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CMC
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20 Jun 2013 6:27pm
http://www.swellnet.com.au/news/3694-surfers-call-in-police-to-end-conflict-zone-on-gold-coast


The Surf Council has today demanded that Water Police are called in to manage famous Gold Coast surf break and National Surfing Reserve Currumbin Alley, after successive requests to the Queensland Government have failed.

"How many surfers lives have to be lost before local Tourism Minister Jann Stuckey and State Transport Minister Scott Emerson act on what is certainly another fatality waiting to happen," Dan Ware Chairman of Gold Coast Surf Council said today from the world surfing capital.

In 2011 local surfer Richard King was killed while surfing when struck by a vessel crossing the Currumbin bar. On Saturday 8 June 2013 at approximately 5.45am local surfer and Bond University Professor Chris Del Mar was struck by a vessel crossing Currumbin Bar which failed to stop after the 'hit and run' incident. Del Mar survived, however while he formally reported the matter both to the Broadbeach Police Station and Maritime Safety Queensland, he has had no response to date.

The GCSC (Gold Coast Surf Council) have raised these issues with both Currrumbin MP Minister Stuckey and Transport Minster Emerson, who both continue to ignore the problem and seek to shift responsibility to Gold Coast City Council.

GCSC has reviewed both the findings of the Queensland Transport investigation into the death of Richard King and media statements made by Minister Stuckey and the Volunteer Marine Rescue at the time of the incident. All sources of information indicate that without meaningful action from Queensland State Government more lives will be lost.

Local Surfers lives are threatened by vessels regularly exceeding the 6 knot speed limit both on crossing the bar and within 30 meters of people in the water. Further to this there is little if any evidence of any enforcement activity-taking place by Queensland Water Police or Queensland Transport.

GCSC demands immediate action from the Queensland Government to protect the safety of surfers at the famous Currumbin Alley, which is also a National Surfing Reserve. The Queensland Government must immediately increase enforcement of speed limits and commence a trial of safety initiatives such as increasing the powers of lifeguards, compulsory sounding of warning horns by vessels, education and competency certification for recreational vessel operators using the area.

"Surfers have a reasonable expectation to safely use the 'Alley' and it is negligent of Ministers Stuckey and Emerson to dismiss their legal duty of care, which continues to endanger the lives of our friends and families," added Co-Chair Brad Farmer.

Gold Coast Surf Council (GCSC) was established in December 2012 to advocate to all three levels of government, for the interests of the surfing community.
boardbumps
boardbumps
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20 Jun 2013 7:03pm
Yeah we have an ongoing problem down here as well.

Just one boatie, a NEW local who just won't respect the speed limit at all.

His excuse is that it is a boat ramp within a wave zone and you have to go fast to escape the waves.

We have tried Social Policing (Looking after your own backyard, politely).

Our response now is too report him every time he takes his boat out.

The water police in NSW take a very dim view of boat owners with serial complaints lodged against them.

You have to take action against the minority of negligent boat owners.

My favourite surf spot has a boat access point, so I see boat ramp stupidity all the time.
husq2100
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20 Jun 2013 7:28pm
I was a bit disappointed to see the VMR doing some high speed circuits in the gutter along the front of Laceys, starting from in front of the groin and back, on Sunday. Hard to see much done when those that are meant to be the sensible ones aren't following the rules or using common sense. Then again that is pretty thin on the ground across the board at the Alley.
Piros
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20 Jun 2013 9:21pm
This is a hard call , firstly as a surfer yeah stop the power boats but secondly as a boatie , Tally creek is impassable , that leaves Tweed Bar which closes out or the Southport Seaway miles away. The Alley can be safely negotiated in a boat dodging the surf zone if you surf there and know when the sand has shifted , but unfortunately alot of boaties don't surf. Plus alot of pro fisherman who know the channel well fish out of here.The Alley is the official Zoo of the Gold Coast , power boats , outriggers , surf boats , clubbie skies & mals , goat boats , short boarders , mals , surf schools , tow in kooks , wind & kite surfers ,Sup surfers and racers.

If you are going to get run over by something this is the spot. Re the VMR they need to train rookies , I have seen some hopeless efforts whilst training....I don't have the answer.
rockmagnet
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20 Jun 2013 10:44pm
Same in Tallebudgera creek.I take my nervous wife for a paddle and boaties totally ignore the 6 knot rule and the close proximity rule. I don't know why power boats are allowed in such a beautiful spot.
momasfolly
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20 Jun 2013 11:19pm
I wont mention the Jet Skis, especially when they have to tow in to the really big 6 foot stuff! Mate of mine got tangled up while paddling in on a SUP. Just crazy.
maxeaus
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20 Jun 2013 11:40pm
Got to say we have a similar risk at Ettalong/box head, mostly the jetskis are out of control these days, I don't know of any other wave where you can have 10 or 20 jetskis going 80KM an hour whilst your attempting to have a surf especially in the summer months.

Boats are also an issue, many weekend warriors don't respect the channel markers, accident waiting to happen all round.

Agreed, you need to report bad behaviour as they use statistics to form policy in regards to the area/s boating policies.
surfershaneA
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21 Jun 2013 7:47am
For starters, a just as sensibe option would be to petition for regulation that all power craft for whatever reason coming into such proximity to swimmers, surfers, divers and other waterways and open ocean users must either be jet driven or have the propeller sheiled by a suitable guard?

There is already legislation regulating the distance jet skis are to be from swimmers etc and Maritime down here seriously enforce the same. Best bet is to report the violations. It would not be hard either for the authorities to check whether a prop is guarded.
markf
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21 Jun 2013 11:09am
Similar problems with Jetskis at the mouth of the Maroochy River on the Sunny Coast. Recently a group of about 6 were having a great laugh circling us in close proximity. Also wave jumping within 10 metres of us. Local Lifeguards indicated we need photo/video evidence, including their craft rego details, before any action can be taken.
scotty100
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21 Jun 2013 11:20am
get hold of John Howard only he can stop the boats
CMC
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21 Jun 2013 12:13pm
Piros said..

This is a hard call , firstly as a surfer yeah stop the power boats but secondly as a boatie , Tally creek is impassable , that leaves Tweed Bar which closes out or the Southport Seaway miles away. The Alley can be safely negotiated in a boat dodging the surf zone if you surf there and know when the sand has shifted , but unfortunately alot of boaties don't surf. Plus alot of pro fisherman who know the channel well fish out of here.The Alley is the official Zoo of the Gold Coast , power boats , outriggers , surf boats , clubbie skies & mals , goat boats , short boarders , mals , surf schools , tow in kooks , wind & kite surfers ,Sup surfers and racers.

If you are going to get run over by something this is the spot. Re the VMR they need to train rookies , I have seen some hopeless efforts whilst training....I don't have the answer.


I agree with you Piros, difficult situation.

However the "stop the boats" was more a play on words than any real desire to stop the boats. My friends cross that bar regularly and as surfers know how to not endanger other surfers lives.

In my and other peoples opinion the sand formation in the creek mouth is a huge factor. The yearly dredging efforts shape how this will look for most of the year. Ask Kelly Margetts or the lifeguards how different approaches to the dredging shape the bar, the beach and how the boats will use the creek mouth. Also how many resuces there will be each Summer.

What is not being done here is two things:

- The VMR or water police are not enforcing the rules for boats

- There is no proper public or lifeguard consultation on the dredging.

Last year my neighbour Dan Ware who is now the Chairman of the Surf Council attended this 'public' consultation and was surprised that nobody from the "Alley Boardriders" or any actual surf user body was invited in any way. This was one of the catalysts for the formation of the Surf Council. Beuracrats only work in Beuracratic ways so this council is the way for surf users to have their say on these matters.

if you look at the way the creek is dredged and have a safe path out of the creek and then ensure that the few irresponsible cowboys follow the laws it should be good for everyone right?

jbshack
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21 Jun 2013 10:17am
I have a question about tow surfers. Wouldn't you still need a observer like and other ski boat? We have a couple who play around in the area and they only ever have the rider. Also all the videos that are shown always only ever have a driver, no observer, wouldn't that be a red flag to a bull to the authorities

I should say i have no issue with Tow surfers but again, i haven't really had to deal with them in the surf as such, yet
jbshack
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21 Jun 2013 10:20am
CMC said..


Piros said..

This is a hard call , firstly as a surfer yeah stop the power boats but secondly as a boatie , Tally creek is impassable , that leaves Tweed Bar which closes out or the Southport Seaway miles away. The Alley can be safely negotiated in a boat dodging the surf zone if you surf there and know when the sand has shifted , but unfortunately alot of boaties don't surf. Plus alot of pro fisherman who know the channel well fish out of here.The Alley is the official Zoo of the Gold Coast , power boats , outriggers , surf boats , clubbie skies & mals , goat boats , short boarders , mals , surf schools , tow in kooks , wind & kite surfers ,Sup surfers and racers.

If you are going to get run over by something this is the spot. Re the VMR they need to train rookies , I have seen some hopeless efforts whilst training....I don't have the answer.



I agree with you Piros, difficult situation.

However the "stop the boats" was more a play on words than any real desire to stop the boats. My friends cross that bar regularly and as surfers know how to not endanger other surfers lives.

In my and other peoples opinion the sand formation in the creek mouth is a huge factor. The yearly dredging efforts shape how this will look for most of the year. Ask Kelly Margetts or the lifeguards how different approaches to the dredging shape the bar, the beach and how the boats will use the creek mouth. Also how many resuces there will be each Summer.

What is not being done here is two things:

- The VMR or water police are not enforcing the rules for boats

- There is no proper public or lifeguard consultation on the dredging.

Last year my neighbour Dan Ware who is now the Chairman of the Surf Council attended this 'public' consultation and was surprised that nobody from the "Alley Boardriders" or any actual surf user body was invited in any way. This was one of the catalysts for the formation of the Surf Council. Beuracrats only work in Beuracratic ways so this council is the way for surf users to have their say on these matters.

if you look at the way the creek is dredged and have a safe path out of the creek and then ensure that the few irresponsible cowboys follow the laws it should be good for everyone right?



I think your overstepping your boundaries if you want the Police or VMR to do there job Thats just way off and you need to back down CMC
wazza66
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21 Jun 2013 7:46pm
My humble opinion....... I use the creek on daily basis as either a sup surfer or fisherman/marine teacher. There is a lot of sand throughout the front of the bar which we all know about.

Dredging will definitely help for a short while till the next big swell comes and moves it again.Governments see it as a lot of time and money for a short term solution.

I witness daily, inexperienced boat drivers who fart arse around at the mouth trying to muster up the courage to take their boats over at all different tides. I was even asked once to drive a guys 16 foot boat out for him so he could head to the tweed. This was asked to me as I was paddling out and asked him if he was ok.

I seriously believe that education is the answer as you can get a boat ,jet ski licence without ever crossing a bar!
By informing boaties more on how to successfully negotiate a bar we should reduce the amount of accidents or near misses.

There are however always the cowboys whose ambition always out ways their abilities, and they will be the ones most likely to come unstuck or collide with someone crossing the bar.

We need to tell these guys to slow down to a reasonable safe speed for both parities as you do need speed to get you over the bar safely . I sometimes even stand still and wave my paddle at them as they are concentrating so hard they don't keep a adequate lookout.

I don' t believe Water Police fining boaties all the time will solve the problem.It may deter a few but not solve the problem.

As I said earlier education is the key. Maybe boat ramp education from officers or a Maritime safety boat stopping boaties prior to crossing may help.

I don't have magic wand but the majority of boaties I see do the right thing.

Bars are dangerous and need to be treated with respect.




aus301
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22 Jun 2013 9:34am
it always interests me the point about not having to know anything about crossing a bar to get a boat licence.

I would assume 90% of boaties probably never get into the open ocean, however to have nothing for those that either do/or aspire to seems absurd to me. Maybe there needs to be an open ocean class boat licence, similar to getting a different class licence for a car vs a truck.
Piros
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22 Jun 2013 11:45pm
Wazza said: - I seriously believe that education is the answer as you can get a boat ,jet ski licence without ever crossing a bar! By informing boaties more on how to successfully negotiate a bar we should reduce the amount of accidents or near misses.

Aus301 said:- It always interests me the point about not having to know anything about crossing a bar to get a boat licence.


Yeah 100% agree that has got to be the first step. To use a boat offshore you should get an offshore licence which involves bar crossings in the test.
enuenu
enuenu
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23 Jun 2013 12:49am
Demolish all break walls or just let them silt up and let nature sort the boats out ;) The ocean will re establish sand equilibrium given time. We are in a position now where we have people using boats that can't handle river mouths or estuaries expecting deep channels to constantly be dug out for them by the taxpayer.

Imagine the surf breaks we would have if the coast was now as it was 200 years ago! The boats would look a lot different and be able to cross the bars. Bring back old Kirra :)
62mac
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teatrea
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11 Jul 2013 8:24pm
We just need Tony at the break wall , hell turn em back!
surfershaneA
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teatrea
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14 Jul 2013 7:49pm
Helped a boatie drag his boat of the sandbar yesterday , some just leave it to late to come in or go out. Very few if any would check the bar first or check with the coast guard. I guess if they are on you want to stay out as long as possible!
laceys lane
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14 Jul 2013 8:13pm
i finally had a look at this post.

i thought it was just another anti starby ace thread
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