Stand up paddling and the middle ear.

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gumballs
gumballs
NSW
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NSW, 408 posts
18 Feb 2012 2:10am
O.K. I've been SUP'ing for about 16 months now at least a few times a week and have gone from unable to stand for more than a few minutes to now being able to standup indefinatly in choppy,windy conditions.Its not so much the fact that I've improved that interests me its the way it has happened.I was always getting a little better with the more experience but not leaps and bounds then one day I woke up and "BANG"I was paddling around like a champion,cutting off waves and paddling through choppy rips,turning surf stance to get over foamies and standing around out the back like I do at the bar sometimes.I've just recently experienced another explosive step forward and its got me thinking why?I've heard of sailors taking days or weeks before they get their sea legs and I couldn't help wondering if this is similar.From what I know the middle ear(semi circular canal)is what controls our balance and it takes time to adjust to certain conditions.Has anyone else experienced these miraculas bursts of improvment Im sure there's a few sailors out there that would understand my line of thought,any doctors or profesional trainers or anyone with any input into this I would love to read your thoughts.
kourgen
kourgen
NSW
19 posts
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18 Feb 2012 5:57am
I think its more to do with repetitious trainging. When you start supping your core and legs are getting conditioned and start to develop more. The more you sup or the more you use these muscles the easier it becomes. Both my ears are wrecked so im not sure sure that my middle ear has helped my sea legs. cheers
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
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18 Feb 2012 7:50am
kourgen said...

...your core and legs are getting conditioned and start to develop more. The more you sup or the more you use these muscles the easier it becomes.


Proprioceptors too.

see www.verywellfit.com/what-are-the-proprioceptors-3120368

The VIP
The VIP
QLD
69 posts
QLD, 69 posts
18 Feb 2012 10:50am
Interesting to hear some thoughts on this. I had a brain tumour(not cancerous) in this part of my brain, when i started supping about 2 years ago i could go for about 3 minutes in the flatwater before falling off. Over time my balance on water has improved but very slowly-no sudden increases just gradual improvement(balance on land is about the same tho) I also found that when i first started any turning or distubance in the water would send me into the drink but that has slowly improved and i'm at the point now where i can even turn on a wave no problem. I had an enforced lay off for amonth about a year ago and when i started again it was like starting over again ,but thankfully only took 2 or 3 days to get back to where i was.1 thing i have learned tho is to keep the ears clear of any wax build up-if i don't my balance gets a bit suss but cleaning out the wax gets me going again for the next day.
gumballs
gumballs
NSW
408 posts
NSW, 408 posts
18 Feb 2012 3:31pm
I understand that the more I SUP the more my muscles,joints ect..will become acustom to the workload but I just couldn't help wondering about the middle ear and now these proprioceptors because I realy have noticed fast improvement twice now(It's like Microsurf Windows has sent me an upgrade in my sleep)..Anyway thanks for your coments.
Stitch
Stitch
WA
83 posts
WA, 83 posts
18 Feb 2012 1:17pm
This is really interesting and gives me hope. I have only been out a few times now - although I don't expect to be a pro over night, I feel so very far from just getting comfortable. Glad to hear that you suddenly get your sea legs at some point!
TheGoodDr
TheGoodDr
SA
216 posts
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18 Feb 2012 4:43pm
gumballs said...

O.K. I've been SUP'ing for about 16 months now at least a few times a week and have gone from unable to stand for more than a few minutes to now being able to standup indefinatly in choppy,windy conditions.Its not so much the fact that I've improved that interests me its the way it has happened.I was always getting a little better with the more experience but not leaps and bounds then one day I woke up and "BANG"I was paddling around like a champion,cutting off waves and paddling through choppy rips,turning surf stance to get over foamies and standing around out the back like I do at the bar sometimes.I've just recently experienced another explosive step forward and its got me thinking why?I've heard of sailors taking days or weeks before they get their sea legs and I couldn't help wondering if this is similar.From what I know the middle ear(semi circular canal)is what controls our balance and it takes time to adjust to certain conditions.Has anyone else experienced these miraculas bursts of improvment Im sure there's a few sailors out there that would understand my line of thought,any doctors or profesional trainers or anyone with any input into this I would love to read your thoughts.


Hey Gumballs
My experience is very similar to yours and the timeframe also. These days i'm jumping in to cool off
I have no definitive answers but I think its a combination of things.
One of my paddle partners talks about muscle memory, I guess this is the same as learning to ride a bike.
Practice makes perfect.
If you're like me you have probably changed or added to the equipment which I think has had a big impact on stability in the line-up. My first SUP was big and difficult to manoeuvre and this led to lots of falling off, but now I ride shorter, more manageable boards.
I guess another factor is learning what to expect from the board in different circumstances ie. chop/waves hitting from different directions.
I've been doing DWs for a few months now and I reckon this has helped dramatically with general stability in the surf.
When i'm not paddling i'm thinking about it, I wonder if this helps
Sweden
Sweden
NSW
39 posts
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18 Feb 2012 6:50pm
Balance relay on more than just the output from the balance organ (semicircular canals and otolith organs) e.g vision, proprioception, sensation and in a way, muscle strength.

People who, for some reason, loss their function in the balance organ will initially have big problems keeping their balance and can't walk without holding on to something. However, after rehabilitation and years of training, they restore the ability to keep balance. The function of the balance organ is forever gone, but vision, proprioception etc gain in function. Usually, they cant walk in darkness, becource lack of vision.

The function in your middle ear has probably not gained in function, but instead your other senses.

This is totally non-scientific, but one way i think will improve balance is to paddle with the eyes closed.
gumballs
gumballs
NSW
408 posts
NSW, 408 posts
18 Feb 2012 8:50pm
Sweden said...

Balance relay on more than just the output from the balance organ (semicircular canals and otolith organs) e.g vision, proprioception, sensation and in a way, muscle strength.

People who, for some reason, loss their function in the balance organ will initially have big problems keeping their balance and can't walk without holding on to something. However, after rehabilitation and years of training, they restore the ability to keep balance. The function of the balance organ is forever gone, but vision, proprioception etc gain in function. Usually, they cant walk in darkness, becource lack of vision.

The function in your middle ear has probably not gained in function, but instead your other senses.

This is totally non-scientific, but one way i think will improve balance is to paddle with the eyes closed.
Paddle with eyes closed and visualize all the horrorfied looks on the shortboarders faces...

jazbelle
jazbelle
VIC
71 posts
VIC, 71 posts
18 Feb 2012 9:06pm
gumballs said...

O.K. I've been SUP'ing for about 16 months now at least a few times a week and have gone from unable to stand for more than a few minutes to now being able to standup indefinatly in choppy,windy conditions.Its not so much the fact that I've improved that interests me its the way it has happened.I was always getting a little better with the more experience but not leaps and bounds then one day I woke up and "BANG"I was paddling around like a champion,cutting off waves and paddling through choppy rips,turning surf stance to get over foamies and standing around out the back like I do at the bar sometimes.I've just recently experienced another explosive step forward and its got me thinking why?I've heard of sailors taking days or weeks before they get their sea legs and I couldn't help wondering if this is similar.From what I know the middle ear(semi circular canal)is what controls our balance and it takes time to adjust to certain conditions.Has anyone else experienced these miraculas bursts of improvment Im sure there's a few sailors out there that would understand my line of thought,any doctors or profesional trainers or anyone with any input into this I would love to read your thoughts.

Good observation and one l'm going to probably think about if l feel i'm getting nowhere
Sounds like the time on the water was like the loading up of a spring and then '"BANG" there was this sudden break through
Reminds me also of the 4 minute mile and how once it was achieved an invisible barrier was removed so others soon followed
The VIP
The VIP
QLD
69 posts
QLD, 69 posts
18 Feb 2012 8:09pm
Or in my case wear a shirt which says..."VISION IMPAIRED PERSON"
gumballs said...

Sweden said...

Balance relay on more than just the output from the balance organ (semicircular canals and otolith organs) e.g vision, proprioception, sensation and in a way, muscle strength.

People who, for some reason, loss their function in the balance organ will initially have big problems keeping their balance and can't walk without holding on to something. However, after rehabilitation and years of training, they restore the ability to keep balance. The function of the balance organ is forever gone, but vision, proprioception etc gain in function. Usually, they cant walk in darkness, becource lack of vision.

The function in your middle ear has probably not gained in function, but instead your other senses.

This is totally non-scientific, but one way i think will improve balance is to paddle with the eyes closed.
Paddle with eyes closed and visualize all the horrorfied looks on the shortboarders faces...




gumballs
gumballs
NSW
408 posts
NSW, 408 posts
18 Feb 2012 9:16pm
TheBlindman said...

Or in my case wear a shirt which says..."VISION IMPAIRED PERSON"
gumballs said...

Sweden said...

Balance relay on more than just the output from the balance organ (semicircular canals and otolith organs) e.g vision, proprioception, sensation and in a way, muscle strength.

People who, for some reason, loss their function in the balance organ will initially have big problems keeping their balance and can't walk without holding on to something. However, after rehabilitation and years of training, they restore the ability to keep balance. The function of the balance organ is forever gone, but vision, proprioception etc gain in function. Usually, they cant walk in darkness, becource lack of vision.

The function in your middle ear has probably not gained in function, but instead your other senses.

This is totally non-scientific, but one way i think will improve balance is to paddle with the eyes closed.
Paddle with eyes closed and visualize all the horrorfied looks on the shortboarders faces...





Maybe wear dark glasses and paint the paddle shaft white>

The VIP
The VIP
QLD
69 posts
QLD, 69 posts
18 Feb 2012 8:22pm
Maybe i need to get a guide dog and train it to surf with me!!!
gumballs
gumballs
NSW
408 posts
NSW, 408 posts
19 Feb 2012 2:18pm
That reminds me of an add that was on TV where a guy walks into a pub with his little dog and the barman says no dogs allowed and he says its a guide dog mate and the barman says guide dogs are labradores and the guy says well what have they given me..I thought it was funny any way>
jenkz
jenkz
WA
793 posts
WA, 793 posts
19 Feb 2012 3:51pm
gumballs said...

O.K. I've been SUP'ing for about 16 months now at least a few times a week and have gone from unable to stand for more than a few minutes to now being able to standup indefinatly in choppy,windy conditions.Its not so much the fact that I've improved that interests me its the way it has happened.I was always getting a little better with the more experience but not leaps and bounds then one day I woke up and "BANG"I was paddling around like a champion,cutting off waves and paddling through choppy rips,turning surf stance to get over foamies and standing around out the back like I do at the bar sometimes.I've just recently experienced another explosive step forward and its got me thinking why?I've heard of sailors taking days or weeks before they get their sea legs and I couldn't help wondering if this is similar.From what I know the middle ear(semi circular canal)is what controls our balance and it takes time to adjust to certain conditions.Has anyone else experienced these miraculas bursts of improvment Im sure there's a few sailors out there that would understand my line of thought,any doctors or profesional trainers or anyone with any input into this I would love to read your thoughts.


Will let you know in a months time when I'm allowed back on the water. Having surgery this week on Exostoses, and also having a prothesis fitted in middle ear as well as a eardrum graft. I could be back to being a kook again.
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