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Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
9 Aug 2010 10:24pm
Last time I was home the GF's brother showed me his high powered lights that he uses for his night time mountain biking. Amazing. Anyway its been bugging me for a while so I dropped the manufactuer an email and got the following response

"Check out our website some more you will find that our lights are waterproof. Obviously salt water will get into everything a lot quicker than freshwater.

The UltraLite kit with the head-torch accessories would be what you needed J_"

So before I head off and spend the hard earned on some lights I thought I would ask around and see if anyone else has used anything similar or has any ideas.

Their product can be seen at www.ayup-lights.com/

Maybe this could be the ticket for small sessions at the Bower with no crowds! Or maybe Dee Why point with all the lights off the pool.

Any info / ideas / help would be much appreciated.



kyron
kyron
TAS
209 posts
TAS, 209 posts
10 Aug 2010 3:43am
I have also been searching high and low, the best thing I found was custom built dive lights but at a $1600 starting price I decided a full moon and the tennis court lights right near the beach near my place on the high tide were sufficient ! had a couple of mad sessions already!
Ted the Kiwi said...

Last time I was home the GF's brother showed me his high powered lights that he uses for his night time mountain biking. Amazing. Anyway its been bugging me for a while so I dropped the manufactuer an email and got the following response

"Check out our website some more you will find that our lights are waterproof. Obviously salt water will get into everything a lot quicker than freshwater.

The UltraLite kit with the head-torch accessories would be what you needed J_"

So before I head off and spend the hard earned on some lights I thought I would ask around and see if anyone else has used anything similar or has any ideas.

Their product can be seen at www.ayup-lights.com/

Maybe this could be the ticket for small sessions at the Bower with no crowds! Or maybe Dee Why point with all the lights off the pool.

Any info / ideas / help would be much appreciated.






Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
10 Aug 2010 8:46am
I kind of thought that Sharks are quite inquisitive creatures.... perhaps attracted to unusual lights at night !! ??? But don't let that hold you back !!
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
10 Aug 2010 8:59am
I have had several conversations about this very topic with a certain surf instructor in the past who was intent on doing the night sup thing (and did) and my feelings about it have not and will not change. In my opinion it is careless and reckless and dangerous and just serves to add to the bloody awful reputation that sup already has in the wider surf community. Why don't we take positive steps toward making sup more accepted in the community and getting more people involved with the fun and family appeal for the sport and spend less energy in trying to come up with ways of looking like dicks and putting yourselves and the sport in jeopardy.
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
10 Aug 2010 9:06am
I don't disagree with you Billboard, but have you had your morning coffee yet, to chipper you up a little !

I've been night surfing at Queenscliff (NSW) a few times (10 years back), but not with great success. It's hard to see the approaching waves..... there's a half reasonable spot light up over the ocean pool.
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
10 Aug 2010 9:15am
Simondo said...

I don't disagree with you Billboard, but have you had your morning coffee yet, to chipper you up a little !

I've been night surfing at Queenscliff (NSW) a few times (10 years back), but not with great success. It's hard to see the approaching waves..... there's a half reasonable spot light up over the ocean pool.


Funny you say that - I am just about to take the dog for a walk up to the local cafe for an extra large double shot !!
Couldn't help expressing my thoughts on this one. I am just quite passionate about the people who are intent on rubbing sup in peoples faces rather than trying to get it more accepted. We have a massive sup community up here on the Goldy and trust me thats a lot of people being hated by an even more massive general surf community. I thinks its ok to try new stuff and experiment but do it on the quiet and don't make an issue of it and then it can't hurt the sport as a whole.

Now wheres that bloody dog - think this may require a triple shot
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
10 Aug 2010 8:21am
went out for a paddle into the dark pitch black abyss on the indian ocean, glass with a gentle swell rolling underneath, no lights. (just distant street lights to remind me where the coast was), no surfing , just paddling.

it's too spooky, heart in your mouth, your sences go electric.

a must try experience.
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
10 Aug 2010 10:27am
WINDY MILLER said...

went out for a paddle into the dark pitch black abyss on the indian ocean, glass with a gentle swell rolling underneath, no lights. (just distant street lights to remind me where the coast was), no surfing , just paddling.

it's too spooky, heart in your mouth, your sences go electric.

a must try experience.


Yep - I'm with windy - everyone who wants to night sup go to WA and give it a go
Actually some genius in SA will probably come up with night cage supping - which is highly recommended in SA I believe.
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
10 Aug 2010 10:38am
Hi BB,

It wasnt until earlier this year when I went to the GC again that I realized just how crowded it can get. The pressure on the surfing resource ( waves peaks etc) in your area is extreme when compared to where I live, i would think 10x.

I have to ask do other surfers actually "hate" suppers on the GC?

Originally down here sup was seen as a total joke, then it was seen as it will only last 5 mins, then there was they will always be kooks riding 12ft boards, now people who surf sups well are accepted and work in well with others in the line up.

In some cases the sups are tackling more remote waves and quite challanging waves that normally were not thought of as accessable.

Is it newbies causing grief or experienced riders who dominate peaks cuasing the problem on the GC or is it the over crowding that would cause this issue with anyone new to the water?


Interested to hear your thoughts.

Phill
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
10 Aug 2010 11:12am
Hi Phill. The problem is that suppers here DO NOT seek out quieter or more remote spots to surf - they pretty much all head to the one spot which is already packed to the rafters with every other sort of surfcraft. I am not saying that they shouldn't be there, its just the way it is.
I believe the crux of the problem is that a large majority of sup surfers do not come from a surfing background and as such do not have any knowledge or respect of how lineups work and they either do not know or care how to co-exist in the already over-crowded point breaks on the gold coast and other places along the east coast. I personally very rarely sup these spots and only then very early before the crowd hits and then I get out or move well away. I have some more remote spots not too far away that I frequent on my sup and even though the waves may not be as perfect I always have a blast and rarely have any dramas with other surfers. The other thing I notice now is that I am mainly back on a longboard that I get more people asking me about sup because they see me mixing it up on a surfboard and a sup and I guess just accept me as a surfer who uses different boards rather than just another supper hogging all the waves and getting in the way.
Its kinda like when I used to ride my mal in amongst the local shortboarders and they gave me so much grief even though I went ok but a week later I would go out on a shortboard and be totally kooking it and surfing like crap, but they accepted me cos I wasnt on a mal surfers are strange critters but very very predictable so I suppose we all just have to learn how to co-exist and try to educate those new to sup about how to integrate and not alienate.


towball
towball
4634 posts
4634 posts
10 Aug 2010 10:00am
I'm shore Gizzie will have somthing to say about this ,we paddle out inthe dark each morning ,somedays we get akicking it is hard to judge what a wave is going to do or where it is going to brake ,I don't think having a light would help unless you have a flood light on a chopper . Some might call us stupid may be we have ,been doing this for two to three years now no problems.
Whats this got to do with peoples dislike of SUPPING? Nothing!
TB
tha dogman
tha dogman
NSW
2912 posts
NSW, 2912 posts
10 Aug 2010 12:04pm
night sup

lots of fun just strap a dolphin torch to ya melon and off ya go

Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
10 Aug 2010 1:13pm
Some interesting replies in there..........

Essentially I guess I am just trying to extend my day a bit more. If I do not leave home by 6:30am the drive to work takes 1hr 25 instead of 35 mins.......so I leave after 9am or work from home. However these days I am having to spend more days in the office than I would like which means I need to find some daylight alternative.

Quiet often I am one of the first out already on my shortboard or the SUP in the mornings when its good - often whilst still just dark. I also note that the kayak crew in Sydney harbour are busy out training from 3am most days......so I was thinking that it might be a good way for myself to do some training (not at 3am) more like an hour before sunrise etc and a decent headlight would make things easier than mounting lights etc on a board.




GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
10 Aug 2010 4:39pm
Ted the Kiwi said...

Obviously salt water will get into everything a lot quicker than freshwater.


Really? Why would it matter if it was salt vs fresh water? Salt water is much less friendly with electronics but I would have thought there was no difference in penetration.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
10 Aug 2010 6:09pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

Ted the Kiwi said...

Obviously salt water will get into everything a lot quicker than freshwater.


Really? Why would it matter if it was salt vs fresh water? Salt water is much less friendly with electronics but I would have thought there was no difference in penetration.


Thats what the company told me when they responded - I imagine its because salt water is more corrosive than fresh water.
mbuzz
mbuzz
NSW
261 posts
NSW, 261 posts
10 Aug 2010 6:13pm
billboard said...

Hi Phill. The problem is that suppers here DO NOT seek out quieter or more remote spots to surf - they pretty much all head to the one spot which is already packed to the rafters with every other sort of surfcraft. I am not saying that they shouldn't be there, its just the way it is.
I believe the crux of the problem is that a large majority of sup surfers do not come from a surfing background and as such do not have any knowledge or respect of how lineups work and they either do not know or care how to co-exist in the already over-crowded point breaks on the gold coast and other places along the east coast. I personally very rarely sup these spots and only then very early before the crowd hits and then I get out or move well away. I have some more remote spots not too far away that I frequent on my sup and even though the waves may not be as perfect I always have a blast and rarely have any dramas with other surfers. The other thing I notice now is that I am mainly back on a longboard that I get more people asking me about sup because they see me mixing it up on a surfboard and a sup and I guess just accept me as a surfer who uses different boards rather than just another supper hogging all the waves and getting in the way.
Its kinda like when I used to ride my mal in amongst the local shortboarders and they gave me so much grief even though I went ok but a week later I would go out on a shortboard and be totally kooking it and surfing like crap, but they accepted me cos I wasnt on a mal surfers are strange critters but very very predictable so I suppose we all just have to learn how to co-exist and try to educate those new to sup about how to integrate and not alienate.



It's a hard one to tackle. I have a shortboard, longboard and sup and I love all three, so I always try and hit the uncrowded areas of the beach when I'm on my SUP. Still, you can guarantee that as soon as the surfers see you catch a few waves, they think they're in the wrong spot and all paddle to your stretch. It annoys the hell out of me. Not the sharing, but that they think I'm the nuisance.
GizzieNZ
GizzieNZ
4103 posts
4103 posts
10 Aug 2010 5:05pm
towball said...

I'm shore Gizzie will have somthing to say about this ,we paddle out inthe dark each morning ,somedays we get akicking it is hard to judge what a wave is going to do or where it is going to brake ,I don't think having a light would help unless you have a flood light on a chopper . Some might call us stupid may be we have ,been doing this for two to three years now no problems.
Whats this got to do with peoples dislike of SUPPING? Nothing!
TB


Reckon I might feel like shark bait what with the light shining on the water....sometimes towball & I miscalculate our water entry time & we're sitting there in the dark for 15 minutes b4 we can see what's happening with the wave situation ...but I'm always a bit of a scaredy cat as far as unknown splashes & birds on the water that look like shark fins sort of stuff
GizzieNZ
GizzieNZ
4103 posts
4103 posts
10 Aug 2010 5:20pm
Well the reason towball & I find ourselves out in the surf in the dark is firstly we have jobs to got to an hour later & secondly that 15 minutes later we might find ourselves out in high quality surf with noone else out....
jackforbes
jackforbes
WA
530 posts
WA, 530 posts
10 Aug 2010 5:24pm
I've done a bit of night surfing and kiting (=hard landings)... you're better off making use of what light there is and getting a feel for the change of reflection as a set comes in rather than using a light, as you get a bit tunnel vision.

Did try with a light (head-mounted torch for diving), but it seems to attract small fish, which get eaten by bigger fish... you get the idea.
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
10 Aug 2010 8:38pm
jackforbes said...


Did try with a light (head-mounted torch for diving), but it seems to attract small fish, which get eaten by bigger fish... you get the idea.


Gold !!
Craiggoo
Craiggoo
20 posts
20 posts
10 Aug 2010 7:09pm
While in Raglan last summer, I went out in the harbour at night (around 11pm). It was a dark and moonless night (sounds like the beginning of a novel by Snoopy!). I had a headtorch on for a while, then turned it off and kept paddling. It was incredibly difficult to get any bearings with no lights anywhere and the night sky so dark. One amazing thing was the phosphoresence in the water. Every little ripple off the side of the board had thousands of little lights glowing, and any paddle stroke with a bit of a splash also ended with a spray of glowing particles. It was cool. I went back and got my young daughter on the board as well, and we paddled around for a while. Then we came back and the neighbour said "Is that board yours?" and I said "some of it, not all of it", and he said "do you always help out around here with the paddling?" and I said "some of the time, not all of the time", and then the neighbour he shut all the doors.... oooops, rambling again...
shunter
shunter
WA
441 posts
WA, 441 posts
10 Aug 2010 7:33pm
I have done a fair bit of prone surfing at night without light, nights with a bit of moon light helps heaps..dark moonless nights in the west are pretty spooky but it heightens your senses, every splash, every rustle every bump felt, heard and seen.... as WM said very spooky very whitepointeryyyyyyyy

I dont see a problem with night supping it wouldnt be something I would do on a heavy beach break but on a mellow reefie or point break where you know where the take off is I think it would be fun...Not sure if lights would help but you can get pretty good headlamps the ledH7 lenser is a great, adjustable to spot or flood, not sure if they do a waterproof version.

cheers
WorlSUP
WorlSUP
NSW
83 posts
NSW, 83 posts
10 Aug 2010 10:25pm
Ted the Kiwi said...

Some interesting replies in there..........

Essentially I guess I am just trying to extend my day a bit more. If I do not leave home by 6:30am the drive to work takes 1hr 25 instead of 35 mins.......so I leave after 9am or work from home. However these days I am having to spend more days in the office than I would like which means I need to find some daylight alternative.

Quiet often I am one of the first out already on my shortboard or the SUP in the mornings when its good - often whilst still just dark. I also note that the kayak crew in Sydney harbour are busy out training from 3am most days......so I was thinking that it might be a good way for myself to do some training (not at 3am) more like an hour before sunrise etc and a decent headlight would make things easier than mounting lights etc on a board.







Hey Ted,
The AYUP lights are awesome, I've had them for cycling (both road & mountain for years). I'm sure they would go fine for SUP, not sure you really want to surf with them but great for flat water training, I guess you've seen the head strap mount?
However, depending on where you are paddling you really don't need a good strong light like the AYUP's to show the way, just let your eyes adjust & enjoy the night. You only need something so other water craft can see you (& not run you over). Try the Navi light 360 (http://www.navisafe.net/en/products_360.html), I've been doing some night paddling training and using this on my back & works great. Also most of our OC training is in the dark & we just have a small white light front & back so we don't run over by the tugs or coal ships
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