Right of way???

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high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
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SA, 1312 posts
19 Jun 2008 2:15pm
Been a newbie to this SUP / surfing caper, I¡¦m not up with all the rules and terminologies, could someone let me know if I may of stuffed up or not?

I paddled onto a wave the other day and was actually riding it when I noticed a young female surfer had caught the same wave after I was on it. She was in between me and where the wave started to break.
Did I have right of way because I was on it first or did she because she was closer to where the wave was breaking?
By the way she was a pelite young lady and didn¡¦t abuse me. She might off thought I would smacked her with my big stick:ƒº

Another one,
Sometimes, I can catch waves earlier than the surfers do. Have I the right to ride in between them while they are sitting on their boards or is that considered a no no?

But there¡¦s more,
I¡¦m on a wave and there is a guy paddling back out. Do I have to get out of his way or does he have to get out of my way?

I certainly don¡¦t want to up set the local surfers if I can help it. Most of them are quite interested in the concept of standing up and catching more waves.

Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
19 Jun 2008 1:08pm
in theroy that wave was yours - first on has right of way AND THEN closest to the peak . Alot of surfers arent aware of this and try the snake - but if you are up and riding first - its yours!
Alot of stand up waves are pretty dribbly and totally share - able - so let everyone know if you are up for a "party wave"

Although let courtesy and good spirit prevail at all times - especially if the rider hasnt caught a wave in a while. Communication is important too - helps maximise wave usage - so if you are sharing a peak decide who will go right , who will go left etc (or if its a party wave) - there will be more waves for all if you do this.


When paddling out - in theory surfers shouldnt paddle thru the break but around it (obviously this doesnt apply in a shifting beachie) - this has long been a source of frustration to me as surfers in the line up (when they could be 5m out on the shoulder) can totally wreck the surfing flow of the rider on the wave. This means Missed reos and missed tubes.

Unfortunatley - in my experience- about 50% of surfers are a bit gormless and arent smart enough to figure this one out and keep paddling thru the lineup... which is nearly as annoying as the whole pack sitting deep and taking off too deep and messing up every good set wave that comes thru - again very frustrating - and a bit of communication can avoid this.


As the rider though you have to give way and ensure the paddler's safety. Maybe some communication can work here.

Again its all about making sure that the limited wave resource is used to its maximum.

the great thing about standup is that you can often get away (to another peak or be clearly the first on the wave) from the frustrating situations outlined above!


DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
19 Jun 2008 3:23pm
I'm sure you'll get different answers to these questions but here's what I think.


Q1...Did I have right of way because I was on it first or did she because she was closer to where the wave was breaking?

IMO..It's the person closest to the breaking part of the wave that has the right of way..even if you caught the wave a mile out to sea..

Well that's the way I look at it..(from a windsurfing/SUP'ing point of view)..I'm sure most surfers see it different and think the first on the wave it's there's.

If I ever see someone between me and the breaking part of the wave I either get off the wave or stay well away from them and ride the shoulder if possible..and hope they fall off..


Q2...Do I have the right to ride in between them while they are sitting on their boards or is that considered a no no?

IMO..Yeah...Go for it....as long as you are in control and you don't go too close to them.


Q3...Do I have to get out of his way or does he have to get out of my way?

IMO..You should avoid them..You have the control and speed to manover..They are sitting ducks and can only hope that you miss them..


Good on you for asking these questions because they're very important ones..

DJ






ChrisMcC
ChrisMcC
NSW
667 posts
NSW, 667 posts
19 Jun 2008 4:00pm
And leggies are a must when in a break with other surfers ....
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
20 Jun 2008 8:17am
Thanks for the feedback guys.
jethro2
jethro2
QLD
69 posts
QLD, 69 posts
20 Jun 2008 12:56pm
Q1 The rule is, first on, it's your wave and a surfer sitting on the inside shouldn't snake you (bad karma). Having said that, some surfers seeing a SUP sitting out on the shoulder and getting in early see them as wasting the critical part of the wave.
So if they call you off nicely, get off.

Q2 Go for it, but be careful. Don't make a dick of yourself

Q3 The rule is a surfer paddling out should not impede a surfer on a wave or spoil his line ie. paddle towards the white water.(if it means copping a pounding, so be it). Lets face it, you would have to be a fool to risk getting run down by a SUP board.

The best advise is to find a place away from the crowds
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
20 Jun 2008 1:30pm
Thanks J2,
The best advise is to find a place away from the crowds

I take your point and do, but the SUP seems to be a magnet. I move around a fair bit but the surfers seem to follow.
There are always a lot of learner surfers as well at the beach I'm learning at.
They must think because I'm getting heaps more waves I'm in the right spot, they are just like sheep.

Could you please explain the sections of a wave like the shoulder.
Is there a surfers terminology for where the wave is starting to break?


Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
20 Jun 2008 1:12pm
When the swell starts to stand up at the highest point this is called the peak.
The shoulder is the face of the wave which hasnt broken yet.
The greenroom is where you wanna be
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
20 Jun 2008 5:54pm
Tread very carefully at margaret river, out at a solid reef break like that they excpect you to know what your doing, if you dropped in out there or endangered someone ive seen all sorts of outcomes in the carpark. But your question about who should get out of your way, really when your riding a wave everyone should get out of your way, whether they are paddeling back out or whatever, all good surfers can duckdive deep and will have no trouble avoiding you. The trouble begins if you get a novice surfer and novice sup in the same spot at the same time. When i am surfing my sup i am actually surfing no matter what board im on and treat it as such, i will split the lineup if crew dont move and do long drawn out turns around them, they soon know you are competent and start feeling comfortable around you and trust you not to kook it and have big bertha bearing down on them outa control
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
20 Jun 2008 9:06pm
Hey Ian , didnt see you at Bridgy that day, did you still go ? What beach is that you are learning at? Check out the swell for later in the week
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
20 Jun 2008 10:08pm
Brooko said...

But your question about who should get out of your way, really when your riding a wave everyone should get out of your way, whether they are paddeling back out or whatever, all good surfers can duckdive deep and will have no trouble avoiding you.

Same with windsurfing. If Im coming in on a wave and your on a windsurfer heading out, you better get your arse as far downwind as possible so I can smack the sh1t outta that wave! And if your a surfer sitting in the lineup amongst windsurfers in a seabreeze, your like a sitting duck. And your a frigin dumb ass for paddling out in the first place. Thats why signs on the paths down to popular windsurf beachs say "WINDSURFERS FREQUENT AREA"
But this usually never botheres me as at my local there are never any surfers surfing while us windsurfers are out to play.
As for SUPing. You need to consider yourself as just another surfer who needs to play by the same rules.
Good luck and most of all smile and have fun. Leave your attitude and agro back at the club
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
20 Jun 2008 11:53pm
kiteboarders give way to everyone.
windsurfers and stand ups give way to surfers.
high as a kite
high as a kite
SA
1312 posts
SA, 1312 posts
21 Jun 2008 12:08pm
Brooko,
Yeah I did go to Bridgy the other Sunday. I met the other guy that SUP's over there, I think his name is Pete from memory.
Went out for awhile but it was pretty ****ty. Went back to Browns Bay near Port Mac and had a ball. Can't wait until I'm good enough to hit Pebbles. Pete tells me he use to surf Pebbles years ago.

Had a quick paddle this morning, bit choppy. The winds starting to kick in so I'm off the pump up a kite and smack a few more waves.

Yeah, the swell looks the goods later in the week, feel a sicky coming on.

Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
21 Jun 2008 11:10am
Yeah it did look a bit ****ty that day , didnt get there till lunch time, pete would have been excited to see another sup , did he say i was out the day before ? his son is on the wqs world surf tour rips the place apart, the swell looks awesome for later in the week
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