Wider Sups Where Will It All Lead?

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OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 6:59pm
I'm interested in peoples thoughts, with all the wider SUPS going around now it should effectively make SUPing easier and more accessable to the general non surfing population.

With boards going out to 35" wide, just about anyone should able to stand on one in the surf with relatively no skill at all (I didnt say surf it, I said stand on it)

We already have concerns on the west coast about safety issues at certain crowded beachs with people on 11fters taking out swimmers etc.

Imagine 45 SUPs at Torquay Point for instance!

I wonder what this summer will be like after Christmas?

What are your thoughs?

Phill
boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 5:09pm
35 wide is just crap, Sorry but it just is

Look at the walden disc this is what you will end up with
rogerthecat
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9 Sep 2009 5:20pm
In the UK it will create havoc - whilst in Wales a couple of weeks ago the lifeguards were corralling everyone together in a 200 yard stretch of beach.

It took me 20 mins to convince him that me with a 12ft board and 12ft leash and a killing zone of 25ft, may be less dangerous in another part of the beach - eventually he agreed.

Over here the breaks are getting increasingly full (small island and a lot of people getting into surfing every summer).

If wider boards permit more people to "have a go" without any coaching/advice/help then it will be carnage, knowing the way we react to things over here, that will mean draconian measures - no go areas, banning on some beaches as well as the aggro we get in some areas anyway.

Having said that, big, easy planing windsurfers have not caused the massive increase in people on the water so perhaps the fears may be unfounded - besides - who are we to deny someone the opportunity to get into such a great sport?

And breathe....
boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 5:26pm
Dont forget the paddle flying about also,

Dam im talking about myself again.
littlewalb
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9 Sep 2009 7:29pm
I think that with more people taking it up hopefully those who have been around a while can provide some guidance.
I know i learnt on a 12'oxbow and while i didnt take anyone out i certainly got into situations beyond my skill.
I know anytime i show a newbie or loan them a board i tell them to get on flat water and then chop before hitting the waves.
Saying that i would think that most people who were going to take up the sport would be doing it by now- wouldnt they?
oliver
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9 Sep 2009 5:31pm
Bring it on. I think it's great that there will be more people getting healthy and enjoying the ocean, whatever human powered craft they choose to be on.

As long as no one is hurt it's all good.
boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 5:34pm
True, I spent a lot of loot converting the bath into a shape that i was after.

Now ive just about got the hang of it. the spa jets still make it tippy
billboard
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9 Sep 2009 8:13pm
oliver said...

Bring it on. I think it's great that there will be more people getting healthy and enjoying the ocean, whatever human powered craft they choose to be on.

As long as no one is hurt it's all good.


I'm with you oliver - jeeez I wish I had been on a whopper or similar 18mths ago when I was starting out - it would have made it so much easier in the surf. The other upside is that the quicker people get comfortable in the surf then the quicker they will less of a problem out there. Hell, people who wanna surf sups are going to go out regardless of what they are paddling so it makes sense to me that they be on a board that they are gunna spend more time standing on and less time falling off on waves and getting in the way.

OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 8:24pm
I agree Oliver the more people that take up and enjoy Sup the better, I actively promote that every day!

I do however see all the complaints about crowded breaks, the agro (ie: the run in with DJ and yourself with that surfer) day after day on the forum and most people that SUP now, at least must have some skill, because they have to to stay on the board.

How do you see it when you go to your local break and there are 50 SUPS out?

I guess we can only hope the price stays high, bring on more Mc Sups I say!

Phill




oliver said...

Bring it on. I think it's great that there will be more people getting healthy and enjoying the ocean, whatever human powered craft they choose to be on.

As long as no one is hurt it's all good.


OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 8:25pm
Thats a great point wide could be good!



I'm with you oliver - jeeez I wish I had been on a whopper or similar 18mths ago when I was starting out - it would have made it so much easier in the surf. The other upside is that the quicker people get comfortable in the surf then the quicker they will less of a problem out there. Hell, people who wanna surf sups are going to go out regardless of what they are paddling so it makes sense to me that they be on a board that they are gunna spend more time standing on and less time falling off on waves and getting in the way.




Gorgo
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9 Sep 2009 8:27pm
Most kooks won't be able to get a SUP through the shore break except at benign beaches like OG or Fairhaven. Those beaches are wide enough to absorb hundreds of SUPs.

Reef breaks might be a problem but most are less accessible and a total noob should be put off by the existing crowds.
boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 6:29pm
OG SUP said...

I agree Oliver the more people that take up and enjoy up the better, I actively promote that every day!

I do however see all the complaints about crowded breaks, the agro (ie: the run in with DJ and yourself with that surfer) day after day on the forum and most people that SUP now have at least must have some skill, because they have to to stay on the board.

How do you see it when you go to your local break and ther are 50 SUPS out?

I guess we can only hope the price stays high, bring on more Mc Sups I say!

Phill

Mc sups did you say





oliver said...

Bring it on. I think it's great that there will be more people getting healthy and enjoying the ocean, whatever human powered craft they choose to be on.

As long as no one is hurt it's all good.





OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 8:38pm
Hey Gorgo,

In summer on a warm day Main Beach gets for a guess maybee 2000 people it is a total ZOO, I dont even go near the place.

I believe 100 even 50 Sups at OG Main Beach in summer on a warm day would mean serious injury for someone probably children.

It is diabolical even with mals now!

At 35" wide and 267l a lot of kooks will get out in my opinion.

I have not tried a Naish so I dont know how corky it is, but the wopper imho is extremly stable. I could stand on the nose on take off no problem and I am 105kg.

Add 50 SUPs to Torquay Point in summer.

I was there last week in winter early morning and it was still a zoo!

Phill






Gorgo said...

Most kooks won't be able to get a SUP through the shore break except at benign beaches like OG or Fairhaven. Those beaches are wide enough to absorb hundreds of SUPs.

Reef breaks might be a problem but most are less accessible and a total noob should be put off by the existing crowds.


boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 6:43pm
Ahhh clean green NZ beach for miles and no bugger to be seen if you like it that way
billboard
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9 Sep 2009 8:53pm
boarder paul said...

Ahhh clean green NZ beach for miles and no bugger to be seen if you like it that way


Yes indeed but you guys do have the best potential sup spot on the planet - no I wont let on (blue house)
OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 8:58pm
HMMMMMMMMMM,

Could it be?


boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 7:18pm
It verry well could be.
boarder paul
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9 Sep 2009 7:32pm
billboard said...

boarder paul said...

Ahhh clean green NZ beach for miles and no bugger to be seen if you like it that way


Yes indeed but you guys do have the best potential sup spot on the planet - no I wont let on (blue house)




Ben dover
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9 Sep 2009 9:40pm
Yer i'm currently shaping up a 6'5 x 38" x 3 1/2 will post some pics when i get time...

I really think its all about the width of the board for stability and the tail shape.

Its got a really pulled in pin tail should shred...
OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 9:46pm
Cant wait to see the pics 6'5 x38 wow

Phill
rogerthecat
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9 Sep 2009 8:58pm
6'5" x 38"!!! at what point can I start riding my dining room table?
Still on a 27" wide SB 12'2" which is fine, have to get a ride on a Whopper just to see what it feels like.
Must be similar to paddling the SB Go 200 that's about 1metre wide, so that'll be 40" in old money !!

One more thought though, when does the increased width create paddling problems/inefficiencies - surely there is an optimum width?

(me in Snowdonia 2 yrs ago on teh GO 200 - that's when the SUP bug bit me):




OG SUP
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9 Sep 2009 11:09pm
Hi RTC,

I believe 28 - 29 is the optimal performance width for bigger guys, 27 - 28 for 80 - 95kg and 27 for the smaller guys, 25 - 26 for kids.

If fun paddling is your goal go up to 30 inches and all should be good.

I think when you get beyond 30 unless you have some serious mojo you will never get it up on a rail effectively.

But each to thier own

Phill

Garethg
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10 Sep 2009 5:35am
rogerthecat said...

In the UK it will create havoc - whilst in Wales a couple of weeks ago the lifeguards were corralling everyone together in a 200 yard stretch of beach.

It took me 20 mins to convince him that me with a 12ft board and 12ft leash and a killing zone of 25ft, may be less dangerous in another part of the beach - eventually he agreed.

Over here the breaks are getting increasingly full (small island and a lot of people getting into surfing every summer).

If wider boards permit more people to "have a go" without any coaching/advice/help then it will be carnage, knowing the way we react to things over here, that will mean draconian measures - no go areas, banning on some beaches as well as the aggro we get in some areas anyway.

Having said that, big, easy planing windsurfers have not caused the massive increase in people on the water so perhaps the fears may be unfounded - besides - who are we to deny someone the opportunity to get into such a great sport?

And breathe....



Hey Roger,

Are you going to Swansea on the 18th for the BAE festival and BSUPA comp. It is my first time to surf in the Uk from Sydney's Northern Beaches so any location tips would be appreciated.
rogerthecat
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10 Sep 2009 4:58am
Hey Gareth,

No I wont be at Swansea.
I am currently nursing Jane who came out of hospital this morning after surgery on her lower spine to free up some trapped nerves and a disc prolapse. I have, however, got a couple of hours free to go for a quick paddle tomorrow in a local lake - beggars can;t be choosers, as they say.

Swansea is quite a way from me and have only been around St Davids at Pembrokeshire - Whitesands and Newgale were brilliant, very wide and nice beaches. The break was a bit blown out when we wee there due to 35mph+ onshore winds but still quite fun.

How long are you over here for? And, are you heading north at all?

Cheers,Paul.
goatman
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10 Sep 2009 10:11am
OG SUP said...

Hi RTC,

I believe 28 - 29 is the optimal performance width for bigger guys, 27 - 28 for 80 - 95kg and 27 for the smaller guys, 25 - 26 for kids.

If fun paddling is your goal go up to 30 inches and all should be good.

I think when you get beyond 30 unless you have some serious mojo you will never get it up on a rail effectively.

But each to thier own

Phill


Spot on I reckon Phill. I had a look at Hilly's new stick (timber PSH) this morning - he is 105kegs - and it is about 29" with beautifil fine rails at the rear running into a pin tail.
Gorgo
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10 Sep 2009 10:12am
There's a possibility that SUP could reduce crowding by making it easier for people to spread out. Rather than surf the main break nearest the car park it becomes feasible and fun to paddle out then cruise a km or so down the coast to find your own private break.
Ben dover
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10 Sep 2009 10:30am
Just pulling ur leg Phil...

Maybe i needed to use this so you got the joke?

I normally ride a 40" wide board but need something a bit narrower so i went the 38"
DavidJohn
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10 Sep 2009 11:59am
I knew it Jake..

DJ
teatrea
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10 Sep 2009 12:30pm
Ben dover said...

Just pulling ur leg Phil...

Maybe i needed to use this so you got the joke?

I normally ride a 40" wide board but need something a bit narrower so i went the 38"


havent seen you supping for a while Jake , do you have a secret spot!
lance parma
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10 Sep 2009 1:03pm
Another 2 cents worth....

Cost of boards may be a factor inhibiting take up of SUP. Plus, newcomers to the waves will be more likely enticed to try regular surfing, and will be likely to take up the totally wrong equipment i.e 6'0 Kelly slater model.

Popular long - boardable reef / point waves are already crowded most of the time & one might presume that experienced surfers who take up sup will learn new skills at C grade breaks, or on days when conditions preclude large numbers of long- boarders hitting the water i.e too small, ordinary conditions etc. Newcomers to the waves taking up SUP need to be politely guided, educated and encouaged. We've all seen learners struggling in the wrong places - it's us to us to help them out with some positive guidance and welcoming stoke. There's nothing worse than seeing a hot shot abuse a blatant learner for getting in the way.

Wave riding boards will be smaller too, as is the norm in Hawaii where most semi skilled riders go for the snub vector type boards circa 9' rather than the big tankers. Jumping on one of these and riding waves requires true surf skill so provided surf etiquitte is folloewed, more SUP's at a decent and traditionally long board break, won't be a problem.

The real problem of crowding will come from agitated / frustrated folks riding the wrong equipment at the wrong places and also a dog eat dog numb - nut mindset which is fostered by some real dumb surf media.

SUP opens up new waves and new opportunites for open minded intelligent folks so plan to stay stoked in future!
LSD
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10 Sep 2009 1:29pm
On the surf coast it appears the population growth of SUB riders has slowed to a trickle....is this right? Or is it just the long cold winter?
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