Recomended fin set-ups for PSH boards.

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Drewsta.
Drewsta.
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25 Mar 2009 5:59pm
Was talking to Paul from Roar Ind. when picking up my 10'6 wide and he said Blane was going to release some fin recomendations for the PSH range. So Blane or AA, any recomendations yet? (10'6 wide is sick BTW)
OG SUP
OG SUP
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26 Mar 2009 12:47am
Hey Drewsta,

I asked Blane the same question and here is his reply to fins for the 10'6 wide:

I'm only 5'-7" and 175 lbs. I used the FCS FG3 and FG5 (These are the ones that are colored red and blue with a white 8 looking thing on them) with a 7" flex fin called an Albacore from Future Fins. Now I only use Occy sides and a 6.5 Flex fin from Island Glass and I love that combo. You are gonna have many days of stoke ahead of you!!! Aloha, BC

I pick up my 10'6 wide tomorrow

Phill
AA
AA
NSW
2167 posts
AA AA
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26 Mar 2009 1:18am
Hey Guys, the recommended fin set-ups from Blane have been passed on to all the dealers, so touch base with them to work out what will work best for you.

Cheers

Andrew.A
B Chambers
B Chambers
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26 Mar 2009 2:00am
Island Fin Design not Island Glass... Sorry about that!! Have fun guys!!
robdog
robdog
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26 Mar 2009 9:20am
OG SUP said...



I pick up my 10'6 wide tomorrow

Phill


Hi Phill
You are going to love that board. Surf looks really promising for saturday and sunday to try it out. Robdog
OG SUP
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26 Mar 2009 5:42pm
Hey Robdog,

My baby is home sitting in the garage.

The fin setup you have is pretty sweet any chance of you sharing the details??

Please pretty please lol.

Phill


Surfrod66
Surfrod66
NSW
665 posts
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26 Mar 2009 5:58pm
Surely if you pay that much for a board it should come with good fins, you should not have to go and spend another $150 on fins.If you are paying top $ for the Premium board it should have good fins.Why would a company supply inferior fins on a top end board.By a cheep board get cheep fitting but if you pay top dollar you want top fitting.
allrounder
allrounder
VIC
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26 Mar 2009 6:33pm
The hardest part about most board that are bought in the market is the fin set up that comes with them usually are basic, unless they ad the price of a good set off fins to board, you still will be changing them at some time. I believe this way you can buy some thing that suits you or be recommended the right set up for your size and your local break. I have ridden mals for years and stand ups for a while. I am constantly playing with fins to get the right set up on every board, this is the fun part, as every fin set up suits the board in different ways and different conditions, and it really is a never ending cycle of exploring the potential off all the boards.
Lfish
Lfish
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26 Mar 2009 5:12pm
Allrounder, what you say is all very well & I agree, but I also agree with Rodkite, if you pay top dollar for a "top of the line board" surely you should expect the same as far as fins are concerened.......fins to match the quality of board & not something that just fits into the board
robdog
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26 Mar 2009 8:06pm
OG SUP said...

Hey Robdog,
My baby is home sitting in the garage.
The fin setup you have is pretty sweet any chance of you sharing the details??
Please pretty please lol.
Phill


Hi Phill
You will be stoked with that new board Phill!!

The fin setup I have is ...
Side fins almost the same as FCS M3 but in fibreglass. 4.5" x 4.5"
Centre fin by John Aitton (G boards - Torquay) 5" base x 6" tall.

I also have a centre fin 5.5" x 7.5" also made by John which I use in larger surf. The smaller centre fin means the board surfs more like a thruster IMO. Thought I might try the Occy side fins like Blane said next time I am in Torquay.

Hope you get some great surf in the next few days. Brooko and the rest of the sup crew down here are looking forward to some good waves tomorrow and the weekend. Forecast looks promising. Light offshores and a bit of swell.
Robdog


OG SUP
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26 Mar 2009 8:08pm
Hi Guys,

The simple fact is that everyone that surfs the board is a different height weight proportion and surfs in different styles. The fins that come with the 11fter and the 10'6 PSH work really well for most people.

What we are talking about is improving the performance for our own specific needs.

I tried the internal foil GR5 set up yesterday on the 11 and I can tell you that it is a huge improvement but I am 105kgs. If the same board was ridden by someone and they were 90kgs the GR3 would probably be better.

As allarounder says thats half the fun. Some of my surfboards have taken months to sort out to get the right setup that I am happy with.

On my Website oceangrovestanduppaddle.com i had a complete article on how to improve the performance of the Laird 12fter. It took us almost 4 months to get it right and its a single fin PMSL.

On that board the ballance point is 1900mm from the tail and the best fin is a 8 1/4 Glide cutaway. With the glide fin the 12fter turns on a dime for a board of that size. Again thats what works for me, it may not work for every body!

Happy Supping

Phill

62mac
62mac
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26 Mar 2009 6:40pm
OG SUP said...

Hi Guys,

The simple fact is that everyone that surfs the board is a different height weight proportion and surfs in different styles. The fins that come with the 11fter and the 10'6 PSH work really well for most people.

What we are talking about is improving the performance for our own specific needs.

I tried the internal foil GR5 set up yesterday on the 11 and I can tell you that it is a huge improvement but I am 105kgs. If the same board was ridden by someone and they were 90kgs the GR3 would probably be better.

As allarounder says thats half the fun. Some of my surfboards have taken months to sort out to get the right setup that I am happy with.

On my Website oceangrovestanduppaddle.com i had a complete article on how to improve the performance of the Laird 12fter. It took us almost 4 months to get it right and its a single fin PMSL.

On that board the ballance point is 1900mm from the tail and the best fin is a 8 1/4 Glide cutaway. With the glide fin the 12fter turns on a dime for a board of that size. Again thats what works for me, it may not work for every body!

Happy Supping

Phill



I could not agree more,obviously OG has been surfing for sometime and is BANG ON with his comments,it took me a long time and a few $'s finding what works best for my longboards! mac
OG SUP
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26 Mar 2009 8:49pm
Thanks Robdog,

Your a legend

Here's one of my baby photos lol



Aint she pretty!!!!!!!

My wife says one more board and I will be getting a divorce!!!!!!!!!!!

As I am already a polygamist and interatial ( Munoz, Imperial, Wegener, Wayne Dean, PSH, Laird/Ron House) I am not sure which one I would have to divorce??

Gosh I get confuzzelled some times

Phill
loco4olas
loco4olas
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26 Mar 2009 9:03pm
OG SUP said...

Thanks Robdog,

Your a legend

Here's one of my baby photos lol



Aint she pretty!!!!!!!

My wife says one more board and I will be getting a divorce!!!!!!!!!!!

As I am already a polygamist and interatial ( Munoz, Imperial, Wegener, Wayne Dean, PSH, Laird/Ron House) I am not sure which one I would have to divorce??

Gosh I get confuzzelled some times

Phill



Sheesh-I wish you'd sell me one.
OG SUP
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26 Mar 2009 9:15pm
Hi Loco,
I just looked up local vicco law and it says you cant sell wives but apparently you can swap them????

Phill
allrounder
allrounder
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26 Mar 2009 9:32pm
well said OG. it is all about finding the best set up for your self. i do agree that board should come with a better fins. But most people on this forum all can surf and were all looking at it from a performance point off view as we know what a good set off fins can do. But for some one that is a starting out the fin set ups are perfect as it doesnt matter that they will destroy the fins and once there ready it time to explore.

OG enjoy your new stick. you will love it
Drewsta.
Drewsta.
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185 posts
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26 Mar 2009 9:16pm
Cheers for the replys. I too agree that a top end board should come with top end fins but most people will change em out for something they prefer. Wanted to get Blanes input cos i don't want to spend $100's of dollars on fins before finding the right set up..
OG SUP
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26 Mar 2009 10:37pm
Hey Drewsta,

The setup that Robdog has works really well. I tried it in really challenging conditions at low tide 13th with 20kn+ offshore and got some really nice rides. Set up as a thruster as Robdog has his the board is really loose and also seems to nose ride extremely well and I really dont have any skill in that area at all.

The orginal post i put up about FG5 etc is what Blane sent me when I asked the question.

Just a suggestion, I asked around people that I knew and found a set of FG5s that someone had and bought them for $40 (rrp $110 ish). Most people have a few sets of different fins that they have tried and didnt work for them and they are happy for you to try out and or buy them just to get rid of them.

Phill

mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
27 Mar 2009 9:26am
I agree with Rodkite, spend big bucks on a sup, expect that the fins will provide plenty of service for at least the first year. At the risk of sounding ignorant with all you "fin-swappers" out there, I have a question: I bought the 9'8" Starboard recently (love it, great for my size, 174 cm & 73kg), & set the centre fin as far forward (towards the nose) as it would go, as my understanding is that this would provide the loosest set-up for the small reefies we ride around Cottesloe. I'm thinking that I'll push it towards the back when i go down south (although on my first surf with it took it out south of Margs in head-high fat surf with the current set-up---seemed ok). However, one of my fellow Cottesloe SUPers reckons the board will be looser with the centre fin positioned towards the tail??!! I noticed that Robdog has his in the centre position. Any comments?? Ta!
rik
rik
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rik rik
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28 Mar 2009 7:05pm
Hey Blane
Got my 9.8" today looks soooo Good . Question 4 U . Have U ever pulled a production board out off it's wrapping & put it together ? WTF FFF . Not only (as already said ) are the fins Shhh iiiit, so are the boxes and the fins that come with it don't even fit the boxes. The centre box is shi?-ing me to tears - Way Not Good enough when you want to put an A quality fcs / future / mfc fin , or any old **** from 1975 I still have . I have to pack out the bases , tape up the side to get a reasonable fit. The out side thruster set up appears good , but don't go too hard on tightening though , the fcs key supplied is a ****teenth too small so u will strip the hex head way before it is secure enough. Its like buying a Lambourghini with retreads!! If they are such good quality fins supplied with the board, and you back this up, I am going to speak with the retailer I deal with and see if they will swap them for another "high quality" fin.
B Chambers
B Chambers
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29 Mar 2009 1:39am
Everything you have mentioned has been addressed to the factory and we are working hard at getting better fins etc.

Yes, I have put together hundreds of boards. On some of them there is debris from the factory in that FCS allen screw head that don't allow the fin key to go all the way in deep. I have seen a loose key before but its not on all of them.

Center fin pins are different sizes and our center fin boxes are the strongest there are out there. The pin not sliding in can be remedied by taking a rubber hammer, piece of wood etc and tapping the fin in to place. Don't worry about hurting the box. The channel for the fin pin could be small for certain fin brands and it may need to be cleaned out which can be done by tapping the fin into place.

For side to side slop in the center fin we use drinking straw or plastic etc to shim it. Again, some fins are looser than others. I have fins that are to tight I have to sand to get them in.

All these issues are being addressed and we are striving to make our boards better and better. We're not sitting around saying F*** it. We want you guys to be stoked!! ISSUES BEING ADDRESSED and this post has been sent to the factory...

No excuses. We're working on all the issues. It's all part of doing production and working these things out for the better. Feed back from customers is all important. When I shape a board and it comes out working unreal then have something like a stripped fin screw it f---ing pisses me off!!! Trust me, the factory hears it from me!
rik
rik
NSW
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rik rik
NSW, 89 posts
29 Mar 2009 9:16am
Hey Blane
I must mention after sorting the fins out , I had 2hours of total stoke suping this board, Its a bit like cheating , stable , paddles in well & surfs insane .
Well done
Rik
Surfrod66
Surfrod66
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29 Mar 2009 10:04am
Hay Rik how did you go with the retailer? sorting out your fins!!
rik
rik
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rik rik
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29 Mar 2009 11:02am
You,re right Rod, Looks like i will just have to shed the $ 150 or so [}:)]
Rik
AA
AA
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AA AA
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29 Mar 2009 1:29pm
Rik, the fins supplied are being upgraded but it is a catch-22 situation as many of our customers already have decent fin sets and don't want to pay an extra $120+ for a decent fin up-grade, so we have made it an optional upgrade. Talk to your dealer or drop me a PM.

PSH's approach is to supply fins that surf well for the average rider in waves up to chest height.
If you want to up-grade you need a fin set suited to your size, style and the waves you ride. There is no magic combo suited to everyone, but we do have recommendations that work really well for most people. These have been passed on to the dealers. We will continue to offer it as an up-grade so it does not force everyone to purchase them.

We fit FUTURES centre fins on a daily basis to Blanes boards and change the side bites regularly. What I have found helps when changing any side-bites is to push down firmly with the ALLEN KEY when adjusting the thumb screw.

Blane does everything he can to produce the best board possible and we do our best to supply them here at or below what it would cost to buy in the US. To do this we have taken the fin-upgrade option. I know this will not please everyone but it does seem to please the majority for now.

We welcome any more feedback and will continue to bring you the best that Blane can produce at the best price possible.

Andrew.A



Andrew.A

nev
nev
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nev nev
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29 Mar 2009 10:09pm
This is crazy stuff, $2000 boards from a factory in China should come with good fins, not moulded plastic rubbish. Other brands can do it from more expensive factories(cobra/Thailand) PSH should be able to.
AA
AA
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AA AA
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29 Mar 2009 10:37pm
They do. It is an optional upgrade which brings the price of PSH up to the board brands you mentioned.

This allows us to customise the fin set up to the rider and where and how he surfs as opposed to making assumptions.

Andrew.A
OG SUP
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29 Mar 2009 11:16pm
Good evening all,

I recently ( last Thursday) purchased one of Blanes boards. Now i did my research and tried 13 different boards before I made the final choice.

I had heaps of help and advice from the guys on Seabrease and for that I am greatfull as I saved a lot of time and money.

Trust me when I say I am not going to the surfing Olympics, I am totaly Joe Average on an sup and my dimentions are 105kg and 6ft tall. I have just gone from a Laird 12'1 to a PSH 10'6 wide in one jump because on Blanes boards I can.

The value in the PSH (from experience) is the way it rides, its stability, its quality and its performance. I paid for and got the best and then some. I would have been happy to pay more for the board to get the smile on my face after Saturday morning and it was bad conditions closing out.

The fins supplied work really well, no questions asked, again I am talking from experience as I have surfed 3 of his boards with them in: 10'6 All Arounder, 10'6 Wide All Arounder, 11ft Wide All Arounder.

I surfed the 11 Wide in OH to OH x 1.5 with the origional fins and it rips.

I wonder whether any of the guys questioning the fins have even SUPED a PSH board with the supplied fins???

Blane your shapes ROCK and people that will appreciate your boards wont care about what fins come with them. The upgrade option is a smart thing, stick to your plan mate Aloha from down under!


Phill.









Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
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29 Mar 2009 10:59pm
Hey Don't freak about the fins, most production surfboards, windsurfing boards etc are not supplied with quality fins. Keep the fins that come with it and put them on when you sell it later. If you knew how hard it is to make a board, you will appreciate how cheap production sup boards are. Do a comparison;
Production epoxy surfboard 6'2" $1000.
Production epoxy sup 10' $1900
Production kiteboard $1100

Twice the materials and in less numbers, sup boards are a fair price.
OG SUP
OG SUP
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29 Mar 2009 11:36pm
High 5's Scotty Mac
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