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Area10
Area10
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15 Jul 2011 7:26pm
My 10-mile downwind course takes me a couple of miles offshore, and the conditions are a lot choppier than I see on most of the downwind vids posted here. Breaking a paddle out there would put a sizeable crimp in your day.

So, what is the strongest paddle? I'm not interested in weight. But I would like the performance, feel and comfort of the paddle in every other way to be good.

I'm looking at the C4 heavy duty paddles. Anyone used these? Other suggestions? Are fibreglass paddles much better than carbon ones for all-round durability? Has anyone ever broken an aluminium shaft?

Thanks for any advice
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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16 Jul 2011 12:49am
I often think about a paddle failing when I'm crossing the top of the bay and the wind goes back to the north.. or crossing western port bay with an out going current.. and then think.. Thanks God I'm using Kialoa's.. I would recommend one of the big brands like Werner, QuickBlade or Kialoa's but I'm sure C4 and even the new Naish and Starboard paddles are also very good and trustworthy.. Personally I would not trust a wood or alloy shaft paddle.. and I would also recommend having a close look along the shaft of a carbon paddle for small fractures.. Also remember heavier is not necessary stronger.. In fact I think my lightest paddle (my new Toro) is the one I would trust the most.. An awful lot of work and testing has gone into Kialoa making this the strongest paddle they've ever made.

DJ
aussiewahine
aussiewahine
QLD
798 posts
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16 Jul 2011 10:42am
Hey Area10.

I broke a big brand paddle during a 10 mile downwind in Hawaii a couple of weeks ago. It wasn't a fault of the paddle but of the knucklehead who sat on it while taking video/photo's of the other paddlers coming towards her. A swell knocked me sideways from my knee's to a straddle position on the board with the paddle lying wrong way up under me. It was like slow motion as I knew it was there and the wrong way up and while in mid air my thoughts were not good. [}:)]

The paddle snapped clean in half about 2 inches above the blade join. The first question asked by the other paddlers was "have you got any duct tape?". The answer was no. We only had about 3 mile to go but had to find an alternate exit point and had to cut across wind and current for about 1.5 miles. Lucky we had a cell phone to call our driver and notify of the new pick up location. My paddling partner gave me her paddle and she paddled prone to the finish as she has good experience in that.

Anyway after wards we thought about it and thought it a good idea to carry 1 to 2 pieces of dowel and duct tape during long paddles like is. The dowel could be only 20cm long. That way if the paddle breaks you could put the dowel on the outside of paddle over the crack and then tape it on round and round with the tape. Won't be super strong to continue hard paddling but would be a good way to get you back to shore limping.

Just thought I'd share cause this experience sure did dampen a great downwind.
laceys lane
laceys lane
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19804 posts
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16 Jul 2011 11:01am
i've been thinking about setting up some good stainless steel clips in front of my feet to the front of the board and carrying an extra paddle.

two reasons- safety and if i'm struggling with a big paddle i could swap for a smaller blade.

i have heard of outriggers crews sprint starting with big paddles then changing over to smaller blades later in the race. no sure if its true but it sounds good

cheers
paul.j
paul.j
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16 Jul 2011 11:11am
laceys lane said...

i've been thinking about setting up some good stainless steel clips in front of my feet to the front of the board and carrying an extra paddle.

two reasons- safety and if i'm struggling with a big paddle i could swap for a smaller blade.

i have heard of outriggers crews sprint starting with big paddles then changing over to smaller blades later in the race. no sure if its true but it sounds good

cheers


You do know that if you break your paddle you are not stuck out there dont you?? we have these funny things at the end of our arms called hands and with these you can use them to also paddle, they were put there i believe as a safty idea just for times like this.....

laceys lane
laceys lane
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16 Jul 2011 11:14am
paul.j said...

laceys lane said...

i've been thinking about setting up some good stainless steel clips in front of my feet to the front of the board and carrying an extra paddle.

two reasons- safety and if i'm struggling with a big paddle i could swap for a smaller blade.

i have heard of outriggers crews sprint starting with big paddles then changing over to smaller blades later in the race. no sure if its true but it sounds good

cheers


You do know that if you break your paddle you are not stuck out there dont you?? we have these funny things at the end of our arms called hands and with these you can use them to also paddle, they were put there i believe as a safty idea just for times like this.....




haha, yes i believe they can work. i just need to grow longer arms
CMC
CMC
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16 Jul 2011 11:31am
paul.j said...
they were put there i believe as a safty idea just for times like this.....



Classic....... so funny.
Area10
Area10
1508 posts
1508 posts
19 Jul 2011 6:58am
Thanks all for your comments.

aussiewahine: I'm sorry about your paddle. That is exactly the kind of experience that worries me. Thanks for the suggestion for a paddle repair kit – I'd not thought of that.

laceys lane: Yes, I'd wondered about carry a spare 3-piece paddle strapped to the front of the board using some kind of arrangement like DJ has on his Naish 17. In fact I did put some stick-on hook thingies on my Naish 17, but they started peeling off after a couple of weeks (they weren't big brand ones). Maybe your idea would be better.

DJ: I was intrigued by your suggestion of the Toro, and wondered why that particular model would be stronger than the others. So I wrote to Kialoa, and then Quickblade, and then C4, and asked them all the same question:

“…on long offshore downwinders I worry about breaking a paddle. Accidents do happen. Can you please tell me which is your strongest and most robust SUP paddle? I don't really care about cost or weight. I just want it to be as bombproof as possible.”

FYI These were their replies:

From Kialoa: “I would recommend our LauLau, which is in our new Ikaika Line. The shafts in these paddles are nearly indestructible. We have actually run over them with a truck with no damage. The blades are also super durable and can be used on rocks when going in and and out of the ocean.”

From Quickblade: “our AC 110 in a 38 ssi shaft or 40 ssi shaft would be your best bet! The 40 ssi is a pre preg stiff shaft. The 38 has a bit of flex but still our best bomber shaft!”

From C4: “Either the carbon or fiberglass HD... Heavy-Duty paddles. They are both good."

But I'm still puzzled why no-one thinks that aluminium/alloy shafts aren't the strongest – I have a Kialoa Hinalea adjustable paddle (aluminium shaft) that I forget to wash out for a few paddles and it seized so it was no longer adjustable. So to try to free it I ended up subjecting it to all manner of lunacy, such as (1) removing the handle, filling both the shaft and paddle head with water, putting it in the garden and letting it freeze solid outside (it was winter here, snow on ground) for a couple of days, then plunging it in a bath of boiling water; (2) bathing the inside of the shaft in every kind of caustic chemical and lubricant known to man; (3) using a blow torch on the shaft, whilst under pressure; (4) drilling through the shaft at the top, running steel cord through the shaft, then suspending it from a tree, and swinging myself and weights from the bottom of it (neighbours looked a bit funny at me with that one); (5) in final desperation, I stuck it in a vice, took a lump hammer to it and whacked it every which way like man possessed. Anyway, none of this worked, the paddle is still seized. But I glued the handle back on and it works just fine as a paddle for the kids – sanded down the marks and scrapes and it's as good as new! I can't imagine any carbon shaft standing up to that – but maybe I'm wrong…

DavidJohn
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19 Jul 2011 9:34am
"DJ: I was intrigued by your suggestion of the Toro, and wondered why that particular model would be stronger than the others"

Dave Chun at Kialoa put a lot of effort into making this new race paddle and has even used different carbon in it to achieve a 'lighter, stiffer, stronger and faster' paddle.. and because IMO the normal Kialoa's are one of the strongest out there if this new one is stronger.. [and I heard that he had expert testers testing them (not just some weights hanging off them) and the results show they are stronger] .. I would trust them 100%.. Check this out to see the difference..

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/My-first-paddle-with-the-new-Toro/?SearchTerms=toro

btw.. I have a LauLau and that would be a good choice but they're not super light and don't have that classic oval shaft that I love.. but they do paddle nice and are very tough.

The problem with alloy is that it's strong to a point and then suddenly kinks.. It's also cold and heavy.. I've bent and broken so many windsurfer booms that were alloy and that's why the new ones are carbon.. I guess if you use high quality T6000 or higher alloy it should be fine but if I was paddling long distances I'd want a high quality carbon paddle.

Let us know what you end up with.

DJ



goatman
goatman
NSW
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19 Jul 2011 10:30am
I'm not sponsored or affiliated in anyway with Kialoa but mine has lasted over 2 years of copping an absolute beating in the surf and is still going strong.
aus301
aus301
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19 Jul 2011 10:42am
DavidJohn said...


The problem with alloy is that it's strong to a point and then suddenly kinks.. It's also cold and heavy.. I've bent and broken so many windsurfer booms that were alloy and that's why the new ones are carbon.. I guess if you use high quality T6000 or higher alloy it should be fine but if I was paddling long distances I'd want a high quality carbon paddle.

Let us know what you end up with.

DJ



I too have windsurfed for many years on alloy booms. DJ is correct and alloy will kink once a certain point is met, and that point is usually less than carbon. However you will often still be able to paddle with a kinked alloy shaft, where as carbon once broken will normally be useless. I have sailed in with a broken boom, when I broke a carbon I was left swiming as there was nothing left to hold.

Down side however is the loss of perfomance in alloy vs carbon. So it's a big call to take that loss on the off chance that you will put the shaft under enough strain to break. Ask yourself, what is everyone else using?

roachy
roachy
NSW
391 posts
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20 Jul 2011 7:02am
Just snapped a kia kaha at the base where paddle enters shaft, didint snap pole. Thought these guys would have been stronger . not happy when you spend a bit more
rodders67
rodders67
NSW
176 posts
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20 Jul 2011 7:20am
green menace said...

Just snapped a kia kaha at the base where paddle enters shaft, didint snap pole. Thought these guys would have been stronger . not happy when you spend a bit more


GM had exactly the same problem. Spoke with AA who i bought it off and covered under warranty. Happy that you pay for what you get. QB stand by their name talk to whom you bought this QB off. i am happy it arrived yesterday felt lost without it. It's truly amazing how much you become attached to a particular paddle.
GizzieNZ
GizzieNZ
4103 posts
4103 posts
20 Jul 2011 1:29pm
Jimmy Lewis shaft mated with a kia kaha blade is doing the trick for me at the moment
shiner
shiner
22 posts
22 posts
21 Jul 2011 4:45am
My kialoa feels bomb proof, just wish it did not give me blisters after 30 mins paddling!
RMAC
RMAC
QLD
44 posts
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21 Jul 2011 7:14am
Area10 said...

But I'm still puzzled why no-one thinks that aluminium/alloy shafts aren't the strongest


I can't say this will happen to all aluminium paddles but it happened to mine.

I now have the naish carbon/glass 9.5" swallow with the 29mm shaft which seems ok (for now)
Area10
Area10
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21 Jul 2011 6:36am
RMAC: Pretty convincing vid, thanks. You must have been POed, especially since it looks like a lovely day for SUP. I've seen several carbon ones snap like that too, though. (Thanks also aus301, v useful info.)

I wonder if the technology the paddle manufacturers have been using up until now has been largely adopted from e.g. OC paddles - but the forces acting on a SUP shaft, especially when surfing, are likely to be greater because they are so much longer. Most people seem pleased if their carbon megabuck paddle lasts more than 2 years. But surely paddle breaks should be very rare occurrences, not the sort of thing that most people with significant SUP experience has encountered or seen?

All a manufacturer would have to do to secure a purchase from me and most of my friends would be to say “this is the strongest, most durable SUP paddle in the world” (assuming it was true). Even if it were heavier than the elite racing ones, I reckon that USP would guarantee significant sales. I want to know that if I sit accidentally on my paddle like aussiewahine did, it will not break!

Shiner: Yes, Kialoa paddles give me blisters too. I have to wear gloves when I use them for an extended period, and don't when I use my Quickblade. I love Kialoas (so much that I have 6 of them!!!), but I'd love them even more if they came with a palm grip option: I think it's the T-grip that does it because I've put soft grip on the shaft and it doesn't make much difference to the blister rate. The T-grip gives wonderful control, especially in surf, but I think on long paddles there seems to be a price to be paid. I notice that their new Ikaika Hapa model comes with a palm grip. I might try to get some of those and retrofit them to my carbon paddles: My experience of Kialoa's customer service is that it is outstanding (to be balanced, so also are QB and C4 Waterman, all really helpful, and hugely better than the bigger companies). Maybe T-grip on a surfing paddle and palm grip on a racing/distance paddle might be best?
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