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CMC
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22 Feb 2010 4:53pm
Here's a hot one for you all.

What is the general consensus at our more popular surf breaks that SUP riders create self exclusion zones to protect others safety? eg no surfing the Alley Rock break etc.

Numerous incidents of late have been bad for relations between SUP and the general surf community. What do you think of the self regulation in Maui led by Laird, Naish, Kalama etc?? People are already working here alerting councils etc to the dangers of these new jumbo sized craft manned by lunatics with sharp paddles.

Could it be a step by the SUP community to demonstrate that we wish to co-exist safely??

And discuss.........
CMC
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22 Feb 2010 4:58pm
I said discuss, not thoughtless thumbs......... Positive or negative what do you think??
Green Tea
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22 Feb 2010 6:03pm
How about exclusive SUP areas? Other craft enter at own risk. First of all make sure you have your internal chip scanned before you enter the water.
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doggie
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22 Feb 2010 3:15pm
As a shortboarder, we dont surf a spot if a SUP is in the water. Ive had to many close calls and Im not interested in getting hit by one.

That said, people should use their gear with due care. Most dont
paul.j
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22 Feb 2010 5:38pm
What happens when the banks change? do the sup's get pushed somewhere else. I ride a board smaller than 90% of the guys out there and if its [pumping of the point i am sure as hell not going to surf the fat shoulders.

My thoughts anyway.

I might be out there in the morning doing some filming if anyone wants to get filmed then get out there.

Cheers Jacko
62mac
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22 Feb 2010 3:48pm
Its a free world and the ocean is part of it, anyone doing the wrong thing should be spoken to and that goes for ALL surf craft. Except someone who is clearly out of their
depth in the skill level department and is a danger to ones self and other water users.They are the ones who should move down the line until they improve.
The issue with most sup's is the size of most boards, five sup's in any lineup makes a crowd at a point break. I got to tell you its not fun prone paddling out when there's two or three sup's coming your way, I just hope that these guy's know what their doing otherwise it will get ugly.Having said that if I saw Jacko coming I would expect him to do a cuttie and spray me

mac

CMC
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22 Feb 2010 5:59pm
Interesting debate huh, looking forward to seeing some more heated for's and againsts. I am not talking about the Alley exclusively either. Fairy Bower, Bells, Pass etc etc.

Keep the thumbs coming also, I have a new app on my apple to track who they are from!!
62mac
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22 Feb 2010 4:04pm
CMC said...

Interesting debate huh,

Keep the thumbs coming also, I have a new app on my apple to track who they are from!!


I gotta have one
Tux
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22 Feb 2010 7:13pm
Why not create seperate one's for boogers, goatboats, mal's, kites, windsurfers...we could get eveyone to wear arm bands with the symbols on them or carry a pass book around.....its a wonder know ones tried something like this before.....

CMC
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22 Feb 2010 6:23pm
Tux said...

Why not create seperate one's for boogers, goatboats, mal's, kites, windsurfers...we could get eveyone to wear arm bands with the symbols on them or carry a pass book around.....its a wonder know ones tried something like this before.....




Because they all require different conditions and rarely share the same lineup??? Just a thought.

What are your thoughts about the Maui thing? Robbie Naish was one of the leaders on this one........ All of you Naish fans, do you dare to blaspheme your god??
ChrisMcC
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22 Feb 2010 7:29pm
In respect of the Alley, from memory we did do something like that during last year's winter with the majority moving down to the banks off Lacey's. Guess what, the banks got better and better down there so all the mals and shortboarders moved there as well.

I don't believe having self imposed exclusion areas will work cause the same people will always scratch their way out to the most populated peak and create mayhem. It's in their nature to be gigantic sets of numb nuts, it's just the way they are. But be buggered if I am going to not surf where I want too just because of numb nuts .... but that doesn't mean I am going to be a gigantic set of numb nuts too.
Th0m0
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22 Feb 2010 7:18pm
CMC said...

Tux said...

Why not create seperate one's for boogers, goatboats, mal's, kites, windsurfers...we could get eveyone to wear arm bands with the symbols on them or carry a pass book around.....its a wonder know ones tried something like this before.....




Because they all require different conditions and rarely share the same lineup??? Just a thought.

What are your thoughts about the Maui thing? Robbie Naish was one of the leaders on this one........ All of you Naish fans, do you dare to blaspheme your god??


Boogers, goatboats and mals rarely share the same lineup? They do in my neck of the woods. Along with surf skis, surf boats and body surfers. I say no to the proposal. What gives shortboarders the right to play god when it comes to waves?
Disclaimer: I did own a Naish board once but Robbie is not my God.
surfanimal
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22 Feb 2010 8:36pm
What a load of bull****.

I'm so totally over this whole you can do this but you can't do that.

If you want to be classified as a true surfer and / or waterman, you surf whatever suits the day and no two days are ever the same.

It's really not rocket science and if you're any good on whatever you ride they'll shut up and show envy and if they mouth off, it really just shows how small minded the brain dead idiots are in the first place.

Get a grip for god's sake !
doggie
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22 Feb 2010 5:54pm
Th0m0 said...

CMC said...

Tux said...

Why not create seperate one's for boogers, goatboats, mal's, kites, windsurfers...we could get eveyone to wear arm bands with the symbols on them or carry a pass book around.....its a wonder know ones tried something like this before.....




Because they all require different conditions and rarely share the same lineup??? Just a thought.

What are your thoughts about the Maui thing? Robbie Naish was one of the leaders on this one........ All of you Naish fans, do you dare to blaspheme your god??


Boogers, goatboats and mals rarely share the same lineup? They do in my neck of the woods. Along with surf skis, surf boats and body surfers. I say no to the proposal. What gives shortboarders the right to play god when it comes to waves?
Disclaimer: I did own a Naish board once but Robbie is not my God.


Why do you mention shortboarders and nobody else Th0m0? I cant remember been hit by a shortie ever (only my own ), but a few close calls with SUPs. Like I said if SUPs are out there we find another spot, not unlike goat boaters they are actually worse but there is less of them.
Th0m0
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22 Feb 2010 8:54pm
Good call Doggie. I guess it is because I could never see shortboarders imposing a self exclusion zone at GOOD break for the benefit of all other wave riders. I have been hit by shortboards, mals and surf skis but never a sup.
CMC
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22 Feb 2010 9:15pm
Now for the point I guess. I personally hate the idea, I read about the Maui thing on another forum and was kind of shocked, it made me wonder what things must have come to over there for those kinds of decisions to be made.

I really just wanted to start some spirited debate and get an idea of what people thought of that kind of thing being applied here, judging by the response, not a popular thought. Let's hope via the actions of a minority that it is never forced upon us.

But SUP is still getting more popular daily. 7:45 this morning and I watch another guy paddle up from Laceys towards the rock break and surf school. He dropped in someone and then fell off, his board missed the guy by no more than a foot. There goes the neighbourhood!

As Mac and Justwrong said above, there are greedy kooks that rip and there are kooks, neither is better than the other they're both just kooks......
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22 Feb 2010 10:22pm
Just Wrong said...

In respect of the Alley, from memory we did do something like that during last year's winter with the majority moving down to the banks off Lacey's. Guess what, the banks got better and better down there so all the mals and shortboarders moved there as well.

I don't believe having self imposed exclusion areas will work cause the same people will always scratch their way out to the most populated peak and create mayhem. It's in their nature to be gigantic sets of numb nuts, it's just the way they are. But be buggered if I am going to not surf where I want too just because of numb nuts .... but that doesn't mean I am going to be a gigantic set of numb nuts too.



in regards to paul and just wrong, yeah, i wont the good waves- not interested in fat pieces of ####. here's is a different take. when casso, goatie, jacko and co and myself(i lucked on to a couple of easy ones) hit some good breakwater to lacey's one sunday, i had guys coming to me for weeks saying they couldn't believe some of the surfing going down- cranking bottom turns and lot of water being thrown around. we all managed to not do any damage, but held our own in a crowd of mostly shortboarders, so that's a plus for sups at the alley that day. imo i don't think anybody on a sup really needs to be right up on the rock. if it's breaking there, there will be other sections of the alley to use
cheers
Bizmanti
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22 Feb 2010 11:26pm
The reason I got into SUP was so I had a craft that I could paddle away from others. Find that uncrowded bank on a open stretch, paddle downwind in the afternoon when the wind is howling.Isn't this one of the real reasons that the whole SUP concept exists. Have paddle, can go far? I've seen a few on SUPS in the lineup, and from watching them I doubt they could even bodysurf the waves they are trying to catch. If you can't even surf a stable mal and turn it out of harms way, what hope have you got on 12 Foot Sup. Maybe more learners should be doing downwinders to get a feel for the ocean, wind and swell, before paddling out at the crowded point breaks thinking, "it looks so easy on you tube."
byronmaui
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23 Feb 2010 5:21am
Aloha from Maui,

My thoughts are what I tell my son It doesn't matter what you ride just as long as you have respect/ettiquette for each other in the water and practice safety. There are no surf breaks designed for only one type or a specific type of rider/vehicle except maybe a shorebreak.

Go and watch kids having fun at the ocean. Most kids don't care what each other is riding. Everything usually gets screwed up when the adults start screaming foul and try to make rules in their favor.

This is just my opinion. As far as exclusive SUP area's on Maui I am not sure how that is working. We go where the surf is and always leave with a big smile.

Mahalo

Byron
JonathanC
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23 Feb 2010 9:07am
Right on Byron .

pmorgan1974
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23 Feb 2010 12:27pm
Great point Byron. Kids have it sussed.

I have surfed my local peak for 20 years, and just started SUP 2 years ago. It comes down to common sense. And unfortunately, the people we are talking about who are out there wrecking havoc on the profile of SUP do not have any.

So creating a SUP zone makes the assumption that these people with very little common sense or respect for those around them in the water will use it. I just cannot see it working.

Retailers, surf schools, instructors can only do so much, but it will always come down to the individual, and some people are kooks in the water, and totally miss the point.

Those with common sense and respect for others just need to out number them I suppose...

goatman
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23 Feb 2010 1:00pm
Well said Peter, the surf seems to 'self regulate' fairly well.
Kauaifiveo
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23 Feb 2010 11:10am
Byron. Is there a exclusion zone on Maui? Over here on Kauai, some of the Hanalei guys tried to make a push to keep SUPs out of Hanalei. They organized a meeting with DLNR and were out numbered big time by us SUP riders. Needless to say, they didnt get the regulation!
jedijunglsno
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23 Feb 2010 2:10pm
Ha ha! Was just reading this thread talking about SUPs getting in the way, then the banner above is inviting me to drop in Occy!! Too funny...
CMC
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23 Feb 2010 3:30pm
byronmaui said...

Aloha from Maui,

My thoughts are what I tell my son It doesn't matter what you ride just as long as you have respect/ettiquette for each other in the water and practice safety. There are no surf breaks designed for only one type or a specific type of rider/vehicle except maybe a shorebreak.

Go and watch kids having fun at the ocean. Most kids don't care what each other is riding. Everything usually gets screwed up when the adults start screaming foul and try to make rules in their favor.

This is just my opinion. As far as exclusive SUP area's on Maui I am not sure how that is working. We go where the surf is and always leave with a big smile.

Mahalo

Byron



Byron, I had heard that the SUP riders themselves had vowed not to ride Honolua and Hookipa among others. Is it working or are spots you would avoid anyway?
sunnySUP
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23 Feb 2010 3:47pm
Can someone pls explain why I would be more of a danger on my 9ft sup and the sheila (or bloke for that matter) surfing a 9ft mal would not be?
doggie
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23 Feb 2010 2:10pm
Th0m0 said...

Good call Doggie. I guess it is because I could never see shortboarders imposing a self exclusion zone at GOOD break for the benefit of all other wave riders. I have been hit by shortboards, mals and surf skis but never a sup.


A good break for who?(It shouldnt matter what type of wave it is) I think it harks back to the end user, Ive seen twits on shortboards with no leashes ect but the problen with SUPs & longboards is the reach they have when the rider is off the board. A 9ft mal with a 8ft leash is 17ft.
My shorty 6,4 with a 6ft leash is 12,4ft thats a lot of difference. Staying out of the way is difficult to say the least.
In saying that I got belted in the head by a mal rider that was still on the board going over the falls, it wasnt very nice. BTW Im ok
Legion
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23 Feb 2010 2:20pm
sunnySUP said...

Can someone pls explain why I would be more of a danger on my 9ft sup and the sheila (or bloke for that matter) surfing a 9ft mal would not be?

From what I've seen, SUP riders have a lower skill level than a lot of old mal riders, are more aggressive in terms of catching waves, are more interested in looking after their paddles when they wipe out. At least where I go.

Mal riders have realised their shortcomings and have a few breaks that they go to. I stay away from them too.

Also SUPs have a much higher volume and weight than a mal, not that I'd like to get hit by either. And a paddle is just one more thing to watch out for.
Legion
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23 Feb 2010 2:24pm
Th0m0 said...

Good call Doggie. I guess it is because I could never see shortboarders imposing a self exclusion zone at GOOD break for the benefit of all other wave riders. I have been hit by shortboards, mals and surf skis but never a sup.


Shortboards do around here. There are certain waves that are dominated by mals and you'll rarely see a shortboard out there. There are other waves that are dominated by boogers and you'll rarely see a shortboard out there.
62mac
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23 Feb 2010 2:30pm
Party Pooper here [}:)]

Why make a BIG DEAL out of it,its sounds like an episode of day's of our life's.Go out enjoy yourself and respect others,end of story
62mac
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23 Feb 2010 2:33pm
doggie said...

In saying that I got belted in the head by a mal rider that was still on the board going over the falls, it wasnt very nice. BTW Im ok


Did it knock any sense into ya doggie
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