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Th0m0
Th0m0
QLD
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11 Nov 2009 9:38am
I recently aquired a Coreban Rockett 10'6 x 30". I took it out this morning in some punchy beachbreaks and every time I caught a wave, the fin would make quite a loud humming noise. The fin is a sort of long thin hatchet shape and I have it set slightly forward of centre in the box. This is a photo of it.



Does anybody know what is causing the fin to hum and is it a bad thing and how could I stop it?

Cheers

Th0m0
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
11 Nov 2009 10:50am
Hey Thomo,

I have the same fin in my 12ft Mickey Munoz Gun and have never noticed it hum even racing down the face of OH+ waves.

Is it loose in the box at all? maybe shimming it really tight might help.

The version of the fin I have is carbon composite and very stiff, it could just be a different construction with more flex that is causing the problem.

I have had other fins that hum but it has not damaged the box or had other bad effects that I am aware of.

Regards

Phill

Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
11 Nov 2009 12:45pm
its the trailing edge shape that is doing it.
either its too sharp or too blunt.

i suggest sanding the trailing edge untill its its almost 1mm thick (maybe more) square to the fin. once this is done, on one side only of the trailing edge shape a slight 45deg bevel by sanding the TE a few times. the bevel must not be the entire thickness of the TE though.

basically the fin is humming coz of the way its shedding vortices. once it starts humming the drag generated is huge and basically applies a hand brake. If you cant fix it by some sanding scrap the fin.
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
11 Nov 2009 12:42pm
Most likely the trailing edge is too thick - I have seen fins of all sizes come out of production with this problem but it is not common.. As advised - check that fin is secure in the box firstly and then if it is a new board do not sand the fin - take the fin back to where you bought it from and have it replaced. I know Coreban are red hot when it comes to customer satisfaction and if there is a problem with this one fin then I am confident they will get it sorted for you.
dtm
dtm
NSW
1610 posts
dtm dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
11 Nov 2009 5:51pm
sand the back edge of the fin, thin it down sounds like it too thick back there ,thats the main reason for fins to hummmmmmm
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
NSW
1016 posts
NSW, 1016 posts
11 Nov 2009 6:20pm
yep,trailing edge,
Robbbbbboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
11 Nov 2009 4:08pm
Agree with Bertie: Trailing edge is too rounded.

Either sand it square or put a chamfer on it.

Th0m0
Th0m0
QLD
529 posts
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11 Nov 2009 7:57pm
Thanks for the replies, tips and info. I took the fin out, turned it over a couple of times, polished it up and put it back in nice and tight. The trailing edge is actually quite thin/sharp especially compared to the leading edge, whch is quite thick. The fin is a carbon jobbie so I don't want to sand it. If it keeps humming I will replace it.
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
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11 Nov 2009 6:18pm
Nope, IMHO if that is possible the base of the fin is flexing which gives you the hummer thingy

Where's bloody Lacey when you need him, oh he's on the stick sk8er thingy going past my house [}:)]
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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11 Nov 2009 8:29pm
62mac said...

Nope, IMHO if that is possible the base of the fin is flexing which gives you the hummer thingy

Where's bloody Lacey when you need him, oh he's on the stick sk8er thingy going past my house [}:)]


hummings ok,i would be worried if it started singing mac the only big stick i need is the one that's good at whacking you over the head with
62mac
62mac
WA
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11 Nov 2009 6:41pm
lacey said...

62mac said...

Nope, IMHO if that is possible the base of the fin is flexing which gives you the hummer thingy

Where's bloody Lacey when you need him, oh he's on the stick sk8er thingy going past my house [}:)]


hummings ok,i would be worried if it started singing mac the only big stick i need is the one that's good at whacking you over the head with


I love the old hate love relationship you do know I through a few guy's over the VW bug that sat in the Playroom
No but with all your testing on boards and products, you would be the guy I would value now hit me with that big stick
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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11 Nov 2009 8:56pm
62mac said...

lacey said...

62mac said...

Nope, IMHO if that is possible the base of the fin is flexing which gives you the hummer thingy

Where's bloody Lacey when you need him, oh he's on the stick sk8er thingy going past my house [}:)]


hummings ok,i would be worried if it started singing mac the only big stick i need is the one that's good at whacking you over the head with


I love the old hate love relationship you do know I through a few guy's over the VW bug that sat in the Playroom
No but with all your testing on boards and products, you would be the guy I would value now hit me with that big stick



just playing it up
ps- you will not see me with big stick and skatie a skateboard- yes
Skeg
Skeg
SA
35 posts
SA, 35 posts
11 Nov 2009 10:12pm
AHHHHH the old humming caper! It seems some are on the right tack. In my experience this problem was always caused by the back of the fin being too blunt or thick. Easily fixed! Sand it or return it.
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
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12 Nov 2009 2:36am
62mac said...

Nope, IMHO if that is possible the base of the fin is flexing which gives you the hummer thingy


wrong its the vortex shedding exciting the fin at its natural frequency which then resonates through the board. has nothing to do with flex of the base, and everything to do with a rubbish trailing edge.

You can sand the carbon TE easily without making it look crap. Infact nobody will ever know you modded it.

Go read frank bethwaites high performance sailing and read into the foils chapter. its all in there.
Twimby
Twimby
WA
483 posts
WA, 483 posts
12 Nov 2009 2:18pm
Hey Thomo

Coreban's are hitting WA this week and my brother is keen on the 10.6
Besides the hummer, how does the rest of the board go
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
WA, 8133 posts
12 Nov 2009 2:23pm
Twimby said...

Hey Thomo

Coreban's are hitting WA this week and my brother is keen on the 10.6
Besides the hummer, how does the rest of the board go


Heard the 9 6 was very good Might be stronger than you previous board.
Twimby
Twimby
WA
483 posts
WA, 483 posts
12 Nov 2009 2:30pm
Heard the 9 6 was very good Might be stronger than you previous board.


Yea with the extra litres the 9.6 could be a better onshore board. I am down Rocko on Monday for work so may go have a look of they are in
May in-CREASE my water time over the banana
Are you up this weekend. Half a chance Sunday morn
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
WA, 8133 posts
12 Nov 2009 2:48pm
Twimby said...

Heard the 9 6 was very good Might be stronger than you previous board.


Yea with the extra litres the 9.6 could be a better onshore board. I am down Rocko on Monday for work so may go have a look of they are in
May in-CREASE my water time over the banana
Are you up this weekend. Half a chance Sunday morn


Will be there but loaded with kids Jen in Bali so doubtful might sneak one in on the beachies
Th0m0
Th0m0
QLD
529 posts
QLD, 529 posts
13 Nov 2009 9:33am
Twimby said...

Hey Thomo

Coreban's are hitting WA this week and my brother is keen on the 10.6
Besides the hummer, how does the rest of the board go


I've only had 4 sessions on it and am a bit reluctant to draw conclusions with such limited experience on it. But so far I am very impressed with it. I am 86kg and bought this as a board for really crappy, windy or fat days. I tested in those conditions on the weekend and was very happy with it. It is super stable at my weight and paddles very nicely. Glides into waves easily and turns really well on the wave. It has a v through the bottom running almost the full lenghth of the board which makes it go rail to rail really well but can also make it a bit wobbey when you paddle for a wave in the surfing stance. It is a little slow to swing around for a wave, I think due to the wide tail and long fin, but nothing that can't be easily adjusted to. The real surprise for me was when I took it out in some punchy beach breaks. This day all the guys that normally ride sups took their short boards out and there were barrels aplenty. I nearly didn't paddle out because I thought I would get smashed on such a big board. But I bit the bullet and was glad I did. I didn't get any barrels but the board performed really well in conditions I didn't think it was suited to. So, bearing in mind my limited time on the board, I would say it's very versitile. A great beginner board for the lighter person or a good capable allrounder for the intermediate medium to heavy weights.
CMC
CMC
QLD
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CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
13 Nov 2009 1:19pm
I used to work for a fin company and you get this from time to time. The boys are exactly right, it's the trailing edge. It sounds scary but it will take about 30 seconds to fix this fin. You dont even need sandpaper. Any sharp blade works fine, scissors, knife, razor etc. Just hold the angle and run it in even strokes top to bottom removing some of the clear coat off trailing edge.

Carbon fins are notorious for humming. The manufacturer gets a bit carried away with the clear coat to make them look shiney. Leaves a blob and you got yourself a hummer.

The blade is clean, only affects a small area and keeps it very even. Sandpaper is less accurate.
Th0m0
Th0m0
QLD
529 posts
QLD, 529 posts
13 Nov 2009 2:13pm
CMC said...

I used to work for a fin company and you get this from time to time. The boys are exactly right, it's the trailing edge. It sounds scary but it will take about 30 seconds to fix this fin. You dont even need sandpaper. Any sharp blade works fine, scissors, knife, razor etc. Just hold the angle and run it in even strokes top to bottom removing some of the clear coat off trailing edge.

Carbon fins are notorious for humming. The manufacturer gets a bit carried away with the clear coat to make them look shiney. Leaves a blob and you got yourself a hummer.

The blade is clean, only affects a small area and keeps it very even. Sandpaper is less accurate.


Cheers, I like that idea better than the sandpaper.
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