Surf & SUP Coaching - 2 Different Accreditations??

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brownie49
brownie49
NSW
100 posts
NSW, 100 posts
7 Jan 2011 5:53pm
Checking some of the articles on the right hand side of the page and I came across the Surfing Academy that runs surfing and sup coaching courses

Surfing NSW and Surfing Australia have run these (surfing) for years and there is a new player???

I am curious as to how and why this happened

If you do an Academy course does Surfing NSW let you coach within their system and vice versa

Does anyone have the facts or knowledge on how both these work, and if you were going to do a coaching course, which would you do and why
rollo90
rollo90
QLD
221 posts
QLD, 221 posts
7 Jan 2011 5:26pm

all the system requires for being employed as a surf instructors is the accreditation. but they do not work together so to speak. you are made to a certain amount of coaching hours for free to gain full accreditation (20hours) if you were to do you course through Surfing Queensland you can not get you hours signed off by ASI. as Surfing Queensland would not accept this. not sure if it goes vice versa with ASI to SQ.
other places also run surfing instructor courses that are not affiliated through Surfing Australia.
i only employ instructors that have done there course through Surfing Australia.
they are the most professional course providers imo
there are about to have a stand up paddle course soon but it is pointless on the gold coast as gold coast city council have told all surf schools on the coast they are not to teach sup off open beaches. or so i was leaded to believe.
but rivers and creeks A ok
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
7 Jan 2011 10:13pm
Hey Rollo,

As far as I understand it the same applies to Vic. The Surfing Vic Cert I did also requires Bronze Medalion, Level 2 First-aid and 20hrs to get the level 1 Surf Inst and then you need to do an SUP module which has been coming for about 12 months.

Surf Vic wont accept any other accreditation to my knowledge.

The level 2 first-aid needs to be done every 2 years

The bronze Medalion every year.

Phill

rollo90
rollo90
QLD
221 posts
QLD, 221 posts
7 Jan 2011 9:53pm
in QLD you need Surf Bronze, ARC, First Aid, Blue Card and the surf instructors cert.
I know in Vic second instructor on lessons after ratio goes over does not require surf instructors cert. but that is only in Vic i think.
the skipper
the skipper
QLD
90 posts
QLD, 90 posts
8 Jan 2011 12:13am
Is that so you can get liability insurance?

Or can you teach below the high tide mark providing you have a business premises and money isn't exchanged on council land.

is accreditation necessary?
roachy
roachy
NSW
391 posts
NSW, 391 posts
8 Jan 2011 7:39am
IMO surfing australia and all there state groups are a bunch of ex surfers lining there pockets ,control freaks, accreditation is a course, they just want all the money, they direct people to you and you still pay after the course is complete, they just keep taking. , if they dont like you they dont give you work. Surely they can fit in with other acceditations to help the sport. SUP is so hard to teach, ha ha, --- andrew stark who is the main person of sa , make sure you dont bend over and pick up the the soap ! My daughter has the other course , the inferior one, she teaches for both sides.
rollo90
rollo90
QLD
221 posts
QLD, 221 posts
8 Jan 2011 8:02am

think you will find SQ only do maybe one course a year, maybe two if we are lucky.
so i do not think that this is there main income. so running course is not there main business.
it is illegal on GC beaches to operate without council permission, to get the go ahead you have to have all your accreditation's.
Oceanus
Oceanus
4 posts
4 posts
8 Jan 2011 8:14am
Hey Brownie,

This is a tough one, there are so many things to consider and what will be appropriate for you in the future. I'm a surf instructor on the Goldie who gained accreditation through a private national training organisation that was using the national units of compentacy ( this governs all training institutions in Australia including Aus Surfing and ASI). I also teach SUP but without an accreditation because I'm still deciding on who would be best.

Things to take into consideration:
• Most councils take both accreditations if registering a business, but as Rollo pointed out not all surf schools except both accreditations.
• Australia's first SUP Governing body which is still being put together by some of our industry leaders in SUP have ASI as the educator on their website.
• Surfing Aus and it's state bodies already have a good association with councils, state governments and 99% of the surf schools that also run SUP.
• Jamie Mitchell helped design the ASI program.

I've nearly made my decision but I'm just holding off for a little while.

mbuzz
mbuzz
NSW
261 posts
NSW, 261 posts
8 Jan 2011 11:38am
I've been looking into this a little as I'm thinking of getting a qual to teach.

I do agree a little with Green Menace re Surfing Australia. I does seem a little like jobs for the boys, as you already have to be working for a surf school to get your hours you need for your surfing qual (before then going on to get your SUP qual). Not sure as an outsider, how you are ever going to get these hours unless your already inside the system.

ASI seem to be gaining a lot more traction as most of the new schools I've seen lately have ASI instructors and I think it's good that the SUP governing body is behind them. ASI also seems to have a more global reach (if your prone to traveling).

The ideal situation would be to have both quals, perhaps if you have your ASI you can teach sup for a surf school (on flatwater) in exchange for them letting you gain enough hours in the surf to get you SA quals?

I'd be interested to hear some more thoughts particularly for someone with an ASI qual.
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
QLD, 2031 posts
8 Jan 2011 2:55pm
green menace said...

IMO surfing australia and all there state groups are a bunch of ex surfers lining there pockets ,control freaks, accreditation is a course, they just want all the money, they direct people to you and you still pay after the course is complete, they just keep taking. , if they dont like you they dont give you work. Surely they can fit in with other acceditations to help the sport. SUP is so hard to teach, ha ha, --- andrew stark who is the main person of sa , make sure you dont bend over and pick up the the soap ! My daughter has the other course , the inferior one, she teaches for both sides.


are you chanllenging me for the title of "most negative person on seabreeze" ???
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
8 Jan 2011 3:54pm
husq2100 said...

green menace said...

IMO surfing australia and all there state groups are a bunch of ex surfers lining there pockets ,control freaks, accreditation is a course, they just want all the money, they direct people to you and you still pay after the course is complete, they just keep taking. , if they dont like you they dont give you work. Surely they can fit in with other acceditations to help the sport. SUP is so hard to teach, ha ha, --- andrew stark who is the main person of sa , make sure you dont bend over and pick up the the soap ! My daughter has the other course , the inferior one, she teaches for both sides.


are you chanllenging me for the title of "most negative person on seabreeze" ???


People always mix up negativity with reality.

Let's face it the three of us and a few others are the true "realists" on this forum.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
8 Jan 2011 7:58pm
the reality is you pay money and time and keep doing so to keep your accreditation to be an instructor for the the privilege of bugger all hours at a low rate and be responsible for peoples safety like in the fitness,skiing, diving whatever industry. it only kinda pays off if you have your own business
look long and hard at the reality and forget the 'glamour' before committing
Oceanus
Oceanus
4 posts
4 posts
8 Jan 2011 6:43pm
I slightly agree with you Lacey, but as an instructor or SUP business owner you don't really make money the people that really make the money are the guys mass producing the boards and paddles.

You have to just love teaching people to get anything out of being an instructor, I wouldn't be relying on a surf/sup qual to make a living as its very seasonal, unless you work for the government teaching people/kids how to surf and sup.

The options are if you want to be an instructor, pay for both or choose one, look at the RPL process if you have the skills to back it up and always search for other training providers that may offer a cert III and IV in outdoor rec (surfing and sup) as this is the highest qual you can get recoginsed VET.
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