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hilly
hilly
WA
8131 posts
WA, 8131 posts
30 Jan 2016 8:16pm
Mo the man

Antho
Antho
VIC
516 posts
VIC, 516 posts
31 Jan 2016 12:48am
That was great Hilly...his surfing is unreal!
supthecreek
supthecreek
2768 posts
2768 posts
30 Jan 2016 9:55pm
Probably my favorite SUP surfer, he surfs with an old soul....
patient, impeccable timing, deep carves and great lines.... all done with style

Thanks hilly, great flick!
surfinJ
surfinJ
674 posts
674 posts
31 Jan 2016 2:37am
Great stoke feeder, thanks. And your words STC, perfectly describe why the kid is totally inspiring.
SUPbru
SUPbru
386 posts
386 posts
31 Jan 2016 2:56am
Awesome surfing - thanks for sharing Hilly.
kitemantim
kitemantim
148 posts
148 posts
31 Jan 2016 3:20am
Antho said..
That was great Hilly...his surfing is unreal!


O to be 30 years younger and have talent
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
31 Jan 2016 6:31am
great surfing.

however isn't this the guy who waits for waves with the board down to his waist!!!!!!. carries the board up under his arm

the board is ridiculously small- he would want to be ripping on..

notice the careful editing.

whats the point. just forget the paddle.


represents all that is wrong with sup surfing.

but hey good luck to him


red thumbs go for your life

mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
NSW
1016 posts
NSW, 1016 posts
31 Jan 2016 8:43am
Lacey... your like an old fisho threading a smelly piece of bait on ya hook and through it in to see how many bites you'll get!!! haha love ya work
couscous
couscous
25 posts
25 posts
31 Jan 2016 6:24am
Interesting perspective Lacey, I hold a alternative view point in that I think SUP takes many different forms and short board style sup is just another extension of the sport, I am a short board surfer above all else and feel that the paddle brings a different approach to surfing a wave and presents more of a challenge than regular surfing. I think this comment from Pat Rawson sums it up pretty well.

The paddle should enhance surfing – period
. The paddle helps you catch more waves, drive turns harder, and push turns farther than you can on a shortboard. It allows you to recover from blown maneuvers, gain speed in flat sections, and get more out of waves overall. The paddle is the extension of the art and should never be the center of attention.


different strokes for different folks I guess.
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
QLD, 7303 posts
31 Jan 2016 8:52am
Absolutely ripping it up
Stev0
Stev0
422 posts
422 posts
31 Jan 2016 7:31am
Ripping! But he prone paddles out on that tiny board. Kind of a hybrid of SUP and shortboard surfing!
JKimbler
JKimbler
317 posts
317 posts
31 Jan 2016 3:04pm
Very nice kid, very cool family. I see them from time to time surfing Laniakea.
Area10
Area10
1508 posts
1508 posts
31 Jan 2016 6:06pm
He's surfing a mini-mal with a paddle in his hands, basically.

No doubting his skill. But if he was surfing on the same wave as a shortboarder he would look slow.

Just forget the paddle and then see if you can hold your own with KS etc.

I'm with Lacey on this. I don't really see the point, and it's not something I'd aspire to. But as I say, no-one can doubt his skill, and if it gives him pleasure then there's nothing wrong with that. However, I feel about this kind of SUSing (well, kinda-standup anyway) the same way that I do about unicyclng. Why?? If you think you are such hot stuff then get yourself two wheels and go join Danny MacAskill.
Foam
Foam
WA
768 posts
WA, 768 posts
31 Jan 2016 6:23pm
I will never say another word on stability on short sups
Brilliant video
hilly
hilly
WA
8131 posts
WA, 8131 posts
31 Jan 2016 9:19pm
Area 10 and Lacey please return to grumpy old longboard forum. Pretty sure KS earns 1000s of times what Mo gets if he gets anything from SUP.

The guy rips and his use of the paddle is awesome. I am sure he rips on a SB too but this is on a sup, something to aspire too. Most of us paddle out through the chop on our guts. I like the way he surfs which cannot be said of many on a surf sup.
Area10
Area10
1508 posts
1508 posts
31 Jan 2016 10:22pm
Look, this trajectory for SUP is leading nowhere. Mo is already paddling not standing up as much as he is standing up. The logical progression of this is that you only stand up when you are on a wave, and use a prone surfboard. That is where this is currently headed. At that point it is not stand up *paddling* at all.

What we need IMO is a paradigm shift. We need a manoeuvre that you can only do with a paddle, ie. something that traditional surfing can't do. A signature SUP move, like hanging 10 is for longboarding. But we are currently waiting for the exceptional person to come along who will show us all what is possible, and create a new style of surfing overnight. Maybe that is Mo, in time. But right now, merely copying shortboard surfing moves (only making them slower and less extreme due to the size of your board) is not getting him, or us, anywhere. Unless your goal is to look like a distinctly average surfer who is using a paddle to try and compensate for his board being too big to do anything too rad.

It's got nothing to do with longboarding vs. shortboarding. It's to do with disappointment at the lack of invention of our discipline, and competitions reinforcing extablished moves rather than encouraging forging ahead in new directions.

Bring me something new, not kids paddling on their bellies copying another sport altogether.

flowmaster
flowmaster
366 posts
366 posts
1 Feb 2016 1:54am
I just wish I was this average
t457118
t457118
124 posts
124 posts
1 Feb 2016 3:07am
I dunno. I've never proned in my life but I really enjoy going shorter and shorter in my SUP boards and trying to carve faster and gougier turns. It just feels good. I don't compare or judge it against anything.
crazybula
crazybula
NSW
99 posts
NSW, 99 posts
1 Feb 2016 6:48am
A short slo-mo of him paddling on his guts after entering the water from the rocks and the sport is suddenly in a downward spiral.

Interesting.


Whassup
Whassup
NSW
94 posts
NSW, 94 posts
1 Feb 2016 7:04am
Does he use the paddle to catch the wave or does he paddle prone?
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
1 Feb 2016 7:53am
Area10 said..

What we need IMO is a paradigm shift. We need a manoeuvre that you can only do with a paddle, i

But we are currently waiting for the exceptional person to come along who will show us all what is possible




He might already be here. Check out from the 2 min mark in this vid. The amount of drive he gets out of his turns with the use of that paddle is amazing. He just leans right over and leverages it. All the footage I have seen of him in the big stuff this year has been insane. He seems to be able to use his paddle for turns that none of the other fellas can do - he springs off the bottom a lot quicker and then follows up with much more critical top turns. Maybe 666 is the future of paddling into big wave surfing. Several have been saying this of late. Clearly not a lot of fun when the wind gets up but then the prone boys struggle to paddle in then as well. KL is clearly a freak across a number of water based activities but I think what he has been doing in the big waves of late on his 666 is simply incredible.

Area10
Area10
1508 posts
1508 posts
1 Feb 2016 5:46am
Yeah that's more like it for sure. I wonder if his amazing recovery on that drop was partly due to having a paddle as a third leg. I'm viewing it on a tiny screen so can't see if this is the case.

I'm surprised that people this skilled are not using the paddle to unweight themselves more, to do tricks etc. There has to be mileage in that somewhere. Of course I'm nowhere near skilled enough to make anything like that work, but that's the sort of thing I mean when I say we might be able to use the paddle to enable us to do thing that surfers can't. Or any other watercraft for that matter. Once that happens then the sport has become something unique, and we will have to start thinking up new scoring criteria for comps that don't just ape those from shortboard surfing.

But think it through yourself: look at the direction that SUSing has taken over the last 7 years or so, since the days when every board was essentially a surf longboard, and project it forward another 7 years if we follow the same course. Are we just going to keep on getting smaller and smaller boards and shorter and shorter paddles, until we are riding surfboards carrying a teaspoon? Or is it more likely that we will have to find new ways to develop, especially in order to keep the sport accessible, and to carve a niche all our own? That's what interests me. Probably out there right now is some 10 year old kid who before long is going to suddenly do it all a new way, and then we will all be doing the "720 reverse drop" or whatever the hell it will be that she or he shows us. I hope so, anyway.
Sandsy1
Sandsy1
NSW
814 posts
NSW, 814 posts
1 Feb 2016 9:26am
Stev0 said..
Ripping! But he prone paddles out on that tiny board. Kind of a hybrid of SUP and shortboard surfing!


Exactly! A bit of both. Very good point!
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
1 Feb 2016 10:23am
hilly said..
Area 10 and Lacey please return to grumpy old longboard forum. Pretty sure KS earns 1000s of times what Mo gets if he gets anything from SUP.

The guy rips and his use of the paddle is awesome. I am sure he rips on a SB too but this is on a sup, something to aspire too. Most of us paddle out through the chop on our guts. I like the way he surfs which cannot be said of many on a surf sup.


if he waits for a wave with the board under water up to his waist, spends a lot of time prone paddling , very talented,


well its not Stand Up Paddling IE SUP, is it.

that's the nuts and bolts of it like it or not.

as Ive said many times the sport of sup surfing lost its way years ago when boards dropped under 9 ft.

it had its own identity then lost it trying to be something else other then fun, a board to ride fat or small or lumpy waves.


I want some red thumbs dam it
808-Obsession
808-Obsession
QLD
452 posts
QLD, 452 posts
1 Feb 2016 10:51am
laceys lane said...
hilly said..
Area 10 and Lacey please return to grumpy old longboard forum. Pretty sure KS earns 1000s of times what Mo gets if he gets anything from SUP.

The guy rips and his use of the paddle is awesome. I am sure he rips on a SB too but this is on a sup, something to aspire too. Most of us paddle out through the chop on our guts. I like the way he surfs which cannot be said of many on a surf sup.


if he waits for a wave with the board under water up to his waist, spends a lot of time prone paddling , very talented,


well its not Stand Up Paddling IE SUP, is it.

that's the nuts and bolts of it like it or not.

as Ive said many times the sport of sup surfing lost its way years ago when boards dropped under 9 ft.

it had its own identity then lost it trying to be something else other then fun, a board to ride fat or small or lumpy waves.


I want some red thumbs dam it





Just joking Lacey!!! But you asked...

CAUTION
CAUTION
WA
1097 posts
WA, 1097 posts
1 Feb 2016 9:56am
that board must be about the size of my shortboard, maybe a bit longer but looks about 23" wide. awesome skills.
speed to boot.
man must be hard work but!
DAZZAINTHEBAZZA
DAZZAINTHEBAZZA
QLD
60 posts
QLD, 60 posts
1 Feb 2016 12:07pm
Too Loud Too Old...Too Short Too Old... ...MO Rips
DARTH
DARTH
WA
3028 posts
WA, 3028 posts
1 Feb 2016 10:45am
laceys lane said..

hilly said..
Area 10 and Lacey please return to grumpy old longboard forum. Pretty sure KS earns 1000s of times what Mo gets if he gets anything from SUP.

The guy rips and his use of the paddle is awesome. I am sure he rips on a SB too but this is on a sup, something to aspire too. Most of us paddle out through the chop on our guts. I like the way he surfs which cannot be said of many on a surf sup.



if he waits for a wave with the board under water up to his waist, spends a lot of time prone paddling , very talented,


well its not Stand Up Paddling IE SUP, is it.

that's the nuts and bolts of it like it or not.

as Ive said many times the sport of sup surfing lost its way years ago when boards dropped under 9 ft.

it had its own identity then lost it trying to be something else other then fun, a board to ride fat or small or lumpy waves.


I want some red thumbs dam it



+1
Greystoke
Greystoke
119 posts
119 posts
1 Feb 2016 11:17am
couscous said..
Interesting perspective Lacey, I hold a alternative view point in that I think SUP takes many different forms and short board style sup is just another extension of the sport, I am a short board surfer above all else and feel that the paddle brings a different approach to surfing a wave and presents more of a challenge than regular surfing. I think this comment from Pat Rawson sums it up pretty well.

The paddle should enhance surfing – period
. The paddle helps you catch more waves, drive turns harder, and push turns farther than you can on a shortboard. It allows you to recover from blown maneuvers, gain speed in flat sections, and get more out of waves overall. The paddle is the extension of the art and should never be the center of attention.


different strokes for different folks I guess.


Well said! As a polynesian the paddle feels natural in my hands, as a surfer for over 30 years both short and long I see the paddle as an extension of my own surfing and how I like to ride waves (Thank you Laird, DK)

I quess Mo likes to ride waves as an expression which is as STC has described very old school deep fades, smooth lines with explosive power moves, individually unique as it should be, not as others would have us surf.

Mo would have to be one of my fav surfers along with KL, KS and Rob M.

Surf as you feel, stay stoked!
SteveM74
SteveM74
QLD
122 posts
QLD, 122 posts
1 Feb 2016 1:56pm
Stand up surfing is not Stand up paddling and this is where the problem lies

It is a break away from the paddling scene

It should be recognised as stand alone and a progression in stand up and accepted as that

People will critique others without recourse across all forms of social media and forums
Why this happens is due to us being all different

Accept stand up surfing boards are shorter narrower and able to be ridden to their fullest by some incredibly talented young blokes

It is very different from shortboarding and has a completely differemt approach to riding a wave, wave selection, mingaling and jostling in the line up etc etc
One
Bump you dig a rail and you miss the wave
Positioning is everything riding a board rail to rail
Try it without a paddle on a wider longer board boardering 7 1/2 ft and 26 - 28 inchs wide

Its friggen hard !!!

Go the SUSer's I say and enjoy your craft the way you want

Moderators please start up a new section for SUSer 's !!
PeterP
PeterP
873 posts
873 posts
1 Feb 2016 12:58pm
I think Mo rips - no question about it. But put any WCT guy on the same wave and a shortboard will surf better. I still think it is amazing that SUP's have come this far and in certain conditions outperform prone surfing. I can think of one area where SUPs are beginning to outperform proners as TTK touched on earlier

Big wave surfing - the evidence is dropping in everyday, the way Kai Lenny rides Jaws on a SUP is better than most, if not all the proners (incl himself) - with the SUP he can get in earlier which means he can set up deeper and better for the barrel and with the help of his paddle he is able to survive wobbles and he seems able to hold his rail through turns more aggressively than the proners again helping him set up for the barrel plus allowing to do tighter top turns.

The width required in a SUP has always been the biggest performance limitation, but on a 10'8 big wave gun the guys are virtually on identical equipment and suddenly the paddle becomes the differentiator, in favour of the SUP rider.....
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