Instead of a Shaft Flex, why not a smaller paddle?

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magillamelb
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10 Jan 2015 10:20pm
There's all sorts of talk about having flex in the shaft of your paddle and it apprears the primary reason is that it is easier on your shoulders. Why not have a stiff shaft so you don't lose power/efficiency in the paddle stroke and just use a smaller blade to take care of your shoulders?

What are the thoughts of you seabreezers?

DavidJohn
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10 Jan 2015 10:44pm
That's what I use.. Stiff shaft and small blade.
Hawaiiheke
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11 Jan 2015 3:13am
That's a question I've had in the back of my mind too. Why convert energy into bending a piece of carbon instead of investing it all into forward propulsion?
Brenno
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11 Jan 2015 7:48am
When I first started SUP, I had constant shoulder pain from manual labour. I used a paddle with flexible shaft until I built up the muscles around the joints, and now I'm virtually pain free. If you're not sure how flexible your paddle shaft really is, lend it to a mate and stand back and watch. I was quite surprised. I have since switched to a paddle with a thicker, stiffer shaft and slightly larger blade. Definitely catching more waves by transferring more power to the water. Kept the original for those lazy days with the kids.
magillamelb
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11 Jan 2015 10:23am
Brenno, the shaft I'm using for my home built paddles is really stiff (over built actually), but you feel how direct the drive part of the paddle stroke is. I've not had shoulder problems at all from the stiffer shaft, but know my first paddle blade I built felt 'bigger' than what it is and has been in for a couple of nip & tucks since. In my other sporting backgrounds, you do everything to eliminate losses of power and do everything to make the 'drivetrain' as efficient as possible. I don't see SUP as any different.

DJ, thats very reassuring you're on a similar path...
laceys lane
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11 Jan 2015 9:53am
my paddle of choice is the fanatic. sorry about that to those that don't agree.

the shaft has flex but more importantly awesome rebound.



that's the cream. easy on your joints in the extended position then the rebound flex catches up when your joints are in a more compact stronger position.


so you actually get some snap out of your stroke before exiting.


you look at snow skis. they have endless flex patterns but the better skis have flex with strong rebound qualities.


surfboard producers are now investing a lot of time into flex patterns.


I notice a lot of paddlers are writing flex off but I don't believe they have tried a good flex paddle yet.

I reckon its the future as well as more ergonomics


Brenno
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11 Jan 2015 10:05am
laceys lane said..
my paddle of choice is the fanatic. sorry about that to those that don't agree.
the shaft has flex but more importantly awesome rebound.
that's the cream. easy on your joints in the extended position then the rebound flex catches up when your joints are in a more compact stronger position.
so you actually get some snap out of your stroke before exiting.
you look at snow skis. they have endless flex patterns but the better skis have flex with strong rebound qualities.
surfboard producers are now investing a lot of time into flex patterns.
I notice a lot of paddlers are writing flex off but I don't believe they have tried a good flex paddle yet.
I reckon its the future as well as more ergonomics



Not writing off here laceys lane, just different strokes for different folks. My new paddle is stiffer, not completely rigid, Just feels like I'm getting more out of the effort I'm putting in.
LordKuz
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11 Jan 2015 11:19am
laceys lane said..
my paddle of choice is the fanatic. sorry about that to those that don't agree.

the shaft has flex but more importantly awesome rebound.



that's the cream. easy on your joints in the extended position then the rebound flex catches up when your joints are in a more compact stronger position.


so you actually get some snap out of your stroke before exiting.


you look at snow skis. they have endless flex patterns but the better skis have flex with strong rebound qualities.


surfboard producers are now investing a lot of time into flex patterns.


I notice a lot of paddlers are writing flex off but I don't believe they have tried a good flex paddle yet.

I reckon its the future as well as more ergonomics




I totally agree... having a few full carbon (inflexible) paddles and carbon mix shafts. I suffer no shoulder problems with either - but I find that in unstable (surfing) conditions, where the paddle is acting as a "third leg" so to speak - a flexible shaft is certainly preferred. Can I ask which Fanatic paddle you use? I like the Carbon 40 a lot... albeit heavy and a rather thick shaft.
surfgrub
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11 Jan 2015 1:13pm
LordKuz said..

laceys lane said..
my paddle of choice is the fanatic. sorry about that to those that don't agree.

the shaft has flex but more importantly awesome rebound.



that's the cream. easy on your joints in the extended position then the rebound flex catches up when your joints are in a more compact stronger position.


so you actually get some snap out of your stroke before exiting.


you look at snow skis. they have endless flex patterns but the better skis have flex with strong rebound qualities.


surfboard producers are now investing a lot of time into flex patterns.


I notice a lot of paddlers are writing flex off but I don't believe they have tried a good flex paddle yet.

I reckon its the future as well as more ergonomics





I totally agree... having a few full carbon (inflexible) paddles and carbon mix shafts. I suffer no shoulder problems with either - but I find that in unstable (surfing) conditions, where the paddle is acting as a "third leg" so to speak - a flexible shaft is certainly preferred. Can I ask which Fanatic paddle you use? I like the Carbon 40 a lot... albeit heavy and a rather thick shaft.


Lacey & Cuz, you've both described my sentiments, exactly..... - don't know about the Fanatic paddle though, just gone to Ke Nalu & have vowed to donate my
'Blades to Davey Jones' locker....
magillamelb
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11 Jan 2015 3:40pm
I do have a couple of Fanatic paddles as well, a full carbon and a Carbon/Innegra
laceys lane
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11 Jan 2015 4:53pm
magillamelb said...
I do have a couple of Fanatic paddles as well, a full carbon and a Carbon/Innegra


I use the carbon . For me the right mix of power and flex. A very popular paddle amongst the better paddlers up here. Particularly the lastest model.however a very well know shaper uses the innegra. If I had to paddle for 2 hrs plus I would use the innerga
colas
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11 Jan 2015 5:00pm
I have had ultra-rigid paddles. Got pains very quickly.

I had quite rigid paddle shafts, but now I use them with a little bit of flex (rounded shaft instead of oval). Since we don't have waves everyday here, I tend to milk out the most of every session, and 5 hours sessions are common. With a little bit of flex in the shaft you wont feel destroyed afterwards.

Since I use boards with no glide (short, e.g 6'8") for my 100kg, I need a big blade however, as I cannot capitalize on many quick strokes, I need to use few powerful well timed ones. Using a small blade makes me fell like stirring a cup of tea... but I could use one on "longboard" shapes.
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