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Adapt
Adapt
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19 Apr 2011 11:52pm
I was just sitting down reading through the study guide on surfing culture the topic being Soul Surfing and it made me start to think about a few questions in relation to the sport we all talk about here, SUP!

The questions I'm throwing out are:

1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?

I'll leave it there and look forward to the responses.

rahams
rahams
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544 posts
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20 Apr 2011 12:22am
my answer for 2.
watched luke egan at a billabong doo at foster and thought i have to try that .bought a naish 11' 6 , first try with my daughter was the worst [surf] ive had.
didnt give up . it was like learning how to surf again but im 40 . my first bottom turn on a sup using my paddle brought back that buzz of surfing for the first time .getting the **** kicked out of ya in 2 foot surf is unreal .for me its like a second child hood and im still loving the first . ps im pissed
Adapt said...

I was just sitting down reading through the study guide on surfing culture the topic being Soul Surfing and it made me start to think about a few questions in relation to the sport we all talk about here, SUP!

The questions I'm throwing out are:

1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?

I'll leave it there and look forward to the responses.




sharpie
sharpie
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20 Apr 2011 8:10am
Adapt said...

I was just sitting down reading through the study guide on surfing culture the topic being Soul Surfing and it made me start to think about a few questions in relation to the sport we all talk about here, SUP!

The questions I'm throwing out are:

1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?

I'll leave it there and look forward to the responses.



not to much we can do about #1 but join up to SUP australia and have a say.
#2 i have compressed neck vertebra (spelling sux) and bone spurs in there as well so laying down with head up was getting so painful, could only surf for 20 mins. tops and paid for it the rest of the day. was sitting round the house on my arse getting fatter and depressed, till my eyes were opened on sup now i am like a grommet all over again can stay out for hours with no pain. geting to the motivation bit FUN and weight loss 20kg so far and counting.
#3 dont know if sup has had time to develop much of this stuff yet, so lets see on that one? been surfing shortboards, windsurfing, longboarding and now sup in the lineup at my local for over 35 yrs, dont really care what they reckon i aint going nowhere so if they aint used to me by now they have the problem not me.
Piros
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20 Apr 2011 8:28am
1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?

At first yes but not anymore.

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?

It keeps me on the ocean , in any conditions , feeds the Soul.

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?

The sport itself hasn't but the way it is perceived is definitely changing IMHO

lost at sea
lost at sea
WA
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20 Apr 2011 6:30am
on a road to nowhere come on sing along
ODSUP
ODSUP
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20 Apr 2011 10:20am
no 1 Living in the country I dont see it but It is in there best interest to do so
they definatly have the dollars to spend on marketing and the cashflow to bring in container loads of Thai and Chinese boards
Buy Ausralian if you want a custom board

no2 for me and I sound similar to others
I love that you can explore the coast either on a downwinder or just paddling down the beach pick up a wave say hi to board riders then move on and find another wave by yourself ,its the flow of the paddle
I have been reborn by suping I have surfed all my life and competed around the world in SLSA ski paddling events
Sup gives me a totaly different feeling on the water I was on my DC8.8 for 4hrs on Saturday I havnt been in the surf for that long since I was I Kid
Its a totaly different sport its a mixture of all the surfsports wraped up in one plus you get fit without knowing it .I wish I was out there know .
Maybe Im justing getting older and beleive in the healing powers of the water a bit deep hey!

3 not sure its still a very young sport with so many choices
I think its up to the individual where you want to go with it
for me I like the bop races and downwinders and leaving my sup surfing for free surfing but thats probably because Im a clubie

re the line up I think its about respect for all guys in the water, there has been plenty on this in other forums I prefer the aloha spirit and I think thats why Ill catch a few waves then go and find a some down the beach and let the boardriders know when the sets are comming Im pretty lucky down here as there only a few sups so I dont know what goes on in the city.
CMC
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20 Apr 2011 10:28am
I'd like to think that we were heading in the direction to not be 'pretend' Hawaiians.

Yes, our sport originates from Hawaii but just as prone surfers have done Aussie surfers and athletes in general stand alone as their own people with their own presence. It is a presence respected around the world. In fact sometimes I think the people that respect Aussies the least are Aussies.

Maybe I missed out on my packet of 'Aloha' that gave me some kind of honorary Hawaiian heritage when I got my first SUP. Yes, I know what Aloha is and I think in principle I live my own version of it. My friends favourite saying is "No Smile, No style" and this is true. BUT I'd feel like an imposter with all of the Shakas and "Aloha's" this and that.

I mean this with the greatest respect to the Hawaiians and Polynesian people in general. In fact I respect them too much to try and be some white soft version.
62mac
62mac
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20 Apr 2011 8:55am
Well said CMC, the word Aloha is an Hawaiian term NOT Australian and I load seeing pictures of impostors, we live in Australia!Thumbs up works

1- Not to commercialised,far from it!
2 -No swell,it keeps me on the water no matter what mother nature dishes up!
3 -In the lineup a surfer is a surfer,no matter what craft they are on,some share,some don't.Some respect,some don't!
Leroy13
Leroy13
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20 Apr 2011 10:58am
Adapt said...

I was just sitting down reading through the study guide on surfing culture the topic being Soul Surfing and it made me start to think about a few questions in relation to the sport we all talk about here, SUP!

The questions I'm throwing out are:

1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?

I'll leave it there and look forward to the responses.




#1. No definitely not. If you want a custom there are heaps of guys up and down all of the coasts that will sit down and shape what you want. DTM, DC and Luke Short just to name a few. Without the R&D of the big names we would be riding oversized ironing boards. Look at the exciting prospects of Blair Chamber's chine technology and the Dihedral noses on BOP boards. You need the big names to fork out the cash and do the experimentation and provide people with a sound and affordable product.

#2. At 53 and with 4 kids (youngest 4 years old) it allows me to go for an early morning paddle (flat water) close by before they require their chauffeur/servant to assist them. I then get go to work with the buzz of the sun coming up either over the river or the bay. It also allows me to catch little peelers at my secret spot in the bay ( in the right conditions) . Since I have a dodgy back and mediocre knees it allows me to still surf down the coast as hard or as laid back as I want to.

#3. Lets not kid anyone, there are huge differences in the way people look at Supping. Up in QLD and NSW there is a hell of a lot more competitiveness because of the warmer climate. You can surf all year round and there are more people in the water that might not necessarily take up the sport down South. Therefore there is a tendency to more aggression and and showmanship. Down South there are no where near the amount of people in the water (except for certain times of the year) because its colder, so when you see someone else on a SUP you tend to be more friendly, I will now call this 'Guday mate Spirit'. These are not hard and fast rules just observations over years of surfing in both places. Down here there are a lot of Downwind crew. I will eventually get into it, but lets face facts, most of them are paddling stand up kayaks. But what's wrong with that? The technology overlap is fantastic. I SUP to be happy and not hurt anybody. Hopefully I will still say that when I'm 73.

Got to go now Playschool just finished.
teatrea
teatrea
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20 Apr 2011 11:48am
Interesting topic , i studeied a martial art for a while called Aikido and its basis or ideal was that competetion is bad , ie their are no winners or loosers , from competetion be in sport , work or daily life breeds those more unhealthy emotions. Ie envy , jealousey , agreesivness , one up man ship, ect.So as a true soul surfer he/she surfs for the pure enjoyment of the experience and also likes to share that experience with others. But competetion , it can be argued brings about the best in us too.I guess it all comes down to the person.Wow now im confused

chrispychru
chrispychru
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20 Apr 2011 12:28pm
taking that ride, were on a road to nowhere
tortise said... Nope lads of with the in laws and i will be riding heaps.........

on a road to nowhere come on sing along


Adapt
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20 Apr 2011 1:17pm
Hey guy's just to clarify the use of the word Aloha:

Aloha in the Hawaiian language means affection, love, peace, compassion and mercy. (Wikipedia 2011)

The reason for its use in this topic was to pay respect to the people that had such a significant part in surfing history and why they surfed.

Surfing/SUP has its roots in all cultures that have paddle a canoe/outrigger/reed boat in the ocean and caught waves back to the beach in a standing position. So the origin of surfing/SUP is still argued between historians today.

A little bit off track but I've used the word Aloha here not to ACT like a wanna be white Hawaiian but to explain a FEELING that people maybe able to relate to in some form.

Back to the topic, it's great to see the responses and how people percieve SUP in our communities. I like your answer ODSUP to the line up part of the questions. My shortboarder mates love it when i surf with them because they know i'm going to share the wave with them and set them up for the set that are coming through as well.

rodders67
rodders67
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176 posts
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20 Apr 2011 1:23pm
1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?
Dont really care so long as i'm having fun

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?
Being in the water getting maximum waves that can be ridden longer and further.
love this ****

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?
for those passionate about surfing dont think it has moved away but its all about education to those who poo poo it in the surf.
as for me in the SUP line up i just love it. if theres waves i'm on if theres no waves i'm on so who cares i am passionate.
i love this sport its AWESOME FUN
CMC
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20 Apr 2011 1:27pm
Adapt said...

Hey guy's just to clarify the use of the word Aloha:

Aloha in the Hawaiian language means affection, love, peace, compassion and mercy. (Wikipedia 2011)

The reason for its use in this topic was to pay respect to the people that had such a significant part in surfing history and why they surfed.

Surfing/SUP has its roots in all cultures that have paddle a canoe/outrigger/reed boat in the ocean and caught waves back to the beach in a standing position. So the origin of surfing/SUP is still argued between historians today.

A little bit off track but I've used the word Aloha here not to ACT like a wanna be white Hawaiian but to explain a FEELING that people maybe able to relate to in some form.

Back to the topic, it's great to see the responses and how people percieve SUP in our communities. I like your answer ODSUP to the line up part of the questions. My shortboarder mates love it when i surf with them because they know i'm going to share the wave with them and set them up for the set that are coming through as well.




Wasn't calling you a wannabe white Hawaiian just that I feel dorky myself using their words etc. Every sport I do comes from Hawaii, I would love to spend a lot of time there.

From www.to-hawaii.com/aloha.php

Aloha means: (First letters) Definitely an honourable way to live.

"Akahai," meaning kindness, to be expressed with tenderness;

"Lokahi," meaning unity,to be expressed with harmony;

"Oluolu," meaning agreeable,to be expressed with pleasantness;

"Haahaa," meaning humility, to be expressed with modesty;

"Ahonui," meaning patience, to be expressed with perseverance.
Fergus
Fergus
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20 Apr 2011 3:44pm
I do it because I saw a guy doing it at my local and it looked fun.

I tried it and found out it was great fun, a really positive experience learning a new skill and enjoyed it as a way of riding waves and keeping fit..

The guy I first saw SUPing is a good mate of mine now and so are about at least 6 other guys and some girls from my local.

Also I love to SUP on flatwater with my kids, my wife, friends and when its flat and I just need to get out on the water.

I do it cause it makes me feel good. If I could make my own I would.

I'm heading in a direction that will always include SUPing .

Aloha. (Never be afraid of using terms that are positive and mean goodwill to others)
Adapt
Adapt
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21 Apr 2011 5:05pm
Fergus said...

I do it because I saw a guy doing it at my local and it looked fun.

I tried it and found out it was great fun, a really positive experience learning a new skill and enjoyed it as a way of riding waves and keeping fit..

The guy I first saw SUPing is a good mate of mine now and so are about at least 6 other guys and some girls from my local.

Also I love to SUP on flatwater with my kids, my wife, friends and when its flat and I just need to get out on the water.

I do it cause it makes me feel good. If I could make my own I would.



I'm heading in a direction that will always include SUPing .

Aloha. (Never be afraid of using terms that are positive and mean goodwill to others)


Nice Fergus. I like where your heading!
termite
termite
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22 Apr 2011 10:11pm
Fergus said...

I do it because I saw a guy doing it at my local and it looked fun.

I tried it and found out it was great fun, a really positive experience learning a new skill and enjoyed it as a way of riding waves and keeping fit..

The guy I first saw SUPing is a good mate of mine now and so are about at least 6 other guys and some girls from my local.

Also I love to SUP on flatwater with my kids, my wife, friends and when its flat and I just need to get out on the water.

I do it cause it makes me feel good. If I could make my own I would.

I'm heading in a direction that will always include SUPing .

Aloha. (Never be afraid of using terms that are positive and mean goodwill to others)


Nice post Fergus.

Hey CMC I understand your comment about the Aloha bit but don't share your views. Can't see anything wrong with borrowing a thing from another culture that you admire.

My parting thoughts are kia kaha, kia mana - stand up for what you believe in (Adapt this is also my answer to your questions 1 and 2. The answer for 3 is a classic quote from Dean Morrison about pipe- "so far down the pecking order that I don't get to peck")

Bill
goggo
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22 Apr 2011 8:17pm
On Hawaiian language, Wiki means quick aka wikipedia. I am sure some of you have ridden on the wiki wiki shuttle at HNL. There are heaps of words from pacific languages that have plenty of good vibes, like Kiora, Kiorana, Yokwe and Vinaka vaka levu. No stress about using aloha the more the better.

Ni sai moce
No responsibility taken for linguistic inaccuracies.
fishmego
fishmego
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10 posts
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22 Apr 2011 10:56pm
You do what you do because you love. Surfing has changed so much over the years. Long bords, shorter boards, short boards and back to long boards. Now sups are starting to appear and for me I love it because it means I can continue to surf and enjoy myself as I get older.
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
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22 Apr 2011 11:01pm
IMO...

1. Do you think SUP is to commercialised by our big board manufacturers and are they dictating what the industry should look like rather then the people in the sport deciding?

Somewhat but until SUP is mainstream enough for custom shapers to make a good living then the big brands will comtinue to push the sport in the direction they choose. We influence this by what we buy.

2. What is it that makes you SUP? now really think about this one, what is it that motivates you?

For me it was originally something new to do on the bay (flat water) and I vowed I'd never do it in the surf, but I couldn't help myself. My first board, a 10'6" tanker performed just like that, but as I progressed I got hooked. I then saw a guy at Phillip Island do things on the same board as mine I didn't think were possible. Thats when the obsession really began. I just love progressing.

3. Has SUP moved away from self expression, individualism and the aloha spirit? and where do you fit into the line up?

- Self expression - NO
- Individualism - I hope so, it shouldn't be about that (if I'm interpruting it right)
- Aloha Spirit - NO, most SUP guys are good at giving it out but unfortunately still the majority of other water users don't want us there.
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