Is my right hand too strong?

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Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
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24 Jul 2009 10:28am
I have noticed that when I am paddling the number of strokes on my right side is less that my left side. I have tested this in windless/currentless conditions to eliminate any external factors.

Therefore it must come down to my technique! However I have watched a video of myself paddling and my technique looks exactly the same for both sides.

So I thought it must be that I am right handed and therefore my stronger arm (insert clever joke here) is causing the uneven stroke rate necessary to keep the board gliding straight.

Has anyone else noticed this or have any techniques to correct it? I thought maybe on my right side paddle my stronger arm (my right arm) is doing more of the work than when I switch on the left side?

Would appreciate anyone thoughts or clever comments regarding my super strong right hand?
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
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24 Jul 2009 10:37am
This guy has the same problem I do .



kiakaha
kiakaha
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24 Jul 2009 12:52pm
Zimbo Reagan said...

This guy has the same problem I do .






OMG
boarder paul
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24 Jul 2009 10:56am
I have a problem like it but not in my arm
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
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24 Jul 2009 11:07am
Forget you Kiwis dont have that problem you have little sheep in high heels

boarder paul
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24 Jul 2009 11:12am
Our sheep are part of the family Even the ugly ones get a cuddle.



Pauloz
Pauloz
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24 Jul 2009 4:20pm
Is this you :)




JB Mel
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24 Jul 2009 5:42pm
Hey Zimbo,

Getting this thread back onto 'clean' lines, I used to have exactly the same thing happen. Always seemed to paddle more strokes on the left than the right to keep a straight line (even in no wind or current). Funnily as time has passed (and loads more kms of paddling) the paddle strokes have evened out.

I think you were right in saying that we are just naturally stronger on one side than the other when we first start SUP and we gradually build up to become more even over time??? Not sure if the same would happen for those who predominantly surf their SUP though.

Mel
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
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24 Jul 2009 3:53pm
JB Mel said...

Hey Zimbo,

Getting this thread back onto 'clean' lines, I used to have exactly the same thing happen. Always seemed to paddle more strokes on the left than the right to keep a straight line (even in no wind or current). Funnily as time has passed (and loads more kms of paddling) the paddle strokes have evened out.

I think you were right in saying that we are just naturally stronger on one side than the other when we first start SUP and we gradually build up to become more even over time??? Not sure if the same would happen for those who predominantly surf their SUP though.

Mel


Thanks JB Mel.

Makes sense I better get out there and put some more miles under my belt.



husq2100
husq2100
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24 Jul 2009 10:41pm
just remember you dont paddle only with your arm or hand.....you use your whole body..

if you have more pressure on one foot you can change the course of the board...if your core and lats are more developed on one side you will have more power through that side.....also flexibility will pay a part the more flexible you are through one side, it will alow better technique through the stoke....are you paddling the same distance forward and off the board both sides?

also you will naturaly be more cordinated on one side....which will be your dominate side....this will be your more powerful side to start with but as you paddle more as long as you dont favor one side youll develop symmetry.

Serg
LSD
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24 Jul 2009 10:58pm
If you surf, your stance being goofy or natural may have a bearing on a predominant stroke, so you become stronger on one side.
Being a natural I tend to use my right side most, for the power/sprint stroke when catching waves, as it is the most comfortable & powerful because of the foot orientation.
Its hard to put in on the left side with your left foot well forward in a surf stance.
laceys lane
laceys lane
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24 Jul 2009 11:55pm
LSD said...

If you surf, your stance being goofy or natural may have a bearing on a predominant stroke, so you become stronger on one side.
Being a natural I tend to use my right side most, for the power/sprint stroke when catching waves, as it is the most comfortable & powerful because of the foot orientation.
Its hard to put in on the left side with your left foot well forward in a surf stance.


i second that. i was going to say the same thing until i saw lsd's quote
Keahi
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25 Jul 2009 9:25am
I find that sometimes you take more of an "out to in" stroke on one side. By that I mean starting with the paddle further away from the board and and bringing it closer towards the board while taking the stroke.

It really affects how straight you can paddle and I found I can paddle for as long as I like on one side by taking strokes like this.

This might you're doing and that's why you get more strokes on one side.

I've also found the way you lean the board sometimes comes into play too.

My two cents
Keahi
Zimbo Reagan
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WA
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30 Jul 2009 10:09am
Went out for a long paddle over the weekend and think i have spotted a key difference.

Left side note
I noticed my left side stroke was more fluid and even though i actually took more stroke on that side it was not becasue i was weaker but that i used both my top hand and bottom hand better together (ie my catch and power phase of my stroke worked better together.

Right side note
if you recall i thought my right side was stronger, I have have found this is not the case. What , I think happening is that my bottom hand on my right side (right hand) is doing most of the pulling work when I paddle on the right side. My top hand (left hand) is not catching the blade in the water as good as my right hand does on the left side.

So I have reversed my previous conclusion that my right side is stronger. My left side is stronger because both top hand and bottom hand on that side work better together than on my right side which relies on my right hand more for the power of the stroke and therefore it is causing the board to change direction on that side with less strokes.

Who knows I might change my conclusion next time???????????

Are there any paddle DVD/books/experts on paddle technique? I think i need to read up.
Shep
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30 Jul 2009 10:48am
Im goofy foot and even though I usually stand fairly square on when paddling I keep a straighter line when paddling on the left - and therefore have to do more strokes to compensate for drifting when paddling on the right.

What I have noticed is that when paddling on the left i put more weight on my left foot, burying the rail which compensates against the paddling = straight line. Its less natural for me to put weight on my right foot when paddling on the right so the paddling dominates and I drift left. I have to concentrate on burying the right rail.

So its not just about even power, you also need to be aware of your weight on the board and how this affects directional control.

Mind you I paddle a 9'8" - might be totally different on a big board.
boarder paul
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30 Jul 2009 10:53am
This is all a bit normal i thought You will always be stronger and more cordinated on one side, As such more toned etc on one side.

Thats is why you wipe your arse with the same hand every time
DavidJohn
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30 Jul 2009 12:56pm

Who knows I might change my conclusion next time???????????

Are there any paddle DVD/books/experts on paddle technique? I think i need to read up.


I've been looking into all this for ages. and there are so many variables.. like different techniques.. different paddles can change techniques.. different paddle lengths can make a difference.. technique change when paddling fast.. slow.. cruising.. when tired.. all these things.

Some experts contradict each other on technique... It's tricky stuff.. Maybe one day there'll be a standard right way to paddle.

Here's an old post.. www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=34408

DJ

Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
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30 Jul 2009 11:10am
DavidJohn said...


Who knows I might change my conclusion next time???????????

Are there any paddle DVD/books/experts on paddle technique? I think i need to read up.


I've been looking into all this for ages. and there are so many variables.. like different techniques.. different paddles can change techniques.. different paddle lengths can make a difference.. technique change when paddling fast.. slow.. cruising.. when tired.. all these things.

Some experts contradict each other on technique... It's tricky stuff.. Maybe one day there'll be a standard right way to paddle.

DJ




Thanks DJ I have noticed that as well. It is just that when I watch those pro's in the Molokai paddling it look so effortless yet they are flying. But when I watch me, I look like a house wife trying to stir a pot of veges.

cheers for your thoughts
Zimbo Reagan
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WA
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30 Jul 2009 11:11am
boarder paul said...

This is all a bit normal i thought You will always be stronger and more cordinated on one side, As such more toned etc on one side.

Thats is why you wipe your arse with the same hand every time


I actually had this problem last year when I dislocated my right shoulder playing rugby. Had to learn to wipe my ass with the left hand.

Harder than you think.
Zimbo Reagan
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WA
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30 Jul 2009 11:14am
Shep said...

Im goofy foot and even though I usually stand fairly square on when paddling I keep a straighter line when paddling on the left - and therefore have to do more strokes to compensate for drifting when paddling on the right.

What I have noticed is that when paddling on the left i put more weight on my left foot, burying the rail which compensates against the paddling = straight line. Its less natural for me to put weight on my right foot when paddling on the right so the paddling dominates and I drift left. I have to concentrate on burying the right rail.

So its not just about even power, you also need to be aware of your weight on the board and how this affects directional control.

Mind you I paddle a 9'8" - might be totally different on a big board.


Thanks Shep, I have noticed that. Also noticed that my right rail dips in more than the left rail when I am paddling on those sides.

A lot of varibles to play with, which actually makes it more fun. I like changing between different styles stances etc for recover / conditions
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
469 posts
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30 Jul 2009 3:01pm
This 5 part series on paddle techiqnues by Johnny Puakea and Danny Ching is absolute gold.

While it deals with outrigger canoes paddling I think the concepts are transferable to stand up .

I found it really useful.

outriggercanoe.blogspot.com/search?q=ching
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