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wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
11 May 2009 6:16pm
I am about to purchase my first SUP and i am getting mixed opinion on best size and shape of board to buy.I am mainly interested in riding waves but would still like to paddle when no swell for exercise.I am thinking 10 to 11,6 foot LAIRD either a soft top or a expoxy.Most people i speak to wish they had brought smaller boards.
I would appreciate any advice to help making the right choice.I wave sail and surf at present so was hoping to get away with smaller board.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
11 May 2009 9:00pm
How tall and heavy are you wheels?

DJ
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
11 May 2009 7:06pm
short sups are crap for flatwater paddling - limited glide,,, you may as well be paddling ur waveboard...

saying this, from my personal experience;;;; the flatwater paddling novelty wears off v quickly when waves are on tap,,,

if your doing most of your suppin in perth, i wouldn't go smaller than 10.

Was out with greeny and gavo? 2 day on 10FT+ sups...... it was EMBARASSING how many waves we were taking from the longboard crew.
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
11 May 2009 7:30pm
How tall and heavy are you wheels?

DJ

I am 5'8" and 87kg,guy in shop thinks Laird board which is only 27' wide may not be stable enough,i suppose the above hieght and wieght gave you a mental image of a seal.I am trying to avoid buying to big and having to sell and re buy in six months.
I would appreciate your thoughts DJ
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
11 May 2009 7:33pm
tHANKS WINDY MILLAR,How much does the guy with the smallest SUP in your group wieght and how long and wide is his board
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
WA, 8133 posts
11 May 2009 7:34pm
wheels said...

I am about to purchase my first SUP and i am getting mixed opinion on best size and shape of board to buy.I am mainly interested in riding waves but would still like to paddle when no swell for exercise.I am thinking 10 to 11,6 foot LAIRD either a soft top or a expoxy.Most people i speak to wish they had brought smaller boards.
I would appreciate any advice to help making the right choice.I wave sail and surf at present so was hoping to get away with smaller board.


I made the mistake of getting a first sup too big for what I wanted to do which is ride waves. I got an 11 6 Naish, all that was around at the time. I am 105kg. I now have a PSH 9 6 wide Ripper sh1t flat water paddle but fantastic in the waves.

If you want both get 2 boards one for waves and one for paddling.

Some claim to do both but really are jack of all trades and master of none.

Flat water paddling (which really is wave riding in Perth lol) on a 9 6 ripper gets me really fit, but I tend to put hinges in paddles.

If I started again I would get a PSH 10 6 wide AA or a 10 5 starboard due to their surfing ability and width.
Lazarus
Lazarus
160 posts
160 posts
11 May 2009 7:41pm

If I started again I would get a PSH 10 6 wide AA or a 10 5 starboard due to their surfing ability and width.


how wide are these?
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
11 May 2009 9:44pm
wheels said...

How tall and heavy are you wheels?

DJ

I am 5'8" and 87kg,guy in shop thinks Laird board which is only 27' wide may not be stable enough,i suppose the above hieght and wieght gave you a mental image of a seal.I am trying to avoid buying to big and having to sell and re buy in six months.
I would appreciate your thoughts DJ


27 inch isn't going to give you much joy
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
11 May 2009 9:45pm
Lazarus said...


If I started again I would get a PSH 10 6 wide AA or a 10 5 starboard due to their surfing ability and width.


how wide are these?


Both very close to 30" wide I think.

DJ

DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
11 May 2009 9:53pm
I would suggest something like...

10'6" PSH

10'10" Walden

11' new NSP

11'2" Starboard ..also maybe the new 10'5"

11'4" Naish

I'm sure there's more boards out there about this size but I wouldn't suggest anything smaller than these.

It's not about smaller being better or the smaller you can paddle the better you are. (imo)

I'm also not a big fan of getting something that's a challenge and hoping to grow into it... It's all about fun.. not frustration..

DJ
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
WA, 8133 posts
11 May 2009 7:59pm
Lazarus said...


If I started again I would get a PSH 10 6 wide AA or a 10 5 starboard due to their surfing ability and width.


how wide are these?


DJ is on it
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
11 May 2009 10:31pm
Hi Wheels,

I am 105kg and 6ft, the 10'6 wide AA is an awesome board imho!

With a 9inch centre fin to start with its a super table board, as you get your training wheels off drop down to a thruster set up and you will be killing it!

Depends a bit on how much sufing you have done before I guess.

I have owned a laird and the smaller ones at 27 will haunt you with death wobbles. They were designed to be ridden in very powerfull Hawaiian waves and dont have very good primary stability. However for their time were quite hitech compared to the bongas and kalamas. The laird shapes are however very outdated these days!

Best regards

Phill



mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
11 May 2009 8:35pm
wheels said...

thinks Laird board which is only 27' wide may not be stable enough


Agree with Lacey. Don't buy 27" wide for your first sup, unless you're prepared to spend a considerable amount of time falling off. The 10'5" rounded pin will be a little less stable than a 11' with a wider tail, but at 30" wide it's very stable & from most reports performs well in the surf (I'm 73kgs & own the 9'8", same width, very stable).
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
11 May 2009 8:49pm
DJ,Thanks i think i will give the star board a try,i have always loved there wave sailing boards except if they got any cracks even microscopic they would suck in the water and be useless do you know if new SUP are similar construction or have they improved from sailboard construction of recent years.
PS DO YOU NOW MODEL NAME
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
11 May 2009 8:53pm
WINDY MILLER said...

short sups are crap for flatwater paddling - limited glide,,, you may as well be paddling ur waveboard...

saying this, from my personal experience;;;; the flatwater paddling novelty wears off v quickly when waves are on tap,,,

if your doing most of your suppin in perth, i wouldn't go smaller than 10.

Was out with greeny and gavo? 2 day on 10FT+ sups...... it was EMBARASSING how many waves we were taking from the longboard crew.


I smell wavehog (greeny)
Drewsta.
Drewsta.
QLD
185 posts
QLD, 185 posts
11 May 2009 10:53pm
Mate, the star board 10'5 is called "Drive". Never seen one in the flesh but talk on this forum says they are the goods.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
11 May 2009 11:36pm
just might add,myself, i wouldn't buy any board at any size unless it is at least 28.5 wide.although the psh 9 3 ripper is tempting and i think that is 28.25

wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
11 May 2009 11:34pm
I ve been at shops all day and on the net all night trying to make a decision and i have narrowed it down to the Starboard drive 10'5 or starboard 11'2 both 30" wide both $1600 new.

Should i get alloy paddle to start with or go straight to the carbon and whats the best trick to avoid bashing the rails with the paddle.

Thank you to every one for advice as i came close to buying a 27" Laird today and now know it would have been a big mistake.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
12 May 2009 7:32am
wheels said...

I ve been at shops all day and on the net all night trying to make a decision and i have narrowed it down to the Starboard drive 10'5 or starboard 11'2 both 30" wide both $1600 new.

Should i get alloy paddle to start with or go straight to the carbon and whats the best trick to avoid bashing the rails with the paddle.

Thank you to every one for advice as i came close to buying a 27" Laird today and now know it would have been a big mistake.


I think it's better to get a cheaper board and an expensive paddle rather than an expensive board and a cheap paddle.. The difference in paddles is huge.

I've also found that there is far less rail bashing with these super light weight paddles because it's often the weight of the paddle that gives you less control over it.

If it was me I'd defiantly go for the bigger 11'2" Ultimate Blend even though the wave performance might not be quite as good.. You could do a down-winder on it and anything shorter would not work as well.. It will be easier to learn on and should have much better glide in flat water.

The Blend has been around for a while.. You may even pick up a second hand or demo model cheaper.

As far as paddles go I recommend either the Kialoa Shaka Pu'u or Methane.. or the Werner Spanker or Nitro.. They're not cheap but well worth it imo.

DJ

OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
12 May 2009 7:58am
Agrees with DJ on the paddle issue, a good paddle can make an ordinary board surfable.

Would also recommend the Methane or the shaka pu from personal experience!

The big shops with demo boards seem to like to keep the nemo fleet new and or also like to have the latest model in the fleet some sometimes will sell an newish demo board for a significantly reduced price always ask!!!!!!

Dont discount the PSH 11 wide as an option if you can demo one you will fall in love with it as a first board! but it will cost you more $$$$$$$

The other option is to talk to David Boyd at Imperial Surfboards in Melbourne or Rod Hocker at Surfshapes and get a custom sounds like they are very competatively priced!!!!!!!!!!!

Phill
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
QLD, 7303 posts
12 May 2009 8:20am
wheels said...

I ve been at shops all day and on the net all night trying to make a decision and i have narrowed it down to the Starboard drive 10'5 or starboard 11'2 both 30" wide both $1600 new.

Should i get alloy paddle to start with or go straight to the carbon and whats the best trick to avoid bashing the rails with the paddle.

Thank you to every one for advice as i came close to buying a 27" Laird today and now know it would have been a big mistake.



I think the 10-5 x 30 would be the pick.I remember jumping on the 27 wide Laird in my early days , I had full blown sewing machine legs Good point by DJ get the good paddle now it will make learning alot easier. I'm a quick blade fan for paddles but any of the paddles mentioned above are all good and you can't go wrong.

My choice is to go the smaller board is because you improve so fast and for your height and weight 10-5 x 30 is plenty to learn on , it's also lighter, easier to carry and store than a the 11-2.

I understand DJ's point (go bigger) but every person on this site has either sold there first board they learnt on or bought another shorter one. I haven't been at it a year yet and I'm on to my 4th board

Good luck and enjoy the ride.

Rob
worrier
worrier
WA
726 posts
WA, 726 posts
12 May 2009 8:00am
I thought you might throw something in there Brooko.
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Radman
Radman
WA
629 posts
WA, 629 posts
12 May 2009 11:25am
10 '0 x28' jimmy lewis has the best of both worlds rips on the waves and is still a nice paddle in the flat. im 5' 10' 82 kg
wheels
wheels
WA
204 posts
WA, 204 posts
14 May 2009 11:10pm
Have ordered a 10'5 Drive and have a 11'2 star board demo for next three weeks been out last three days .Paddled into the wind at pinnaroo 15min then down wind it made everything from my feet arches to my hips quiver on the first day but better by day three.Tryed to ride small wave at mullaloo today and thrown straight off.Just gunna go every day till i get it.cant wait to learn how to paddle more than a couple of time on one side with out going in circles.
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