No pressure from our end Matt.

Sorry Laurie/admin but I have to agree with Lobes and Matt, this is a forum and one of the reasons I signed up and enjoy reading whats happening. I also buy from people on this forum. I worked for a company doing the same type of construction out of Thailand, I now the things that can go wrong, most of the time it's only 1 board or a small batch. Hopefully Naish will come to the party, but stopping the topic,I dont believe this is helping anyone, customer,dealer,manufactor, whoever.
Thanx for the Forum
Robert

Hi, I only just noticed this topic....

I have a 10'6" Naish & it has exactly the same type of crack/split issue on the edges of the deck - it has two T-shaped cracks about 5cms long fore/aft, bisected by smaller 1cm across - both sides - where the deck is stepping down to the rail... I only discovered it when I re-gripped the board.

This board developed a significant amount of indentation in the central deck standing area within the first month of use.

I would suggest to all owners of the Naish boards, not just the 10'6" (my mates 9'6" has the cracks too), if you have noticable indentations in the standing area - remove the grip & check for cracks.

I sanded & fiberglassed the cracks to reinforce and keep them water-tight, then re-gripped.

I suspect that my board will break in half eventually somewhere across the indentations.It looks like a "point load failure". I'm guessing there is a design fault in these boards construction - they aren't built strong enough in the standing area. A certain amount of indentation is to be expected but a failure of the lamination means that it's bad design/planning - a simple extra reinforcing patch in this area would have stopped this from happening & added only small amount of weight.

Glass off said...

Hi, I only just noticed this topic....

I have a 10'6" Naish & it has exactly the same type of crack/split issue on the edges of the deck - it has two T-shaped cracks about 5cms long fore/aft, bisected by smaller 1cm across - both sides - where the deck is stepping down to the rail... I only discovered it when I re-gripped the board.

This board developed a significant amount of indentation in the central deck standing area within the first month of use.

I would suggest to all owners of the Naish boards, not just the 10'6" (my mates 9'6" has the cracks too), if you have noticable indentations in the standing area - remove the grip & check for cracks.

I sanded & fiberglassed the cracks to reinforce and keep them water-tight, then re-gripped.

I suspect that my board will break in half eventually somewhere across the indentations.It looks like a "point load failure". I'm guessing there is a design fault in these boards construction - they aren't built strong enough in the standing area. A certain amount of indentation is to be expected but a failure of the lamination means that it's bad design/planning - a simple extra reinforcing patch in this area would have stopped this from happening & added only small amount of weight.

Laurie,

Exactly why the post needs to stay alive

To put a positive spin on it-Naish needs to know if there are issues with their design construction in order that that may be addressed not only in respect of current owners but also going forward.

I would have accepted a certain degree of wear with my board-but it had about 5-6 sessions-maybe 8 hours in total in 1-2 feet surf. And I'm not a total SUP/surf gumby-I've been surfing for a long time-I know about surfboards/sailboards/kiteboards- know how to treat them, I know how to identify user error (I worked in the surf industry for years and had to deal with product returns) etc. etc..

As I've stated before my board is NOT an isolated incident-it's a design/construction defect.

Matt

My 9 6" naish has copped a flogging in solid waves and is still like brand newExcept for all the dings I have put in it

Must have been a lemon, my 11'6" Naish has absolutely no problems, no sinking and no dents - in fact I'm amazed how sturdy the thing is. All the same, I hate getting ripped off and I would be very disappointed if it happened to me. I wouldn't even be happy with a repair. I hope they take it off you, analyze what could have gone wrong, whip a few thai butts in that cobra sweathouse, and replace it with a new board.

Easier buying Australian IMHO - If you have an issue, take it up with the shaper - no need for global entities to get involved and no need for messy rants on forums.

Since Ive been visiting this site,I have seen cameras,deck grip,Meyerhoffers,sponsership offers and many other things get reviewed with some negative feedback,but now NAISH are getting some,its labeled as "TABOO".
Surely if this site does not provide transparency and freedom of speech and opinion,Iam out of here,
Other Robbo

As i said i can not comment on this board as i have not seen it and its not my place to do so!!!

I just gave my experience's with my board and boards i have sold and seen with this sort of cracking and in all these cases a impact was to blame YOURS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.

I checked all my naish boards out after reading these posts just to see if it was something that was only on the step deck boards and it wasn't there were some cracks like that in my 11'6 as well(it is 2 years old).

Cheers Jacko

ianr64 said...
Since Ive been visiting this site,I have seen cameras,deck grip,Meyerhoffers,sponsership offers and many other things get reviewed with some negative feedback,but now NAISH are getting some,its labeled as "TABOO".

There is a world of difference between a review, and a poster using the forum to campaign for support on an individual transaction with another business.

From the forum policy (built from much experience):

Complaints about a business

When this occurs, the poster is usually quite fired up and emotional. Often the customer is now out to cause as much damage as possible to the business with the mission that they are "fully justified" (their words) and "simply stating facts" (their words) about the business.

This may be the case .. or not. There are many sides to any story. The point is that the Seabreeze forums are not the appropriate place to resolve the issue. Go to the appropriate legal/government authority and do it there.

Choose not to, and end up in hot water. As soon as you flame a business, you'll usually get supporters of the business come out in defence and question your behaviour and motives. People interested in the discussion will seek more information from you. It soon descends into an argument containing many and varied versions of the truth and everybody goes home unhappy.

It has never ended well for anybody.

The business is damaged, the poster now has a stigma in the forum community (and now can't deal with many shops because the shops know what will happen if they cross this customer - their business will get dragged through the mud.)

And of course, there's also the situation when the poster does not really have a complaint, but is simply a competitor or naive associate of a business who thinks the way to get more business is to degrade the competition.

A special note: This applies (and has been applied) to any business, not just businesses that sponsor the site.

poor relative said...

This kinda thing, whilst interesting and emotional always ends bad.

i know it seems like that's the case but, in my experience, it's never been so. the topic either peters out or there's a winner and a loser, just as there should be. one of the great things about the 'net is it levels the playing field. and for an admin to come in and shut things down to save a guy's rep who hasn't asked for it to be saved -- i dunno, but that doesn't seem right to me. i say, let the thing play out and the chips fall where they may. that's how reputations are made and broken and how the wheat is separated from the chaff. admin is not god. and he should not act like he is ... eventho it is his forum and it's his right to do so.
okay, i'll stop now and go back to my goslings. yum yum good!

I like to think the Aussies & NZ.ers are straight shooters on the whole & companies that sell relatively untested product (we got first delivery of these boards)would do well to take note of what comes out of this market.

I had the same issues with my board - I fixed it & kept riding....

The manufacturer would be wise to begin reinforcing the area on subsequent boards if they want to maintain a good reputation for investing in their equipment.... Now that I am trying to sell my board - these cracks are not helping to get me any reasonable offers... I wont be buying from this company again unless they step up with some construction integrity.

Lfish said...
I have no problem with but when a bloke has a problem & after going thru a process of trying to do something bout it & (it seems) he's told basically "it's your fault, go away" I think he has every right to alert the rest of us.......

That's a huge presumption of guilt by one party, and this is why we decided that product disputes between an individual and a business are not "blogged" in the forums. It's ugly, divides members, & wrecks the vibe!

Disputes between an individual & a business are right up there with Religion & Politics.

These things are complex, there are real people, real emotions (especially when you can't get on the water) and every variation of guilt/fault is possible in our own heads.

No need for kangaroo courts in forums...

The key is understanding the difference between

a) discussing a possible fault (ok), and

b) discussing a personal issue/interaction with a business (not ok)