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Scotty88
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28 Apr 2011 9:52pm
I have been told by a good source that the volume of a sup (as displayed) is the volume of the board which is under the water line and NOT the overall volume of the board (without rider). Is this correct ? I have heard a few different theories.
surfbabysurf
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28 Apr 2011 11:59pm
I have always thought it was the total volume of the board. It would depend how heavy you were as to how much board was in the water
laceys lane
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29 Apr 2011 12:06am
Scotty88 said...

I have been told by a good source that the volume of a sup (as displayed) is the volume of the board which is under the water line and NOT the overall volume of the board (without rider). Is this correct ? I have heard a few different theories.


is that saltwater or fresh water.

i think someone is pulling your leg



never hear of any shaper i know talk about that.

volume is normally taken from the the boards program files

cheers
Scotty88
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28 Apr 2011 10:32pm
I was told by a guy at Surftech. He said volume is the volume which is under water without a rider on top.
Adapt
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29 Apr 2011 12:34am
Got this off a website called www.boardformula.com

6)Volume is a measurement of how much water the surfboard displaces. If the volume given has an asterisk(*), that means it was calculated, not measured, therfore this calculation can have an error up to 1L. The measurement is the same in both salt water and fresh water. When you are sitting on the surfboard in the water, the board can hold up as much weight as the weight of the water it displaces. Salt water weighs about 2.26 lbs per liter. So if your board displaces 30 liters, the buoyant force will be 68 lbs. Volume only matters when the board is displacing water. When the surfboard is moving fast, it is on top of the water and displaces a tiny amount of water. At high speeds, surface area and rail outline matter most, volume has little significance.

Hope that helps.
Scotty88
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28 Apr 2011 10:42pm
Cheers Adapt,
The guy I spoke to mentioned he didn't take much notice of volume as there are to many variables involved. Such as riders weight,etc.
Bnaccas
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29 Apr 2011 12:51am
Here's a couple for you...

Would a board filled with foam or air displace more water?

If the board was filled with air under preasure, would it displace more water?

JonathanC
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29 Apr 2011 2:40am
Volume of a board is simply the total cubic volume. If you pull a board underwater in a tank the water level will rise by an amount that corresponds to the total volume of the board. Just ask Archimedes, the guy worked it out when he sat in the bath one day!
Doesn't matter if the board is filled with helium or cast iron or feathers - volume is volume. But the weight will effect how low it sits in the water, cast iron board will sink, board full of air will float. And of course the weight of the board and the rider will determine how low a board of given volume sits in the water.
Sorry but the Surftech guy doesn't get it....
62mac
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29 Apr 2011 4:25am
Scotty88 said...

Cheers Adapt,
The guy I spoke to mentioned he didn't take much notice of volume as there are to many variables involved. Such as riders weight,etc.

Well thats not going to help people choosing the correct board is it.
laceys lane
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29 Apr 2011 7:18am
Scotty88 said...

I was told by a guy at Surftech. He said volume is the volume which is under water without a rider on top.


there might be some u beaut tricked up formula. from what i gather things float better in saltwater. what about the dead sea? people float like corks in there.

the volumes you see quoted on specs on sup sites are total volume of board.
cheers
CMC
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29 Apr 2011 8:37am
Scotty88 said...

Cheers Adapt,
The guy I spoke to mentioned he didn't take much notice of volume as there are to many variables involved. Such as riders weight,etc.


In some ways this comment is correct as volume total can be squeezed in many directions and simply is an indication of how many liters are contained inside the board total ie as Jonathan said cubic volume.

Thing is say for example a 100 liter board could be anything from a 12' x 24 tipoff master or an 8'4 x 30 chunk city. It really is just an indication and you'd be better looking at where the volume is placed and only ever considered in relation to other more important measurements. People only started thinking of these numbers in surfing once the AKU machine started calculating liters correctly for surfboards, boards worked just fine before that also.
laceys lane
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29 Apr 2011 4:04pm
in reference to volumes, the placement is the go. this one area that is being looked hard at in the 12,6 race boards.over volumed can be really ordinary in the surf battle front. an area i'm keen on at the moment is how the board goes after going over or through a wave. a slap down is not good as you generally lose all speed, so i'm looking at the balance of the board.

a quoted board volume by the makers is still probably the first starting point when looking for a new sup. then all the other factors can be decided. on shortboards i could get away with less volume than say on a fairly rockered board
cheers
colas
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29 Apr 2011 4:41pm
Scotty88 said...

I have been told by a good source that the volume of a sup (as displayed) is the volume of the board which is under the water line and NOT the overall volume of the board (without rider). Is this correct ? I have heard a few different theories.


Pure, golden, prize-winning BULLSH1T.

the volume of the board (in liters) which is under the water line (without rider) is of course... the weight of the board (in kg). (less some percent due to salt water density).

The Volume of the board is the volume of the board. Some manufacturers can get it wrong (most because they trust the one printed by their CAD software, not taking into account the volume modifications induced by finishing and glassing). The pad also adds some liters.
doggie
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29 Apr 2011 5:12pm
Volume? Turn it up to 11
doggie
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29 Apr 2011 5:14pm
CMC said...

Scotty88 said...

Cheers Adapt,
The guy I spoke to mentioned he didn't take much notice of volume as there are to many variables involved. Such as riders weight,etc.


In some ways this comment is correct as volume total can be squeezed in many directions and simply is an indication of how many liters are contained inside the board total ie as Jonathan said cubic volume.

Thing is say for example a 100 liter board could be anything from a 12' x 24 tipoff master or an 8'4 x 30 chunk city. It really is just an indication and you'd be better looking at where the volume is placed and only ever considered in relation to other more important measurements. People only started thinking of these numbers in surfing once the AKU machine started calculating liters correctly for surfboards, boards worked just fine before that also.


Correct, you guys should just start the "Just ask CMC" thread
62mac
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29 Apr 2011 5:29pm
doggie said...

Volume? Turn it up to 11


haha
CMC
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29 Apr 2011 9:53pm
doggie said...



Correct, you guys should just start the "Just ask CMC" thread


Now you're talking, I could talk crap forever.
doggie
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29 Apr 2011 7:56pm
CMC said...

doggie said...



Correct, you guys should just start the "Just ask CMC" thread


Now you're talking, I could talk crap forever.


It is interesting crap tho
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