i had a surf with dale the other week and when we finished he said to me, while you are getting speed and putting it up there, you are not getting drive out of turns. i kinda knew it, so i took it on board, brought a wider base 7" fin solutions fin and worked on it. now the alley wide bank has been going off and is getting hollow at times.i love coming off the top and driving/ hooking back down. only thing is i am nose diving at times and other times i have to back off to fit the board in the wave. i am going to talk to dale about it, but before i do, i was wondering if i should get a bit more rocker in or go shorter- any suggestions from anyone? don't get me wrong, my board is awesome, its just i wont to try and take things a little further and why not when i have such a cracking good wave out the front

hilly said...

You probably have said it before but:
What weight are you?
What board are you on? Pulled in nose?
Have you got your back foot right at the back of the board?
Do you use the paddle to turn or just surf?
Fin sizes, Etc

So many variables easy to fault the equipment, can you post video of yourself surfing?

Can you demo a smaller more rockered board back to back to see if makes a difference.

ok 78kg, dc8 10 thinner than standard,yes,yes,7" fin solutions and soar hexlite large side fins. hilly i know what you mean, but i,m talking a moves in hollow or critical sections, not on every move.i'm arching back with my back foot on the pad kicker- not much more i can do except back off on the descent
cheers
ps. mr chapman dropped in on me on a wave i watch him do a backhand reo and he put the nose under, but managed to drag it out. haha he said, i nearly nose dived and i said i know, i was watching you from about 1 metre away

Humour me, 7 inch fin for a 78kg rider seems big. At 105kg I use a 6.5 on 12er and 6 on a 9 6. Have you tried a full thruster set up with centre fin right back in the box?? should be drivey but allow you to snap in the pocket IMHO. the bigger fin might be projecting you too far down the wave rather than sliding, consequently the nose dives. Guessing here! good luck

hilly said...

Humour me, 7 inch fin for a 78kg rider seems big. At 105kg I use a 6.5 on 12er and 6 on a 9 6. Have you tried a full thruster set up with centre fin right back in the box?? should be drivey but allow you to snap in the pocket IMHO. the bigger fin might be projecting you too far down the wave rather than sliding, consequently the nose dives. Guessing here! good luck

yeah, i was reducing fin sizes and did try sunnies all round, very loose, but not enough go for me. it was like going everywhere, but nowhere. the dc does have a wide tail.after what was said to me, i went back to a bigger fin. i wasn't getting enough projection through the turns
ps i getting confused

Hey lacey,
My suggestion initially, is to go with wot the others say about fins changes and finding what FEEL YOU LIKE , sounds like you are rapt with your board.
For a new board ( iam no eggspert, If you are getting nailed in the front of the board through the turns and lip smacks you may need more volume throught the rear of the board.
but if your riding in hollow one day then fattish type waves the next it is all up to you and knowing your board.
S..t the DC 's look great !
PS .. I would not go with more rocker if your want more speed, unless you are hanging out at a hollow wave all the time

Mick

hilly said...

Humour me, 7 inch fin for a 78kg rider seems big. At 105kg I use a 6.5 on 12er and 6 on a 9 6. Have you tried a full thruster set up with centre fin right back in the box?? should be drivey but allow you to snap in the pocket IMHO. the bigger fin might be projecting you too far down the wave rather than sliding, consequently the nose dives. Guessing here! good luck

HILLY YOUR A LEGEND, everything you said was spot on. the time i had a go before i never had the fin back far enough. now it,s slide and drive.gained a bucket load of stability to. i owe you a few beers if your up this way
cheers
ps those on the small fin program, what's better- sunnies or occy's

62mac said...

lacey said...

i had a surf with dale the other week and when we finished he said to me, while you are getting speed and putting it up there, you are not getting drive out of turns. i kinda knew it, so i took it on board, brought a wider base 7" fin solutions fin and worked on it. now the alley wide bank has been going off and is getting hollow at times.i love coming off the top and driving/ hooking back down. only thing is i am nose diving at times and other times i have to back off to fit the board in the wave. i am going to talk to dale about it, but before i do, i was wondering if i should get a bit more rocker in or go shorter- any suggestions from anyone? don't get me wrong, my board is awesome, its just i wont to try and take things a little further and why not when i have such a cracking good wave out the front

Another sport sorry Lacey just taking a cheap shot

mac

Im mainly riding quads, and with very small fins, but I have been riding robdogs 9 6 psh thruster a bit lately, Im def all for smaller fins.

Why all these big fins?? there for slow moving mals for sure will always be running smallest fins possible on all my boards.

lacey said...

hilly said...

Humour me, 7 inch fin for a 78kg rider seems big. At 105kg I use a 6.5 on 12er and 6 on a 9 6. Have you tried a full thruster set up with centre fin right back in the box?? should be drivey but allow you to snap in the pocket IMHO. the bigger fin might be projecting you too far down the wave rather than sliding, consequently the nose dives. Guessing here! good luck

HILLY YOUR A LEGEND, everything you said was spot on. the time i had a go before i never had the fin back far enough. now it,s slide and drive.gained a bucket load of stability to. i owe you a few beers if your up this way
cheers
ps those on the small fin program, what's better- sunnies or occy's

Worked for me too! Cannot claim it though Casso and Blane gave me the idea. Will gladly drink your beer though.

Grolsh, becks, coopers, corona what ever! All good with me

rodriguez said...

Agreed

62mac said...

simple fin set up,the bigger the surf the bigger the fin,vise versa.

mac

Not so sure, in high speed situations small fins work better. Big fin might feel stiffer(safer) smaller fin will allow more performance fine line. I prefer the fin that works best for the board for me. I use a 6.5 inch fin in the gun in large waves some like a 8 inch fin. Up to the individual. Fun to play around with

62mac said...

simple fin set up,the bigger the surf the bigger the fin,vise versa.

mac

Ahh....I usually don't change fins, in fact stiffening up the board for bigger surf could make it more likely to 'track'. Usually guns require smaller fins for example.

I'm with Brooko on the smaller fins thing. I have a G5 center I have used in 1 foot to nearly triple overhead.

the wide bank alley had some great 2-3 foot waves yesterday on the out going tide. boy the boards sits beautifully and holds a nice line in that spot - pocket/ coverup area of a wave

tha dogman said...

lacey

try my trick

simon anderson large sides 6" fluid centre set back in the box

and a 50 pie a day diet for plenty of extra backfoot gumption

sorta works ok for me if its over 3 to 4 ft

ok, but can you give me some measurements from the tail to the back of all your fins when you get a chance. you are riding a naish 9'3"? thanks
cheers

9'3 banana naish arama

fin ranges from around 120mm to the tail fully back with my fin box as it can go back further but it gets loose in the box used for 4ft plus

and around 160 to 180mm to the tail when it is pushed forward it also can go forward more but gets loose in the box as well for small waves

something like that