Paddle speed of various length boards

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LSD
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7 Jul 2009 2:18pm
No surf so I thought I might compare board paddle speeds.
I paddled on flat water, over a distance of 100 meters or so, watching the GPS I have the following numbers.
It is a bit rough doing it this way because a GPS is sensitve to board surges as I paddle, this was more evident on the shorter lighter boards.

To do a really accurate assesment a GPS could be set with 2 way points then read off the VMG. Velocity made good to the waypoint, that would then show a true picture how a board paddles to the takeoff zone, or point B.

It would take into account board yaw & the higher number of paddle changes on the short boards to try & keep them going in the right direction.
A short board getting to point B covers more distance because of the greater yaw, & at a slower speed, short board speeds or VMG, would be actualy slower than the numbers below. in k's

14'x27" .......... 8 cruise, 11 max

9'4"x28".......... 7.1 cruise, 7.7 max

8'2"x30.5"....... 6.5 cruise, 7.2 max

7'10"x30.75".... 6.2 cruise, 6.8 max

7'10"x27"........ 5.5 cruise, 6 max



How do you think this French thing would paddle?


DavidJohn
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7 Jul 2009 6:48pm
I wonder how long before we see racing sup's over 20' long.

DJ

log man
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7 Jul 2009 7:36pm
Interesting numbers LSD .is the reason the 7/10x30 is faster than the 7/10 x27 a volume issue ,that is the 7/10x 27 is sinking . Also interesting to see the difference in cruise speed and top speed is accentuated the longer the board . I've noticed this on my 9/6 . I can cruise along all day putting in easy strokes , but going 20% faster takes 80% more effort until top speed and it doesn't matter how much effort i put in after that . I guess that's just the physics of hull speed .
LSD
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7 Jul 2009 8:11pm
DJ,
It won't be long before you see a 20 footer......I'm doing the template now, the flat water cruiser is 20' x 26"
Interesting design if it works, very flat rocker, so the tail & bow are imersed.
The bow & stern will be very fine displacement, quite fin like, providing good directional stability, & being so long, a fin may not be need.
Outline will be similar to the olympic C1 below.


teatrea
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7 Jul 2009 8:33pm
Love your enthuisiasm for baord design LSD , your distance boards look really fast.
oliver
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7 Jul 2009 6:45pm
LSD said...

How do you think this French thing would paddle?



Probably about as good as it looks.

There would be a point where the length of the board wouldn't increase speed any more. I don't think a 20' board would be any faster than a 16' board made from the same material. But I build websites not boats.
LSD
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7 Jul 2009 8:50pm


There would be a point where the length of the board wouldn't increase speed any more. I don't think a 20' board would be any faster than a 16' board made from the same material. But I build websites not boats.


Oliver,
Would you care to make a small wager on that?
firstpoint
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7 Jul 2009 8:55pm
LSD said...



There would be a point where the length of the board wouldn't increase speed any more. I don't think a 20' board would be any faster than a 16' board made from the same material. But I build websites not boats.


Oliver,
Would you care to make a small wager on that?


are the big clubbie skis 21 foot,mate they are fast.full displacement as well.
Bnaccas
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7 Jul 2009 9:03pm
There would be a point that longer wouldn't be faster but I don't think that point is 16ft.

Length means weight but weight would help momentum. Tricky trade off I would think.
On flat water extra length would be very important but once it gets bumpy finding a shorter optimum length would be hard.
oliver
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7 Jul 2009 7:44pm
LSD said...

Oliver,
Would you care to make a small wager on that?


You are on. I'll put $5.00 cash of my own money on this. Winner takes all!

Get both boards ready by next Saturday by 10:00am and we will see who's right!
Gorgo
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7 Jul 2009 11:14pm
For displacement hulls the speed is directly proportional to length. There are formulas for calculating the speed for a given hull length.

The only problem is the formulas assume the provision of adequate power. All you need to do is throw up a tall enough mast and big enough sail, or big enough diesel, or enough burly rowers.

SUPs have only one-person-power so there will be a point of diminishing returns where a super long board will weigh too much for one person to push along.

Sea kayaks come up to around 24' so I'm guessing that would probably be the upper limit for a practical racing SUP.
Lobes
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7 Jul 2009 11:00pm
I think Gorgo is correct. Ultimately it comes down to the paddler. There may be a few supermen out there that could paddle a 24' + board but its a big ask.

Makes you wonder how good a SUPr someone like Sergey Bubka would be., That awesome torso strength he had in pole vault would transfer well to SUP I reckon.

LSD
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8 Jul 2009 1:49am
Actualy guys

You would find a child on a 20' or 24' SUB for that matter, could paddle faster than you on a 7' 10" SUB.

Suppose you will like me to prove it hey...........give me time to make the board & you can pilot it yourself.

your've missed some very important points

worrier
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8 Jul 2009 2:44am
Set it as a challenge for Laird across the english channel. Closest thing to superman I can think of
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