The Sun destroys a board..

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aussiewahine
aussiewahine
QLD
798 posts
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27 Dec 2008 8:45am
Never leave your SUB board "deck up" in the sun. I always thought you just put them fins up so that the sun didn't melt the wax and that SUB's with deck grip would be ok but I learnt differently this week. A friend of mine lent his 10" PSH to someone this week and they apparently left it deck up in the sun. The black grip decking heated up and lifted the whole laminate/surface of the board off. Apparently it is ruined.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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27 Dec 2008 10:31am
Bugger!....and lesson learned..

I've also heard of expensive carbon paddles being ruined by leaving them in the car on a hot day..

DJ
Clarky
Clarky
QLD
295 posts
QLD, 295 posts
27 Dec 2008 10:09am
I've installed air vents in all my boards, mainly because I leave them in the car at work sometimes, but it is piece of mind when left in the sun.
stuey c
stuey c
QLD
265 posts
QLD, 265 posts
27 Dec 2008 10:56am
If you really want to make your board last you'll either buy or make a light coloured cover for it, particularly if your board is epoxy. Epoxy starts to "melt" or turn to a jelly state at a temperature of approximately 60 degrees celsius, it will harden again when it cools down but it's not too good for it. Dark coloured boards can easily attain this temp when left in the sun so you can imagine the damage that will occur to your carbon epoxy paddle! High temps can also severely damage the foam core on an epoxy board causing it to shrink or almost dissolve.
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
27 Dec 2008 11:57am
Another lesson here would be don't lend your board out if it going to leave your sight. Many years ago I lent a bodyboard to a friend who left it on the hot sand (yes I warned him not to) and it caused bubbles in the laminate.
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
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28 Dec 2008 2:43am
I've left L/W competition sailboards in my old van and never had a problem, even when the van used to get to well over 50 and even 60 degrees during summer. Always with the breathers open. Also last summer I popped into a mates house on the way back from a surf and as I was leaving I checked my tie downs and ended up burning my forearm on the board. The bottom of the board must have been close to 100 degrees in the sun and still no problem.

SUP brands will need to make breathers standard in all boards (I know some already do) or de-lams like this will become more common. Without strict guidelines on how to store, transport and even max temps your board can be taken out in the sun clearly marked on the board warranties are going to come in thick and fast. Answer? I don't know. Build em tougher with maybe a breather top and bottom?????
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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28 Dec 2008 7:05am
Hey Bnaccas what's L/W?

DJ
stuey c
stuey c
QLD
265 posts
QLD, 265 posts
28 Dec 2008 10:59am
Despite Bnaccas experiences with his sailboards, even if they have breathers fitted it is NOT o.k. to let your epoxy board reach high temperatures. Sure in most cases breathers will prevent the board from "blowing up" and de-laminating due to the expanding gases inside the core. What they don't stop though is the damage to the glass and epoxy skin caused by continual hot/cold cycling which, over time, weakens the product and can lead to failure. This is fact, something I've learned over 25 years of building epoxy craft. So do yourself a favour keep your board out of the sun and or excessive heat when possible and put a cover on it..........Too easy !!!!!!
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
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29 Dec 2008 12:15am
L/W = light weight. I mean like slalom boards that only a few of us had (down here). Special boards, very fragile, thin etc. Also Stuey..I'm not saying breathers are the solution but sialboard manufacturers have many years of experience producing large volume boards (more air to expand etc) and this is rarely a problem anymore.

I agree with what Stuey said....Keep ya board out of the sun, in a cover etc. But it's those times when you can't get ya board in the shade when they will fail. As far as gases go though, I have never heard of it. Boards have a foam core, usually open celled which means they will suck water and it can spread throughout the board. An empty bottle of coke is the best example of an open cell - put it under water and watch the water suck in and the air leave. Rarely boards have closed cell foam which minimises/eliminates suction through the rest of the foam but can cause water to spread between the faom and skin of the board. John Skinner from Torquay Sailboards used this.

Gas in foam is a myth, it's simple air/oxygen. Just like a chocolate aero bar, the air in bubble wrap etc. (unless the bubble wrap is manufactured in China where there is a chance you could catch the bird flu - be careful as most SUPs are coming from Asia! - Kidding).

Either way, keep em out of the sun where possible, get a light coloured or reflective cover, open the breather if your board has one.

I'm not saying the quality of boards isn't good, just that the size and simple volume of SUPs could cause problems in regards top de-lam in the future. Go put an egg in the microwave for 1 minute and you will see what I mean.
stuey c
stuey c
QLD
265 posts
QLD, 265 posts
28 Dec 2008 11:54pm
Bnaccas said...

L/W = light weight. I mean like slalom boards that only a few of us had. Special boards, very fragile, thin etc. Also Stuey..I'm not saying breathers are the solution but sialboard manufacturers have many years of experience producing large volume boards (more air to expand etc) and this is rarely a problem anymore.

I agree with what Stuey said....Keep ya board out of the sun, in a cover etc. But it's those times when you can't get ya board in the shade when they will fail. As far as gases go though, I have never heard of it. Boards have a foam core, usually open celled which means they will suck water and it can spread throughout the board. An empty bottle of coke is the best example of an open cell - put it under water and watch the water suck in and the air leave. Rarely boards have closed cell foam which minimises/eliminates suction through the rest of the foam but can cause water to spread between the faom and skin of the board. John Skinner from Torquay Sailboards used this.

Gas in foam is a myth, it's simple air/oxygen. Just like a chocolate aero bar, the air in bubble wrap etc. (unless the bubble wrap is manufactured in China where there is a chance you could catch the bird flu - be careful as most SUPs are coming from Asia! - Kidding).

Either way, keep em out of the sun where possible, get a light coloured or reflective cover, open the breather if your board has one.

I'm not saying the quality of boards isn't good, just that the size and simple volume of SUPs could cause problems in regards top de-lam in the future. Go put an egg in the microwave for 1 minute and you will see what I mean.



Bnaccas, air/oxygen is a gas, no myth.......
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
1722 posts
VIC, 1722 posts
29 Dec 2008 10:27am

Bnaccas, air/oxygen is a gas, no myth.......


Point taken. I had in my mind like some toxic or flamable gas or something. My head is full of air sometimes!

stevibee
stevibee
NSW
11 posts
NSW, 11 posts
29 Dec 2008 5:14pm
Sounds like we should steer clear of the PSH boards. All first born production boards have problems so hope this isn't one of them.......
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
29 Dec 2008 4:57pm
Steviebee,
Why would you say that? I am sure this could happen with any board if left in the sun. Its pretty warm in Hawaii so I sure if this problem only occurred with PSH then it would be common knowledge by now.......

Pretty ridiculous thing to say with little substance.....
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