any number of things, but a few things you're saying fit with some kind of spinal stenosis. This sounds scary, but it relates to the spaces where your nerves exit the spine. People most often associate pins, needles and numbness with a disc injury. This could be the case, and often it is, but you can have what you're describing from wear and tear on the bones themselves. This wear and tear can make the spaces where the nerves exit narrower, leading to them getting pinched - similar to a disc herniation but not necessarily caused by a disc herniation.What makes sense to me is that when you are standing upright for a while, on an unstable surface - you get your symptoms. When you stop this and even sit down in the car for two minutes, your symptoms improve. The clincher with these positions is that when your spine is bent, the holes where the nerves exit are provided with a little more space, compared to when you are in extension (standing up - with probably some over extension moments from balancing) then these spaces are narrowed.Disc injuries are usually the opposite of this, where symptoms are improved with extended positions and worsened with bending or sitting.Probably worth while getting a scan if these symptoms persist and are limiting your enjoyment of SUP. Then off to a physio for a core strengthening program and advice!
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
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29 Sep 2014 4:41pm
Don't want to come across as an arsehole , but are you a natural 100kg dude or are you overweight? You would probably find many of your issues would lessen if you lost weight. I blew out to 96kg and had all kinds of aches and pains from my old footy days , sore back hips ect. I lost 10kg and much of those issues have gone , its not that hard you don't need to starve yourself or kill yourself in the gym , its just the little things adding up , like walking more eating less sugary **** ect. Loose 5 or 10KG and you will feel great.
caltrano
caltrano
VIC
87 posts
VIC, 87 posts
29 Sep 2014 6:00pm
Pain in my feet as described is the same - I am getting out 1 - 2 days per week and about 1 hour into the surf my feet start to ache and they stay the same for the rest of the surf.

Pretty much the same in Summer - although I spend more time in the water - still aching feet. very annoying. I have been too lazy to find exercises as I had put it down to old age - I am also 100kg and certain that 10 - 15 kg less would be fantastic.

Digital1010
Digital1010
3 posts
3 posts
29 Sep 2014 4:28pm
Hi new poster here, been reading lots never registered.

A really good trick is to stand on a tennis ball in different places of the foot and roll it about(or a golf ball if you're brave). Look on your tube and the net, loads of videos and pages about it: )

From the sounds of it though it seems to be more specific to your core strength and back issues which are probably shortened muscles and lack of mobility. I used to suffer with very similar things and one of those foam massage therapy rollers and daily yoga stretches aimed at target areas has done wonders.

Ben
emw
emw
VIC
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emw emw
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29 Sep 2014 6:57pm
The other thing which i don't think has been mentioned yet is, TECHNIQUE!

Get yourself along to a SUP club and make sure you're paddling right. There's heaps of them in WA (as long as you're not too remote) and they're all extremely friendly. Also take a look at some pros paddling, in particular Travis Grant, Danny Ching and Dave Kalama who have the best techniques out there (IMO).

A good tip is to get a friend to video you paddling, as you might not be paddling how you think you are. Curving of the spine etc


jafa1970
jafa1970
TAS
22 posts
TAS, 22 posts
29 Sep 2014 8:07pm

+1 for foam rolling and using a golf ball for feet. A 1.5" dowell is another great tool to roll feet, and legs with.

TP Therapy rollers are excellent, check out their website to get ideas on how to use them. You will not regret it, works wonders.

Cheers
Phil
jt737
jt737
QLD
418 posts
QLD, 418 posts
29 Sep 2014 9:05pm
Perhaps try wear some windsurfer type boaties with good arch support such as "Vibram five fingers" first, that may alleviate the pain and be a low cost solution.
Digital1010
Digital1010
3 posts
3 posts
30 Sep 2014 4:16am
jafa1970 said..

+1 for foam rolling and using a golf ball for feet. A 1.5" dowell is another great tool to roll feet, and legs with.

TP Therapy rollers are excellent, check out their website to get ideas on how to use them. You will not regret it, works wonders.

Cheers
Phil


Theres some dude who's got a load of vids on the internet surf strength etc. Chris Mills he's called. Goes into a lot of that sort of stuff. With his advice and a local sports massage person i know years of desk based work abuse is being relieved. The trouble is when you're desk based then you go for a surf or a kite or a Sup like i like to do your body doesn't know whats hit it sometimes. Just daily foam roller use and stretching goes a loooong way but you have to commit to get the benefits and keep it up in between and pre/post sessions.

I hit 40 in a week or so so def starting to realise the importance of staying flexible!!

Ben
pgc
pgc
VIC
886 posts
pgc pgc
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30 Sep 2014 7:02am
i have cardio disease and my feet go numb every time i am in the water . get it checked out for you're own safety.

Pauricdeery
Pauricdeery
3 posts
3 posts
15 Oct 2014 6:38am
I had this quite a lot at times aswell. I'd say it could be tight plantar facia which runs along the sole of your foot. There are plenty of exercises to do on land to stretch it but what I do on the water is kneel down on the board for a while with your toes tucked under your feet so you are stretching the bottom of the foot. Sit back on your heels to add a bit more pressure. This completely gets rid of my pain. Hope that explanation makes sence.

Pauric
Comrad
Comrad
SA
70 posts
SA, 70 posts
15 Oct 2014 9:35am
teatrea said..
Don't want to come across as an arsehole , but are you a natural 100kg dude or are you overweight? You would probably find many of your issues would lessen if you lost weight. I blew out to 96kg and had all kinds of aches and pains from my old footy days , sore back hips ect. I lost 10kg and much of those issues have gone , its not that hard you don't need to starve yourself or kill yourself in the gym , its just the little things adding up , like walking more eating less sugary **** ect. Loose 5 or 10KG and you will feel great.


Same experience for me, overweight and lots of pain, lost 10kgs from suping and swimming laps, pain gone. Now just a pleasant muscle ache occasionally to remind me of the kilometers I paddled/swam. The big gut hanging out the front really stuffs up the body. I cut out deep fried food but kept the beer and hamburgers.
Brenno
Brenno
QLD
907 posts
QLD, 907 posts
15 Oct 2014 10:05am
Sounds familiar! I started out at 110 kgs, the first time I went for a long flat water SUP, I had to stop every 10 mins on the sand and walk it off. My feet hurt like hell. I got myself down to around 95kgs, and don't do much flat water any more, spending all my SUP time in the surf. The difference is amazing, the only time my feet feel numb now is when there's really long breaks between sets. I also try to walk my board to the beach barefoot, toughen 'em up a bit (soft from wearing boots at work). I am still big, just not as big!
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