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LSD
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16 Aug 2009 9:23am
FOR A START LOOSE THE GOD DAM WEIGHT! (not off ur ass stupid....the board)
Those who ride expensive mass produced boards are quite simply being duped.
Can someone show me a manufacturer that brags about their board weights?

Look at the weights advertised on JP & Starboard sailboards... 6kg +/- 6% or so for a board similar volume to my current board.....but far stronger....(and they still cost $150 to make)
Major manufactures will continue to make boards cheaply, & milk what they can out of it till market pressure demands a lighter, more performance orientated product.
If you dont think it makes any difference....well try this IF you have a 6kg board
How to set up for the "Pro board feel" !!!


Tux
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16 Aug 2009 9:30am
you can always move your fin forward or your foot back as well.....
theDoctor
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16 Aug 2009 9:31am
a bottle of cheap booze normally works for the missus

i told her about your idea, and said 'loose the god dam weight'

now i have to find somewhere else to sleep

so maybe i thinks you don't know what you're talking about...

besides

that board looks like a giant lizards vagina
LSD
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16 Aug 2009 9:37am
Tux said...

you can always move your fin forward or your foot back as well.....


you have totaly missed the point....Demand more quality for your buck!
(a heavy board will never be light & responsive)
LSD
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16 Aug 2009 9:58am
theDoctor said...

a bottle of cheap booze normally works for the missus

i told her about your idea, and said 'loose the god dam weight'

now i have to find somewhere else to sleep

so maybe i thinks you don't know what you're talking about...

besides

that board looks like a giant lizards vagina

I've been told it looks like a "C+++" of a board

loco4olas
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16 Aug 2009 10:13am
LSD said...


Those who ride expensive mass produced boards are quite simply being duped.
Can someone show me a manufacturer that brags about their board weights?

Major manufactures will continue to make boards cheaply, & milk what they can out of it till market pressure demands a lighter, more performance orientated product.



I gotta' agree-coming from a surfing background with hand shaped (now usually machine profiled and hand finished) custom boards for the past 30+ years and never paying more than $500 at the most-I find the prices of the mass produced boards obscene.

Having said that I own a couple and am very happy with them-just try to overlay the price shock with a sufficient number of great rides to justify the expenditure-hopefully they hold their price on a re-sale......?

goatman
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16 Aug 2009 10:58am
Clearly it is not so easy to find Asian manufacturers that can make em light AND durable. I guess they build in a certain amount of safety margin into them so they stand up to the abuse they are likely to receive from a beginner. Plus they are trying to make em fast so keeping weight off wouldn't be a priority.

I reckon though that unless your hitting the lip or whitewater a lot, 'swing weight' won't play a major factor in a board's looseness. The bottom shape will be the number one factor (rocker) along with all the other things that make up a well designed surfcraft.

That said I am getting a custom myself in a few weeks so I can turn tighter and to shed some weight for hitting the lip and to improve the general liveliness of the thing.
I will definately keep my 'mass produced asian pop out' however as it goes awesome in bigger and or fatter waves, which from watching most of the hawaiian vids, seems to be what they SUP surf a lot over there. Weight isn't a big factor when it's double overhead
OG SUP
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16 Aug 2009 11:30am
Hey Dean,

I am working on 10kg off my ass and 3kg of my board, damn is the biggest loser forum?

Maybe I clicked the wrong link?

Phill


LSD said...

FOR A START LOOSE THE GOD DAM WEIGHT! (not off ur ass stupid....the board)
Those who ride expensive mass produced boards are quite simply being duped.
Can someone show me a manufacturer that brags about their board weights?

Look at the weights advertised on JP & Starboard sailboards... 6kg +/- 6% or so for a board similar volume to my current board.....but far stronger....(and they still cost $150 to make)
Major manufactures will continue to make boards cheaply, & milk what they can out of it till market pressure demands a lighter, more performance orientated product.
If you dont think it makes any difference....well try this IF you have a 6kg board
How to set up for the "Pro board feel" !!!





laceys lane
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16 Aug 2009 12:10pm
totally agree, heavier boards are just dam hard work

Gorgo
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16 Aug 2009 12:28pm
Anybody know why mass produced SUPs are so much heavier?

There's no obvious reason why that should be the case. Their manufacturing facilities would have to be excellent compared to small operators and presumably Thai hands should be just as capable as anybody else. (Greg Webber says the guys in the Cobra factory improved his designs.)

daletor
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16 Aug 2009 12:42pm
Hey Dean
If you build your boards 6 foot longer and add 2 more bottles of water you will be getting close to an Hawaiin board.
goatman
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16 Aug 2009 12:45pm
Gorgo said...

Anybody know why mass produced SUPs are so much heavier?



My guess is they over build em. Don't they use a higher density closed cell foam for the outer shell of the 'blank'. The paint on mine seems to be really thick as well. I reckon there would be a kilo of paint and primer on it.

Is the glassing done the same as a custom? Aren't they made in a mould?

Brooko
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16 Aug 2009 10:47am
theDoctor said...

a bottle of cheap booze normally works for the missus

i told her about your idea, and said 'loose the god dam weight'

now i have to find somewhere else to sleep

so maybe i thinks you don't know what you're talking about...

besides

that board looks like a giant lizards vagina


Haha thats hilarous
OG SUP
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16 Aug 2009 12:57pm
I was told that the foam used in the production sups is cheaper quality and heavier in weight. There is also additional filler used more weight and as has been stated thicker layers of paint.

The differnce in weight in the Surf Shapes and Snow Boards compared to the production boards appears to be about 30%.

I have noticed the Surfshapes do seem to ding a little easier, I have seen Dean cane the Snow Boards day after day with little wear and tear.

I am looking forward to seeing the DCs on Wednesday to see how they compare.

Phill

hilly
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16 Aug 2009 11:59am
Look at the weights advertised on JP & Starboard sailboards... 6kg +/- 6%
Look at the price too - 3k give or take v's SUP approx 1700

LCD I appreciate your efforts I am sure you like your boards and they work for you. Looking at your layup I would be concerned about putting one under the lip of a top to bottom solid wave. I might be wrong.

I do not think I am getting ripped off. I pay for the intellectual property of the shaper, as the boards I ride rip. As stated before weight on a larger wave is good. My 9 6 felt light for its size.

Great you do it for free. The surfboards I used to shape did not go as well as bought boards and there is no resale. I get paid $370 for a 6 hour day at work. To complete a board including materials below 1700 + including my labour cost is impossible. There is way more than 12 hours in it for a gumby like me.

The resale of my home made boards was 0, my commercial boards hold their value well.

Horses for courses, love your posts; but I am not duped I make a commercial decision about my time and 1700 for the high quality board I get is a bargain I reckon. Yeh they could be lighter but then they snap like surfboards or sailboards which I have lots of experience doing.


mybrosweeper
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16 Aug 2009 6:00pm
Brooko said...

theDoctor said...

a bottle of cheap booze normally works for the missus

i told her about your idea, and said 'loose the god dam weight'

now i have to find somewhere else to sleep

so maybe i thinks you don't know what you're talking about...

besides

that board looks like a giant lizards vagina


Haha thats hilarous
Here here,friggin funny as!!!!
Robbo
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16 Aug 2009 8:31pm
hilly said...

Look at the weights advertised on JP & Starboard sailboards... 6kg +/- 6%
Look at the price too - 3k give or take v's SUP approx 1700

LCD I appreciate your efforts I am sure you like your boards and they work for you. Looking at your layup I would be concerned about putting one under the lip of a top to bottom solid wave. I might be wrong.

I do not think I am getting ripped off. I pay for the intellectual property of the shaper, as the boards I ride rip. As stated before weight on a larger wave is good. My 9 6 felt light for its size.

Great you do it for free. The surfboards I used to shape did not go as well as bought boards and there is no resale. I get paid $370 for a 6 hour day at work. To complete a board including materials below 1700 + including my labour cost is impossible. There is way more than 12 hours in it for a gumby like me.

The resale of my home made boards was 0, my commercial boards hold their value well.

Horses for courses, love your posts; but I am not duped I make a commercial decision about my time and 1700 for the high quality board I get is a bargain I reckon. Yeh they could be lighter but then they snap like surfboards or sailboards which I have lots of experience doing.

Hilly Mate,
What I am saying is that there is far beter construction available to be used in SUB's that would greatly enhance your pleasure of the sport.
For examlpe, lifting a board with two fingers rather than lugging a log to the waters edge!
A single PVC sandwitch will not cost $100 more
How many 3k sailboards have you broken or seen broken riding waves? If you have broken a sailboard riding a wave...that wave could have broken any board regardless of construction. Sailboards are the strongest/lightest boards.
In normal use a sailboard has far more load/stress acting on it than a SUB, & yet they can make them weighing 6kg or so.
A SUB being generaly thicker, hence higher "I beam" strength, has less likely hood of creasing, so can be engineered lighter than sailboards. Also no need for their localised strengthened areas under feet & mast, the hardened bottom to handle high speed chop impact, not to mention flat landings from forwards/backs etc

I would think most riders of current production boards are very happy with what they have, mainly because know no better.....they have not had a light board.
Sooner or later in this world of finding a new markets, a manufacturer will realise they can sell light strong boards........I would pay $$'s more for a tough board I can lift with two fingers, rather than two strong arms & strong back!

PS, This post is not about what I make...it's about what you guys are missing out on that can be made in production boards. (You tell me why the aren't being made)
Once again..... its all about fun level that can be had
log man
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16 Aug 2009 8:59pm
Hey LSD, just a couple of questions about the yellow board. I know you use lite grade eps but what thickness board do you start with? And the width of that board , I remember it being about 30" wide, what about the length of your boards to their width . So what I'm asking is could you see a 6'10 x 36 wide board ? or do you think there's a limit to the width in terms of how it will surf?
Bnaccas
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16 Aug 2009 9:06pm
I cut my old board in half and it looked to have a full Divinycell wrap. Rather thick as well, maybe about 4mm.
The EPS foam used did look very cheap.

laceys lane
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16 Aug 2009 9:13pm
LSD said...

FOR A START LOOSE THE GOD DAM WEIGHT! (not off ur ass stupid....the board)
Those who ride expensive mass produced boards are quite simply being duped.
Can someone show me a manufacturer that brags about their board weights?

Look at the weights advertised on JP & Starboard sailboards... 6kg +/- 6% or so for a board similar volume to my current board.....but far stronger....(and they still cost $150 to make)
Major manufactures will continue to make boards cheaply, & milk what they can out of it till market pressure demands a lighter, more performance orientated product.
If you dont think it makes any difference....well try this IF you have a 6kg board
How to set up for the "Pro board feel" !!!





i was told by a little birdie what these pop out boards cost to make- demand better for your money
DavidJohn
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16 Aug 2009 9:32pm
I agree LSD.

My 8'10" Cappello slalom board that I got of JP weighs about 5kg with straps and fin.. (and Jason used to do forwards on it.. ).. Even now it's still in perfect nic..

If anyone is at SHQ kiosk check out the JP board hanging from the roof.. It shows all the hi tech construction.. It's absolutely amazing.

DJ
hilly
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16 Aug 2009 8:05pm
Flex would be poor with a windsurfer construction I think, complex issue. With a bit of luck someone will come up with a cheap light board soon. Still pretty happy with mine until then they go good.
Bnaccas
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16 Aug 2009 10:26pm
hilly said...

Flex would be poor with a windsurfer construction I think, complex issue.


This is hard to imagine considering most production SUP don't use stringers. Does anyone know if
Naish use stringers? Out of all the SUP brands I would expect them to use 'em.
STNDUP
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16 Aug 2009 10:35pm
....when i had the crease in mine fixed earlier in the year, I was told that the board didnt have a stringer in it.- Ronnie
LSD
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16 Aug 2009 11:28pm
log man said...

Hey LSD, just a couple of questions about the yellow board. I know you use lite grade eps but what thickness board do you start with? And the width of that board , I remember it being about 30" wide, what about the length of your boards to their width . So what I'm asking is could you see a 6'10 x 36 wide board ? or do you think there's a limit to the width in terms of how it will surf?


The sheet thickness is 100mm, the width is 30 1/2"....I think.
Length is 8' 2", the reason for this is that it's the max I can get out of a standard metric sheet with out joining. The first short board was 7' 10" from imperial sheet 8x4, & for me it was too short & too fat in the tail.
To answer your question about 6' 10" x 36"..... I dont think it would be usable as a fun board for the masses. It could be surfed, but what a dog it would be to paddle!
I have no desire to go smaller, what I have now is it for me......I think.
From time to time I will go back to a past favorite board (& new production stuff)just to compare & see that I am not just adapting to a new board, I am still amazed at the difference, thats why I am on about this light weight stuff, my shape is nothing ground breaking, its the light weight that makes them so much fun & fast.
Could you imagine trying to paddle this in a lineup!!


You may laugh but the Gong crew are very advanced
OG SUP
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16 Aug 2009 11:48pm
He looks like he is 4 ft tall standing next to that board!

The board looks like a large deflated football.

But I have seen some of the gong videos and they rip.

Phill
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