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DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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28 Sep 2010 9:46am
Interesting read.. http://hamptonroads.com/2010/09/stealing-waves-some-surfers-va-beach-think-so

Stealing the waves? Some surfers in Va. Beach think so.

The ocean may be vast and surfing mostly peaceful, but sometimes breaking waves get a little crowded and tempers can flare.

A relatively new water sport called stand-up paddleboarding has migrated east from Hawaii, bringing to the surf a simmering tension with surfers similar to the turf battle between skiers and snowboarders that played out on mountain slopes in the 1990s.

"It's a red-hot sport right now," said Rick Romano, a stand-up paddleboarder and Beach artist. "There's a big rift in the surfing community about it."

Paddleboarders stand on large boards and use long, single-bladed paddles to propel through the water. Riders use them in flat water and to surf waves. In the surf zone, they enjoy the advantage of being able to see and catch waves earlier than surfers and, in many cases, can ride smaller waves longer, all of which frustrates some surfers. Sometimes heated words are exchanged. In rare cases, it gets physical.

"These guys can catch the waves farther out than anyone else," said Tony Lighthart, a Sandbridge surfboard maker and surfer. "From a surfer's perspective, it's getting to the point where we don't get along."

They've come to the attention of local officials. Beach resident Janet Meyer went before the council this summer to complain about paddleboarders, tossing the issue into the unpredictable realm of politics.

"A lot of surfers wish paddleboarders would just go away," Meyer said recently, citing her safety concerns about the size of the boards and the paddles. "They sit so much further out and they're stealing the waves. Somehow it doesn't seem fair."

The Police Department requested that the council ask the General Assembly for authority to regulate the sport. Its request said the boards "could create a safety hazard for swimmers or persons wading into the water" and asked for the power to "regulate, by ordinance, the use and operation of paddle boards."

That has some stand-up paddleboarders worried that new rules could restrict ocean access.

The U.S. Coast Guard classifies stand-up paddleboards, most of which are between 10 and 12 feet long, as "vessels," but that designation applies only outside of surf zones. As result, officials are wrestling with how, if at all, to regulate them inside surfing areas.

Police Sgt. Brian Ricardo, who heads the department's marine unit, said police have no interest in banning the boards from surf areas, the main fear of some stand-up paddleboarders. Ricardo said he wants to make sure paddleboarders wear leashes, the devices that keep riders tethered to their boards after a fall, just like surfers, and that most already do.

He's not aware of any paddleboard getting away from its rider and crashing into a swimmer or wader - a common fear - but wants to make sure it doesn't happen.

Romano said he found that reassuring.

"People assumed the worst," he said. "The whole thing just blew up."

Usually, the worst thing that happens out in the waves is mild trash talking. Surfers have coined derisive names for paddleboarders, including "sweepers" and "janitors," a reference to the paddling motion.

In rare cases, conflicts escalate.

This summer, a surfer and stand-up paddleboarder ended up in court over a confrontation in the ocean at the resort area jetty near First Street, the city's busiest surf spot.

On July 14, surfer Pete Bowling III launched his board at paddleboarder George Copenhaver, hitting Copenhaver's "board and legs and foot," according to Copenhaver's criminal complaint, filed in court.

"He grabbed his board back and told me to 'get that (expletive) paddle board out of the surf zone, this is an (expletive) surf zone for surf boards,' " Copenhaver wrote in his complaint.

Later that day, Copenhaver confronted Bowling in the parking lot and Bowling pulled a hatchet from his car, Copenhaver's complaint says.

"The only reason I can conclude about Pete's actions was he does not want stand-up paddleboarders in the surf zone," Copenhaver wrote. "He on purpose tried to cause bodily harm by using his surfboard."

Bowling was found guilty in General District Court of misdemeanor assault and fined $1,000. He has appealed the case to Circuit Court.

Dave Shotton, owner of Freedom Surf Shop, said the rift between surfers and stand-up paddleboarders is exaggerated and probably temporary. He likened it to the tension between longboarders and other surfers at the Beach jetty in the 1990s. Longboard surfers, because of the boards' size, have some of the same advantages as stand-up paddleboarders.

"We didn't want longboarders there," said Shotton, who now rides both surfboards and stand-up paddleboards.

He said stand-up boards are great for riding small waves, giving people a reason to get in the ocean on days when surfers stay home.

"We just want another excuse to be in the water," he said.

In the end, it's likely surfers and stand-up paddleboarders will be left alone to work out their differences.

Councilman John Uhrin, a longtime surfer who represents the Oceanfront and has met with paddleboard advocates, said police are looking to regulate them as if they were surfboards, a solution he thinks will please most people.

"There's just more people using the surfing areas, and there's not enough room for everybody," he said. "Everybody just has to be nice."
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
28 Sep 2010 8:39am
a good mal rider on a fast rocker line can catch as many or more waves than a good SUP rider - and they can catch fat waves earlier than a SUP rider on a surf SUP. ESPECIALLY if the wind is 8 knots or more - offshore.

Yes SUP riders can catch waves pretty early but its a myth that SUP riders can pick up fat swells earlier than everyone else.

This does not include long open water racing style SUPS which shouldnt really be in the surf anyway.

KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
NSW, 1353 posts
28 Sep 2010 10:41am
Sounds like the problem that the longboard craze started, taken to the next level.
I wonder how many surfers who are complaining are on mals ?

It's much more like the conflict between shortboards and longboards, than skiers and snow-boarders.




Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
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NSW, 14256 posts
28 Sep 2010 11:26am
Thanks for posting DJ - lets hope it does not come to blows like that over here.

With summer fast approaching I was surprised at the jump up in crowds this last weekend. I countered approx. 110 people between long reef and dee why point on Sat morning at 6.30am. I am fortunate in that I work from home so I do not normally surf on weekends - but sometimes when its a nice day and you wake early you still want to go!

I saw one other paddle boarder........the vibe in the water was fine. I have only ever encountered one real issue and that was from a bloke who pushed me off whilst catching a wave next to me. It was 2 foot and fading and he was clearly frustrated about not getting many waves - he was snaking the other blokes in the water as well. Later on I timed a cutback to perfection and scarred the bee jesus out of him. And as I paddled back I might have said a few things. He paddled off to another peak soon after and has never given me any trouble since.

What I find more often happens is that when you are turning around to go for a wave in spots with tight take off areas people sit there on their boards and block you. Thats annoying as you can not really paddle at full pace as you would hit them / their boards with yr paddle. I think sometimes this is done on purpose and other times people just do not think to move. I know when I turn and go on my shortboard in a crowded area people get out of your way real quick. On the SUP there seems a reluctance sometimes.

There is enough waves for everyone - people need to realise the reason that they were first attracted to the activity of riding waves in the first place. Yes SUP's are dangerous......but so are 6 foot thrusters being piloted by unskilled riders when you are paddling back out on your normal surfboard and there is no where to go. Now that is scary. Over the years I have wished that these operators could be banned from the waves - especially when its good but long lulls - allowing everyone to paddle out!!!!!! So in a way I can understand the frustrations of some people - but come down to Manly any day when its less than head high and see how many waves the long boarders are getting compared to everyone else - they have been doing it for yrs. On other days you get groups of blokes from the board riders clubs who just paddle round like they own the place dropping in on everyone and thinking its funny. But you have to take the good with the bad - its a nice place to live and there are not many large cities in the world where you get so many good waves so close and with such a nice climate. I am surprised sometimes that its not more crowded given the size of the population.

Anyway in 4 weeks time I am moving up the coast and I am a hoping these northern beaches crowds will be a thing of the past for me.




Simondo
Simondo
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28 Sep 2010 11:58am
Ted the Kiwi said...


Anyway in 4 weeks time I am moving up the coast and I am a hoping these northern beaches crowds will be a thing of the past for me.



Cool, where are you moving to ??!!
Towny
Towny
NSW
903 posts
NSW, 903 posts
28 Sep 2010 1:39pm
Im a few hours up the coast and they are'nt the quiet little towns they used to be, as the highway has gotten better the weekend city crowds have gotten bigger,
Would,nt be a problem if they left the dog fight of the city life on the highway and
not turn up in packs,they just need to learn to relax while in the country
(cue violin)
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
28 Sep 2010 3:33pm
Simondo said...

Ted the Kiwi said...


Anyway in 4 weeks time I am moving up the coast and I am a hoping these northern beaches crowds will be a thing of the past for me.



Cool, where are you moving to ??!!


I shall be joining the Central Coast SUP club. I will be residing at the very northern end of it. Its not as far north as we initially planned but we are both excited about leaving the city behind.


Towny - I hear you loud and clear. I am now hoping that as I am a wee bit further north now that my weekend trips can be even further north now skipping those places you refer to!! I will miss the south coast expeditions though.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
28 Sep 2010 1:38pm
SUPrised, Im not!
surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
28 Sep 2010 3:39pm
The easiest solution is surf the second or third best bank and not the best which is the crowded bank.

Many beaches may not have the quality but are uncrowded and empty and I know I'm looking for those spots on my SUP as the drama's involved in sourcing quality waves without hassle is a waste of time IMO.

Downwinders, River Runs and empty beach breaks - it all of a sudden proves a very big ocean. 99% of boardriders on 1% of water and 99% of water with 1% of riders.

It's about the choices we make.
mbuzz
mbuzz
NSW
261 posts
NSW, 261 posts
28 Sep 2010 8:26pm
When surfing was introduced to the uk back in the 60's, local councils at the bequest of concerned swimmers made it compulsory for all surfboards to be licensed. My mate has an old fish we call 'the pig' that still has it's license sticker on it. As it turned out, no one died, the world didn't end and surfing is a popular there as it is here.

People will always be afraid of something new that they don't fully understand. Sooner or later, they will realize we are the future and join us.

All together now. Join us, join us join us ... you know you want to ; )
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
NSW, 1353 posts
28 Sep 2010 9:05pm
I agree. I had a great paddle today in Currumbin estuary, while the northerly created slop out front. Hard push back up the creek into the storm front though. Groovy lightning !!

surfanimals said...

The easiest solution is surf the second or third best bank and not the best which is the crowded bank.

Many beaches may not have the quality but are uncrowded and empty and I know I'm looking for those spots on my SUP as the drama's involved in sourcing quality waves without hassle is a waste of time IMO.

Downwinders, River Runs and empty beach breaks - it all of a sudden proves a very big ocean. 99% of boardriders on 1% of water and 99% of water with 1% of riders.

It's about the choices we make.


SandS
SandS
VIC
5904 posts
VIC, 5904 posts
28 Sep 2010 9:11pm
surfanimals said...

The easiest solution is surf the second or third best bank and not the best which is the crowded bank.

Many beaches may not have the quality but are uncrowded and empty and I know I'm looking for those spots on my SUP as the drama's involved in sourcing quality waves without hassle is a waste of time IMO.

Downwinders, River Runs and empty beach breaks - it all of a sudden proves a very big ocean. 99% of boardriders on 1% of water and 99% of water with 1% of riders.

It's about the choices we make.


Yes very good thoughts , and good attitude to have i recon !
teatrea
teatrea
QLD
4177 posts
QLD, 4177 posts
28 Sep 2010 9:50pm
SandS said...

surfanimals said...

The easiest solution is surf the second or third best bank and not the best which is the crowded bank.

Many beaches may not have the quality but are uncrowded and empty and I know I'm looking for those spots on my SUP as the drama's involved in sourcing quality waves without hassle is a waste of time IMO.

Downwinders, River Runs and empty beach breaks - it all of a sudden proves a very big ocean. 99% of boardriders on 1% of water and 99% of water with 1% of riders.

It's about the choices we make.


Yes very good thoughts , and good attitude to have i recon !


id have to agree , i have been sniffing out some beachies lately the regular haunt is getting ridiculous expecially on weekends , the beachies are actually way more fun , rides might not be as long but more speed , steeper waves and mostly you can find a spot to yourself.

the enjoyment is lost when your always fighting for scraps.I feel like a mongrel under the dinner table when surfing crowded point breaks.Its just not worth it on most days
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
4 Oct 2010 10:26pm
mbuzz said...

Sooner or later, they will realize we are the future and join us.

All together now. Join us, join us join us ... you know you want to ; )

Be careful what you wish for. If that happened, suddenly all the overweight middle aged kooks who took up SUP will fall straight back to the bottom of the ladder.
Legion
Legion
WA
2222 posts
WA, 2222 posts
4 Oct 2010 10:33pm
I actually got hassled by a SUP kook the other day. I was out at a popular WA holiday spot in a small swell and despite being a kook other people were bigger kooks so I kept paddling to a nice deep takeoff spot. At one stage I must've upset the SUP guy because he said something I didn't catch so I said "huh?" and he said something like "I swore I'd never paddle inside shortboarders ... blah, blah, blah
(missed the last part). And then he paddled inside. He only did it for one wave. I guess he was embarrassed that he couldn't keep his balance paddling around and kept falling off on the flat water. He went in shortly after.

I'm still yet to see a good SUP surfer.
towball
towball
4634 posts
4634 posts
5 Oct 2010 4:39am


I'm still yet to see a good SUP surfer.


They say it makes you go Blind
Salatiela
Salatiela
NSW
378 posts
NSW, 378 posts
5 Oct 2010 7:43am
Legion said...

I actually got hassled by a SUP kook the other day. I was out at a popular WA holiday spot in a small swell and despite being a kook other people were bigger kooks so I kept paddling to a nice deep takeoff spot. At one stage I must've upset the SUP guy because he said something I didn't catch so I said "huh?" and he said something like "I swore I'd never paddle inside shortboarders ... blah, blah, blah
(missed the last part). And then he paddled inside. He only did it for one wave. I guess he was embarrassed that he couldn't keep his balance paddling around and kept falling off on the flat water. He went in shortly after.

I'm still yet to see a good SUP surfer.


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