Looking for large paddle for surf

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Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
8 Jan 2012 3:47am
Any reccommendations for a larger paddle for surfing ?
Think I need a bit more blade.
Casso
Casso
NSW
3785 posts
NSW, 3785 posts
8 Jan 2012 9:56am
You'll find you don't really need a very big blade for surfing. The quick little stokes you need to get on a wave are easier to do with a small blade and less surface area is more agile when moving it around while surfing.

For a slightly bigger bloke like yourself, Scotty - I'd try the Kialoa Shaka Pu'u.

I find the T-bar handle of the Kialoa's great for surfing because they are more responsive/accurate for minor blade angle changes.
hilly
hilly
WA
8132 posts
WA, 8132 posts
8 Jan 2012 7:01am
Quickblade Slim Jim does the job nicely for my 105kg. It is 100 sq inches same as Shaka. The Kanaha is nice at the same size for surf.

I prefer the round shaft, dihedral to stop flutter and ergonomic handle.

Demo as many as you can. I find the flat blades flutter and stiffer shafts hurt shoulders so try before you buy.
dtm
dtm
NSW
1610 posts
dtm dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
8 Jan 2012 10:02am
yeah what casso said
rahams
rahams
NSW
544 posts
NSW, 544 posts
8 Jan 2012 10:04am
try the naish 9 inch
big blade but its great in the surf
JonathanC
JonathanC
VIC
1024 posts
VIC, 1024 posts
8 Jan 2012 10:17am
Set up a KeNalu Maliko (mid size 81/2") for surfing with a 60% carbon shaft at 4" overhead about a week ago and it's really helped my shoulder problem. 3 hours in the surf yesterday and not a twinge. Think the dihedral lets me relax a little not struggling with any flutter.

Went for the Ergo handle which I'm usually not a great fan of but in surf I can instantly tell which way round the paddle is facing without looking. Find I'm not really gripping the handle as much as I used to with my old paddles.

Disclaimer: I'm importing them, gotta stop stealing from stock though
Rosscoe
Rosscoe
VIC
505 posts
VIC, 505 posts
8 Jan 2012 11:34am
I recently bought a Ke Nalu paddle through Jonathan, which I have now used in the surf about 5 times and really like it. I am 90kg, so decided to go with the 8 1/2 inch blade and a 100% carbon shaft. I also decided to make it about 2 inches shorter than my other surf paddle. It's very light, the blade tracks well and there's a just a tiny bit of 'give' in the shaft, which I like in a surf paddle. I went with what I think is called the Ergo T handle, which gives good control and also means that you always know whether you have the blade the right way round. There's plenty of power in the blade, but you can also easily take those short, quick strokes to get up to speed quickly when paddling for a wave.

A few days ago three of us did a dawnie at Gunnamatta. Great 1.5 - 2m left hander. The only problem was that Mike had left his (QB) paddle at home. Unlike you Qld'ers and Sydneysiders, this meant that the paddle was an hour's drive away and at 5:30am Mike wasn't going back for it. So the three of us shared two paddles - a Kialoa methane and the Ke Nalu. Interestingly, Mike took an instant like to the Ke Nalu and commented upon how good it felt - even after only his first few strokes of the paddle.
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
8 Jan 2012 11:49am
I'll chime in here with another endorsement for the ke nalu ... I have a Maliko 8 1/2" with the 100% carbon shaft. Also have a dodgy shoulder and an elbow with a bone chip floating in it. Yesterday I did a 20km flat water run with mine, just on 3hrs of constant tempo, diesel paddling (i'm not fast) with a minute or two's rest at the 10k turn. I expected to be suffering today but I have no pain at all, anywhere.

I'm roughly the same size as Scotty88 and i'm a beginner surfer but have used the Maliko in modest surf, it has more than enough grunt to get me and my 12x33 catching waves.



ShireSUP
ShireSUP
NSW
982 posts
NSW, 982 posts
8 Jan 2012 9:06pm
Hi mate
Hope your hols going well. I bought a adjustable naish for the wife and daughter when I bought the Shaka. It has an 8" blade and I have been using it in the surf and love it for the lightness. You can get a lot more strokes in short and sharp like Casso said. Found after surfing everyday that I was getting onto more waves.

Good luck

Greg
ockanui
ockanui
VIC
1321 posts
VIC, 1321 posts
8 Jan 2012 10:44pm
It seems all the Vicco's are ke nalu converts had it in beach break the other day, very responsive, light to play with ,no strain on shoulders, i have the 8" 90% flex with the T bar handle, it also does the me for flat water as well....
Mottman29
Mottman29
WA
80 posts
WA, 80 posts
8 Jan 2012 8:38pm
Hey Scotty,
I faced this dilemna about 2 weeks ago and own a Starboard 550 paddle and thought that surely something with a bigger blade would be better, as it felt like I just didnt have enough "power" on the take off for the wave. But I was deceived.

Casso is right on the money with this one... the bigger blades do not automatically mean easier/better paddle-power for the waves at take-off.

I tested this hypothesis with a larger wave blade I borrowed (big thanks to Ian Grose from Stand Up Paddle Osborne Park for the loan of a paddle for a week). I used both on the same morning to test a few waves with each blade and changed back again, and then did it all again on a different day. End result, is that Casso is right. Technique is the key... blade size has negligible impact on the result. And the other key, more time in the water mate. One note also is that bigger blades can mean much more force on the shoulder (muscles and joint), neck and upper back leading to over-exertion injuries and pain... which is the last thing you want.

Anyway, go and trial/test as many paddles as you can to make a decision... and when you work it out, make sure you post your result back on here! Good luck.
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
9 Jan 2012 5:08am
Thanks guys for the great feedback. I'll stick it out with the paddle I've got for now and work on my techniquie and good to know I got some options down the track if needed.
colas
colas
5388 posts
5388 posts
9 Jan 2012 5:03pm
You will definitely enjoy a powerful blade and short shaft lengths for SUPs less than 7', where you have to take off in basically two strokes (one stroke to position the board and one stroke to actually take off).

Also, big blades are useful in slow waves for manoeuvers, to have enough force to lean on, even without a lot of speed relative to the water.

But big blades are heavier, and more tiring. So it is a compromise, you gain some, you lose some. If you ride a 8'6" in good waves, you may not need a powerful blade for instance.
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
QLD, 7303 posts
10 Jan 2012 8:28am
colas said...

You will definitely enjoy a powerful blade and short shaft lengths for SUPs less than 7', where you have to take off in basically two strokes (one stroke to position the board and one stroke to actually take off).

Also, big blades are useful in slow waves for manoeuvers, to have enough force to lean on, even without a lot of speed relative to the water.

But big blades are heavier, and more tiring. So it is a compromise, you gain some, you lose some. If you ride a 8'6" in good waves, you may not need a powerful blade for instance.

I tend to agree with Colas on this one , I've gone back to the bigger Quick Blade , Elite Racer for surfing , more power in the first few strokes plus the larger blade definitely helps when surfing. The shaft is stiff but the larger head flex's so it's doesn't blow your shoulders. Weight wise the larger paddle is only a few grams heavier than the Kahana 100

Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
10 Jan 2012 6:36am
Piros said...

colas said...

You will definitely enjoy a powerful blade and short shaft lengths for SUPs less than 7', where you have to take off in basically two strokes (one stroke to position the board and one stroke to actually take off).

Also, big blades are useful in slow waves for manoeuvers, to have enough force to lean on, even without a lot of speed relative to the water.

But big blades are heavier, and more tiring. So it is a compromise, you gain some, you lose some. If you ride a 8'6" in good waves, you may not need a powerful blade for instance.

I tend to agree with Colas on this one , I've gone back to the bigger Quick Blade , Elite Racer for surfing , more power in the first few strokes plus the larger blade definitely helps when surfing. The shaft is stiff but the larger head flex's so it's doesn't blow your shoulders. Weight
wise the larger paddle is only a few grams heavier than the Kahana 100





I've got the Elite Racer and plan to give it a go next surf. I feel I need more blade which should mean less strokes. Cheers
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