anyone put a wail on their SUP and surf the waves?

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Yuppy
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15 Feb 2014 2:21pm
does anyone windsurf their SUP in the waves?

i first did this last year in Maui. it was fabulous!

why is their not a category for this?
husq2100
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15 Feb 2014 2:12pm
There is:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/
antonfourie
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15 Feb 2014 6:05pm
Never a wail but same have put a sail on ....
GizzieNZ
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15 Feb 2014 4:56pm


Clicked on this link thinking Oh Wow....here is a link to a forum topic dealing specifically with whacking a windsurf sail on a sup.....but no
Just an arrow pointing in the vague direction of windsurfing in general
Poor effort I think
husq2100
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15 Feb 2014 9:32pm
GizzieNZ said..



Clicked on this link thinking Oh Wow....here is a link to a forum topic dealing specifically with whacking a windsurf sail on a sup.....but no
Just an arrow pointing in the vague direction of windsurfing in general
Poor effort I think


meh... I guess I just find it lame to put a sail on a SUP. FFS they have been doing this for 40 years already. The gear and boards are way better than a sail on a sup.

Maybe some one will put a stationary engine in a horse drawn cart and figure its cool
momasfolly
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15 Feb 2014 11:50pm
Why bother with the mast plug at all? SUP, stand up paddle.
Windsurf. Mast on board. What a novel idea. If I remember correctly. They came first and were huge 30 years ago. Totally different concept in board design now.
HumanCartoon
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16 Feb 2014 12:03am
Occasionally, I like to bolt a sail rig on one of my SUPs and windsurf it. it's a sh1t-ton of fun and I don't have to buy yet another board to enjoy it...occasionally.
Twimby
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15 Feb 2014 9:11pm
Put a wail on on my Sup. Whole bloody thing got eaten by a Pointer. Oh well it is WA
Yuppy
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16 Feb 2014 6:39pm
husq2100 said...
GizzieNZ said..



Clicked on this link thinking Oh Wow....here is a link to a forum topic dealing specifically with whacking a windsurf sail on a sup.....but no
Just an arrow pointing in the vague direction of windsurfing in general
Poor effort I think


meh... I guess I just find it lame to put a sail on a SUP. FFS they have been doing this for 40 years already. The gear and boards are way better than a sail on a sup.

Maybe some one will put a stationary engine in a horse drawn cart and figure its cool


Hus. I assume you haven't tried it. I also thought it was a lame idea until I did it in Maui last year.

It is a heap of fun. They ride very differently to a windsurfer

Does anyone else agree its worthy of its own category?
Jeroensurf
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16 Feb 2014 5:22pm
Did it a couple of years and its good fun when its too windy to paddle and not enough for planing on a waveboard in that particular F4-F5 windrange.I stopped with it because in those conditions we have a strong current and poor waves and I can never turnn as tight and catch as many waves as with just a paddle.
Nowadays when I i,m in doubt I rather go training on my raceboard in sheltered water.At the site from Hotsails you got a part of the forum dedicated to this discipline, started even before the SUP,s went offhttp://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=4
husq2100
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16 Feb 2014 9:34pm
Yuppy said..

husq2100 said...
GizzieNZ said..



Clicked on this link thinking Oh Wow....here is a link to a forum topic dealing specifically with whacking a windsurf sail on a sup.....but no
Just an arrow pointing in the vague direction of windsurfing in general
Poor effort I think


meh... I guess I just find it lame to put a sail on a SUP. FFS they have been doing this for 40 years already. The gear and boards are way better than a sail on a sup.

Maybe some one will put a stationary engine in a horse drawn cart and figure its cool


Hus. I assume you haven't tried it. I also thought it was a lame idea until I did it in Maui last year.

It is a heap of fun. They ride very differently to a windsurfer

Does anyone else agree its worthy of its own category?


nope I have not tried it..... nor have I tried shelving pills up my arse

I ride my SUPs to surf. I will SUP surf in **** conditions before I paddle flat water. Its just what I want to do. SUP should just try and be good at one thing, SUP!

With all the years of development, Im sure there is a windsurfer set up that would beat any SUP-sail.

Im not going to buy a SUP with a fitting in it as it will be a board that is a compromise.

MickMc
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16 Feb 2014 11:10pm
husq2100 said..

Yuppy said..

husq2100 said...
GizzieNZ said..



Clicked on this link thinking Oh Wow....here is a link to a forum topic dealing specifically with whacking a windsurf sail on a sup.....but no
Just an arrow pointing in the vague direction of windsurfing in general
Poor effort I think


meh... I guess I just find it lame to put a sail on a SUP. FFS they have been doing this for 40 years already. The gear and boards are way better than a sail on a sup.

Maybe some one will put a stationary engine in a horse drawn cart and figure its cool


Hus. I assume you haven't tried it. I also thought it was a lame idea until I did it in Maui last year.

It is a heap of fun. They ride very differently to a windsurfer

Does anyone else agree its worthy of its own category?


nope I have not tried it..... nor have I tried shelving pills up my arse

I ride my SUPs to surf. I will SUP surf in **** conditions before I paddle flat water. Its just what I want to do. SUP should just try and be good at one thing, SUP!

With all the years of development, Im sure there is a windsurfer set up that would beat any SUP-sail.

Im not going to buy a SUP with a fitting in it as it will be a board that is a compromise.



.... but if you do shove some of those pills up your arse you might find you're surfing in sh!t conditions.
Jungleman
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16 Feb 2014 11:41pm
Some SUP manufacturers have worked out that it makes perfect sense to have a wind option on their boards.
Manufacturers that do not have the option are definitely losing sales. It is one reason that swayed me to my Fanatic Allwave.
Just a well placed screw hole, and suddenly, not only do you have a great SUP, but a ton of fun with a Sail!!







LordRumpunc
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17 Feb 2014 9:21am
Anyone taken the wail off a windsurfer and, say... paddled the board around in the waves?
husq2100
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17 Feb 2014 10:17am
Jungleman said..

Some SUP manufacturers have worked out that it makes perfect sense to have a wind option on their boards.
Manufacturers that do not have the option are definitely losing sales. It is one reason that swayed me to my Fanatic Allwave.
Just a well placed screw hole, and suddenly, not only do you have a great SUP, but a ton of fun with a Sail!!









See the bold txt.... you are kidding yourself, right??

Total number of SUPBs sold world wide, what % have the ability to add a mast/sale.....
westozwind
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17 Feb 2014 9:01am
husq2100 said..

Jungleman said..

Some SUP manufacturers have worked out that it makes perfect sense to have a wind option on their boards.
Manufacturers that do not have the option are definitely losing sales. It is one reason that swayed me to my Fanatic Allwave.
Just a well placed screw hole, and suddenly, not only do you have a great SUP, but a ton of fun with a Sail!!









See the bold txt.... you are kidding yourself, right??

Total number of SUPBs sold world wide, what % have the ability to add a mast/sale.....


I think Jungleman may be on the money. Here in WA, a good deal of (quality) SUP's are sold from windsurfing/kitesurfing shops. For a windsurfer, it's a great no wind/light wind alternative. If you have 2 side by side, one with mast screw & one without, you will get the one WITH the mast screw.
For the average punter, the ability to do 2 sports with the one board is also a winner. All JP SUP's (except the inflatables) come with a mast screw. These are not "compromise" SUP's by a long shot. Free you mind husq2100
husq2100
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17 Feb 2014 3:08pm
westozwind said..

husq2100 said..

Jungleman said..

Some SUP manufacturers have worked out that it makes perfect sense to have a wind option on their boards.
Manufacturers that do not have the option are definitely losing sales. It is one reason that swayed me to my Fanatic Allwave.
Just a well placed screw hole, and suddenly, not only do you have a great SUP, but a ton of fun with a Sail!!









See the bold txt.... you are kidding yourself, right??

Total number of SUPBs sold world wide, what % have the ability to add a mast/sale.....


I think Jungleman may be on the money. Here in WA, a good deal of (quality) SUP's are sold from windsurfing/kitesurfing shops. For a windsurfer, it's a great no wind/light wind alternative. If you have 2 side by side, one with mast screw & one without, you will get the one WITH the mast screw.
For the average punter, the ability to do 2 sports with the one board is also a winner. All JP SUP's (except the inflatables) come with a mast screw. These are not "compromise" SUP's by a long shot. Free you mind husq2100


OK, so as close minded as I am, please give me the answer to question on %.

The majority of people getting into SUP world wide are water novices, thats what attracks them. Its easy to do on any body of water. Those that are going to Windsurf their sup are the MINORITY and will already be familiar with water activites, probably SUP among other things.

I dont care who puts a screw in what board. You say its easy and adds to the versitility. How easy would it be to wind sup my low volume Naish 8.4? Do you think Naish lost sales $$$ because that range doesnt have a sail/mast screw.

Im happy you have the versatility and it makes fun for you, thats the key. Remove your emotional imput and you will see that SUP sail is in the VAST minority and at this stage at least, doesnt require its own Sub Forum




Jungleman
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17 Feb 2014 6:57pm
Fact - SUP`s with sail option installed are a growing breed of board.
JP Windsurf SUP range (lots of different models) / BIC Jungle / BIC Ace Tech / NAISH / FANATIC - various models / Starboard have added them on many models from their short SUP windsup 8.10 up to their 12.2 and even on their inflatables. And there would be a bunch more not listed here.

Manufacturers have gradually seen that this is a very low cost addition that will make their boards appeal to a larger customer base. Basic maths really and a no brainer for return on the dollar. I suspect these boards will have a better resale value as well for the same reason.

If someone that only does SUP settles on a particular SUP, are they really NOT then going to buy because it has a sail insert? I suspect 99.9% will say great, I may actually try that one day! And if I don`t then it doesn`t matter.

Does an insert make the board a compromise? I suspect on some models this may be so, (all-rounders) which is probably what husq2100 is saying. However there are other SUP`s with insert that remain excellent no-compromise boards. Having the option doesnt necessarily indicate a compromise.

I suspect that a category for WindSUP would be nice but probably unnecessary. If you have questions or comments about sailing one, then post in the wind surfing cat. and if SUPing, then post in the SUP cat.
makesurf
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17 Feb 2014 9:31pm
LordRumpunc said..

Anyone taken the sail off a windsurfer and, say... paddled the board around in the waves?


Yes, I have and sailed a SUP.


IMHO booties are important for traction.

Instead of changing sails when the wind picks up it is easier to change boards.
My SUP (pictured) is 130 litres and my sailboard is 112 litres.

[-38.4230, 145.0788] <= answer to your other secret question..
weiry
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17 Feb 2014 9:05pm
^^^ thats one narrow sup
Yuppy
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17 Feb 2014 10:37pm
LordRumpunc said..

Anyone taken the wail off a windsurfer and, say... paddled the board around in the waves?



Yes. I tried this on a 170l starboard go. The fin is too big so it just wants to go in a straight line. Also, the rails are very thick. So thick that even if you stop on the edge you just can't turn it.
Yuppy
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17 Feb 2014 10:41pm
Dear hus

You were open minded enough to try SUP and it turns out you are quite passionate about it. Why not be open to wind SUP?

It's really cool. The sensation on the face of the wave is very similar to SUP. b it you don't have to paddle. How can that be cool?
Ashmullet
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17 Feb 2014 11:07pm
Is wailing as cool as sharking right now if so I'm in
scott mckerc
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18 Feb 2014 1:39pm
husq2100
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18 Feb 2014 5:27pm
I still stand by my comments that sailing a sup truely designed for SURF is a compromise, either of the SUP board for surfing, or the sail board.

There is no way that wider and thicker make a better perfroming SUP in the surf. More stable, easier to paddle maybe, but better on the waves, nope.

Im sure there will be some good boards come out as per above, but will they be best at one thing?

Im sure places like WA are a great market for these boards also, but how much of the global market share is that?
grumplestiltskin
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18 Feb 2014 4:03pm
Not sure who I really agree with here (probably nobody )

I think its a great option to have the screw hole added in

The fact is, if your paddling it ... its supping

if your sailing it ... it windsurfing

I think we lost sight of the request for another forum category ... thats not required.


Jeroensurf
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18 Feb 2014 4:15pm
@ husq: performance wise you are right, but buying a sup and an slog n ride waveboard is also a big compromise on my bankacount and storage space so as an option its imo great. i wind supped for years but stopped with it but every now and then the Missus likes to Windsurf, just reaching back and forth, and being able to put here on a sup saves me a board.Width: there are various topics about width.Basically if you have the skills and conditions smaller is better, but not everybody is blessed with those two coming together.
I,m 90kg, living in the netherlands-Europe and sup at the Northsea in Europe. We got only beachbreaks with shifting peaks, we call 6 sec a long wave period and most of the waves are wind generated and ripped apart by the tide and chop topped...ooh and did I already mention we surfing from mid-oct till mid april in a 5mm hooded wetsuit, 6mm booties and wearing gloves??? .....and there are lots of people who surf even worse conditions as I do.In the for me "normal" conditions a wider board like the 8.10 is great and make you spend more time on the board instead of swimming next to it and got your willie hiding for a long time. My 2th board is a Naish Hokua9.0 that is pretty difficult to surf here, wobbly, hard to catch waves with and needs help to generate speed on.When i,m on holiday to the clean Atlantic waves of Cornwall, France, The Canary Islands or Ireland the "difficult" Hokua is plenty stable, a blast to surf and in the better conditions I can easily paddle a smaller board (and makes me wonder why I even go out at my homespots ).

scott mckerc
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18 Feb 2014 4:28pm

The point is, there's a now a bunch of surfers in Margs that are wanting to have a crack at SUP (even if they hide the fact from their mates.)
If it's got a hole in the deck they may also want to give windsurfing a go, (as many of them have also voiced) having watched us have so much fun in the arvo's when it's blown out.
It just gives the option for giving it a go without having to outlay a bunch more cash to try a whole new sport which couuld open up a world of possibilities. (if someone is willing to open their eyes.)


Jungleman
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18 Feb 2014 9:21pm
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husq2100
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18 Feb 2014 8:53pm
scott mckerc said..


The point is, there's a now a bunch of surfers in Margs that are wanting to have a crack at SUP (even if they hide the fact from their mates.)
If it's got a hole in the deck they may also want to give windsurfing a go, (as many of them have also voiced) having watched us have so much fun in the arvo's when it's blown out.
It just gives the option for giving it a go without having to outlay a bunch more cash to try a whole new sport which couuld open up a world of possibilities. (if someone is willing to open their eyes.)




I do not despute any of your points here. Some of my responses were to the broad statement that manufactures are loosing sales if they do not cater for it. I woud go as far as to say, part there of, a manufactures range, MAY loose sales in particular locations to some people. I still say that is in the minority world wide. Does that mean I think they should not exsist? hell no! They fit the requirement for those that want them.

As for the boards, well I still see the boards with a sail/mast attachment having to be a little designed in that favour. So far, I have only seen vids of what looks like guys that have previous windsurfing experince doing it on the smaller type SUP with sails. Even still they are not the same boards that are surf only design. Sure it can be done, but its getting in that harder catagory which reduces that market again.

If you are having fun, more power to you. THATS THE POINT really.

Yuppy
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19 Feb 2014 12:05am
scott mckerc said..



Great video Scott
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