Nozza said..lam said..supthecreek said..colas said..Hoppo3228 said..
I stated that a properly tenured carnivore diet
This is what I wanted to stress: What is a "properly tenured" carnivore diet?
You will find as many definitions as there are "experts". Some even with a 4kg butter daily dose.
Plus diets must be adapted to you and your microbiote, we are all different.
So you should state (or point to) exactly what you mean, otherwise you are falling into the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
(or here the "Not properly tenured Carnivore Diet")
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_ScotsmanAgain, I am not debating with you on what is "The True Scotsman".
I am just trying to warn readers that things are more complex.
And "do your own research" is actually dangerous if you do not know how to properly conduct researches.
Most people just fall into the Confirmation Bias trap.
thinkingispower.com/how-to-do-your-own-research/ Ok colas, you have repeatedly pushed your "smart advice" here, so here's my take on how dangerous it is to lean heavily on the advice of the "Medical Professionals"
The world has followed the lead of the US institutions like the USDA and Approved Food Pyramid for 50 years.
NOTHING has proven to be more dangerous for human heath around the globe or more deadly.
The USDA's 1992 Food Guide Pyramid
The introduction of the USDA's food guide Pyramid in 1992 attempted to express the recommended servings of each food group, which previous guides did not do. 6 to 11 servings of bread, cereal, rice and pasta occupied the large base of the pyramid; followed by 3 to 5 servings of vegetables; then fruits (2 to 4); then milk, yogurt and cheese (2 to 3); followed by meat, poultry, fish, dry beans, eggs, and nuts (2 to 3); and finally fats, oils and sweets in the small apex (to be used sparingly). Inside each group were several images of representative foods, as well as symbols representing the fat and sugar contents of the foods
SINCE these Dietary Recommendations by the Government Food Experts were adopted:Obesity has dramatically increased.
Chronic Disease has dramatically increased.
Diabetes has Skyrocketed.
The ONLY thing that is having a dramatic effect to turn this around did NOT come from the Scientific Community or the Health Experts..
It came from the power of Social Media to expose the connection between Big Food, Big Pharmaceutical and the USDA.
It was the very influencers that detractors say are so dangerous.
The Carnivore Sphere grew from tens of thousands of stories that made a huge base of "Anecdotal evidence" that attracted the attention of thousands of highly qualified Research Scientists, Clinical Physicians, Cardiac Vascular Surgeons and Research Biologist.
The Carnivore Diet has thousands of highly qualified Medical Professionals who not only support this diet but have adopted it themselves and conduct ongoing studies to further the knowledge base.
I made it a point to study a wide range of very respected and hyper qualified Doctors, neuroscientists, Clinical Physicians, Cardiac Vascular Surgeons and Research Biologists.
Looking outside the box and doing meaningful research, isthe most responsible thing we can do to take back our health.
Carnivore is a wide tent.... it varies from person to person. Some eat a wide variety of food with the emphasis on animal products. Some are Red meat only. (They do just fine) I understand that our bodies are perfectly designed to forage on a wide variety of food groups.
Carnivore I the ultimate "Elimination Diet" which many use to reset their health before slowly adding back food variety to achieve s healthy lifestyle.
Dr Robert Cywes is an insanely qualified multi specialized Surgeon turned Health advocate
Dr Philipe Ovadia, Cardiac Vascular Surgeon (3,000widepen heart surgeries) Adopted Carnivore to save his own life
For hardcore Carnivore "Red Meat and water ONLY Anthony Chaffee MD practicing in OZ is an unapologetic wealth of information and opinion
Ben Bikman PhD research scientist specializing in the foundational role of Metabolic Health short take on Carnivore
Animal vs Plant protein
I read this thread with interest but found the conclusions that people have come up with interesting. Points I would like to make:
1. A strong association is not proof of causation.
2. I would imagine graph would look similar if obesity and chronic disease was compared to the increase in production of "super processed" foods
3. Similar graphs could also be produced taking into account the individual wealth of US citizens over the period of time.
4. Graphs depicting changes in work patterns, ie far more workers in sedentary roles.
5. Graphs illustrating the increased lifespan of US citizens over the same period.
Just don't eat too much **** food,
it's not very hard.
You don't need drugs to stop you eating too much.
Take some personal responsabilty for how you treat your body.
Boy there was a quick rant I didn't see coming
Hi Nozza, good to see you here, I hope all is well my friend!
ha ha... I totally get it, but unfortunately it is NOT that simple.
I have to respectfully 100% disagree :
"Just don't eat too much **** food,it's not very hard."
For my entire life, I thought like that.... just take control and do it!
But I never succeeded in doing it.
Not only is it hard.... it's nearly impossible for all the fat people of the world.
Take a look around.... do you truly believe that all of us obese people are just stupid? NO... we were intentionally sold food that is not only addictive but diabolical in how it controls our bodies.
THAT was exactly my issue for the past 50 years of "Dieting".... I was completely addicted to the ** food I was eating.
I used to compare myself to a heroin addict, with a twist: when they quit, they stopped completely.... I had to do my "drug" 3 times a day, and somehow I should still have the will power not to overdo it. Totally insane.
I could stick to a diet through sheer force of will for around 3 months before I caved under the pressure of addiction.
It was a miserable existence that I fought every single day of my life.
Here's the dirty little secret:
Big food has been paying thousands of scientist to make food addicting and also to shut off the body's mechanism that signals the brain to stop eating.
Millions and millions of people are suffering this inability to stop eating the hyper addictive ** foods they have spent billions in clever advertising to brainwash us to eat:
"bet you can't eat just one!"
The evidence that food is made addictive on purpose and is designed to override our satiety signals is 100% proven.... it is just little known and not reported on, and honestly, I bet most people don't want to believe our food producers are THAT sinister. But they are.
I don't give a ** what people say or think about what is "true" or proven" about the Carnivore lifestyle.....
After 50 years, I am
free from my food addiction!
I can eat as MUCH as I want, I LOVE the food I eat and my life has been changed in more ways than I can state here.
for instance:
My old blood pressure was ALWAYS right at the high end of normal..... now it is at the low end of normal.
I will never again be tempted to have just a "little" of the ** food I used to eat....
I walk through a supermarket now and see ALL of that food as poison.... not as a temptation.
I am not a recovering food addict, quite the contrary.... I am a reborn clean slate, that is 100% free and satisfied.
Next weekend I turn 77 and feel better than I have in 30 years!
Thank you Carnivore!
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