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laceys lane
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8 May 2009 9:00pm
i have been following forums about imported boards, reviews, what fins to use, problems etc.i,m a long time surfer and have only ever had boards with stringers, sups included, as i believe they give the best feel.recently i've noticed more custom sups being in topics. i think the imports might have had their peak and as the sport grows more discerning suppers will turn to locally made boards for local conditions!!!
firstpoint
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9 May 2009 4:38am
couldn't agree more,the local shapers know what our waves are like and can tweak the shapes to suit our needs,nothing wrong with choice and the importers certainly give that and being able to buy a board off the rack is what most of us want,but are we getting the leftover shapes dumped on us,imagine how many obsolete shapes have been made in asia and how long it will take to sell surplus stock before we get new shapes.
OG SUP
OG SUP
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9 May 2009 8:14am
Hi Guys,

I have had the pleasure of seeing my children ride hand crafted boards by Dave Boyd (Imperial Surf Boards) you simply can not get a board to suit there small size and weight. Compared to many of the production boards they are light years ahead for 2 reasons.

Daves boards have more bottom contour, rocker and plan shape rework than a Hollywood porn star! He is a proven longboard and short board shaper over many years and rides and developes his own shapes.

1) They are tailored to the exact needs of the person riding them!

2) They are tailored to the waves they want to ride them in.

I do however believe that some of the production boards are also at the cutting edge, Blane from PSH is one shaper pumping out the latest technology weekly, but he only shapes SUP. I think now he has too many great boards if that is possible.

I guess you dont go to a Chinese, japanese, Mexican cafe if you want great Peking Duck do you!

Best regards

Phill
62mac
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9 May 2009 6:37am
lacey said...

i have been following forums about imported boards, reviews, what fins to use, problems etc.i,m a long time surfer and have only ever had boards with stringers, sups included, as i believe they give the best feel.recently i've noticed more custom sups being in topics. i think the imports might have had their peak and as the sport grows more discerning suppers will turn to locally made boards for local conditions!!!


I agree,some months ago I wrote the SHAME topic which I mentioned how we have some of the best shapers in the world downunder!
I don't know about imported products having peaked,they will alway's be leaders in the market,but the local manufactures will grow and more than match them,which is great for us punters
I believe SUP boards will follow the Longboard trends as far as imports v's local!
I can't see it any defferent in the future,I am drawing my view from history and why would SUP be any different IMHO. looks like we will have a huge selection!

mac
laceys lane
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 8:44am
62mac said...

lacey said...

i have been following forums about imported boards, reviews, what fins to use, problems etc.i,m a long time surfer and have only ever had boards with stringers, sups included, as i believe they give the best feel.recently i've noticed more custom sups being in topics. i think the imports might have had their peak and as the sport grows more discerning suppers will turn to locally made boards for local conditions!!!


I agree,some months ago I wrote the SHAME topic which I mentioned how we have some of the best shapers in the world downunder!
I don't know about imported products having peaked,they will alway's be leaders in the market,but the local manufactures will grow and more than match them,which is great for us punters
I believe SUP boards will follow the Longboard trends as far as imports v's local!
I can't see it any defferent in the future,I am drawing my view from history and why would SUP be any different IMHO. looks like we will have a huge selection!

mac



i agree there will always be imported models. my guess the 2nd or 3rd board for somebody will be probably be a custom. i wonder if there will be local shop boards on the racks at some stage
cheers
Jon E B
Jon E B
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9 May 2009 8:22am
Gentlemen,
You have hit the nail on the head! Custom is where the market is going. Why ride a boat if you want a maneuverable surfboard? Get with your local shapers! Get what you really want - what you really deserve! Defy the colonialists!
Surfdaily,
Jon E.B. (the guy with the Ned Kelly beard)
DavidJohn
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9 May 2009 10:59am
There's nothing better than getting with a local shaper and doing the custom thing but I see the future different.. I see a bigger range of boards from the big sup company's that will cover all conditions and at a very competitive price to the local shapers.. Especially in the big down-wind and race boards that cost big money for one-offs and unproven designs.

DJ
laceys lane
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 11:28am
i would rather see local boards. dale chapman is doing some good things with down winders and racers. psh have a good selection of shorter sups with varying wides. i don,t mind the feel of them, but have only paddled still water. naish are on the money with their boards for aussie waves, but for me don't give that surfing feeling. however i feel too many import boards have been designed for the states and hawaii and are a bit on the narrow side.for me it can,t be any better than going to a good shaper, doing up a design on his laptop, get to see a 3d image, getting board that surfs like a board and then giving feedback for the next - half the fun
Marvin
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9 May 2009 9:50am
Naive question:

A new import costs $1800 to $2500

What would one expect to pay for a locally shaped board in the range of 9' to 11'?
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 11:59am
downwind said...

Naive question:

A new import costs $1800 to $2500

What would one expect to pay for a locally shaped board in the range of 9' to 11'?


i,m getting a woody jack custom for $1800 including fins and grip, but will supply my own
firstpoint
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9 May 2009 12:38pm
rod hocker of surfshapes is $1100 gripped with fixed fins,$150 more for plugs and boxes,custom shaped for that money,try that with chinese imports,they should be under a grand with the labour cost in china,yank shapers cashing in on the aussie market with cheap behind the times imports.like i said before,imagine how many obsolete boards are sitting in warehouses
firstpoint
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9 May 2009 12:45pm

what do you know about downwind race boards dj,we have the two best downwind shapers in the world in stuey cambell and dale chapman and you claim they are unproven,ask woogie,dan sheard and our other downwinders who make the best boards for racing and it wont be chinese crap,no offense dj but stick to the wonderful photo stories and try an aussie custom one day
DavidJohn said...

There's nothing better than getting with a local shaper and doing the custom thing but I see the future different.. I see a bigger range of boards from the big sup company's that will cover all conditions and at a very competitive price to the local shapers.. Especially in the big down-wind and race boards that cost big money for one-offs and unproven designs.

DJ


AA
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9 May 2009 1:30pm
The industry cannot survive on Custom alone. There is a place for both types of boards in the market and what will win out is good shapes, good designs, customer service and consistancy.

There are Pro's and Cons for both local product and imports and this is bourne out from feedback on the shop floor, demo's and the schools. This why you also will find most retailers supporting both, we basically reflect what the market wants.

One thing is for sure a lot of Aussie jobs depend on these imports from the docks through the importers, through to the retailers who run schools, demo's, clubs and socials. Most of the big events held so far in Australia have been made possible by the imported brands, so it is not as though they are not 'giving back'.

I be carfull writing off either one - both ultimatley support a lot of Aussie jobs and shouting down either one can do harm to these jobs.


Andrew.A
DavidJohn
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9 May 2009 1:35pm
firstpoint said...


what do you know about downwind race boards dj,we have the two best downwind shapers in the world in stuey cambell and dale chapman and you claim they are unproven,ask woogie,dan sheard and our other downwinders who make the best boards for racing and it wont be chinese crap,no offense dj but stick to the wonderful photo stories and try an aussie custom one day
DavidJohn said...

There's nothing better than getting with a local shaper and doing the custom thing but I see the future different.. I see a bigger range of boards from the big sup company's that will cover all conditions and at a very competitive price to the local shapers.. Especially in the big down-wind and race boards that cost big money for one-offs and unproven designs.

DJ





firstpoint.. I was not referring to DC or Stuey's boards because they are the exception.. maybe I should have made that clear.. I was referring to the 99% of other surfboard shapers that if they were to attempt a race board or real down-winder it would most likely be their first attempt and although there is a chance of it turning out great it's unlikely IMO.

I will continue with my photo stories (thanks for the complement) and I have tried Aussie customs..heaps of them and I certainly have nothing against Aussie boards or their shapers.. I was rapt to try one of Board Bumps Surf Shapes boards last week and it was fantastic.

Comments like that (yours) will cause lurkers to continue to just lurk and scare some or those here to not contribute or say what they think.. The problem with these forums is that without the body language or being face to face some comments can appear to be quite rude or nasty.. Please let's be nice to each other no matter how much we agree or disagree with each other..

DJ



camo hosk
camo hosk
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9 May 2009 1:40pm
firstpoint said...


what do you know about downwind race boards dj,we have the two best downwind shapers in the world in stuey cambell and dale chapman and you claim they are unproven,ask woogie,dan sheard and our other downwinders who make the best boards for racing and it wont be chinese crap,no offense dj but stick to the wonderful photo stories and try an aussie custom one day
DavidJohn said...

There's nothing better than getting with a local shaper and doing the custom thing but I see the future different.. I see a bigger range of boards from the big sup company's that will cover all conditions and at a very competitive price to the local shapers.. Especially in the big down-wind and race boards that cost big money for one-offs and unproven designs.

DJ


Ease up,
he has,
my surfshapes.
I would of thought DJ's post refers to new board design being unproven and not a particular shaper being unproven?
Is the surf crappy up your way this weekend like it is down here Firstpoint?
Cheers,
Camo.



firstpoint
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9 May 2009 2:13pm
first off let me apologise if you took offense dj,none was implied and your input into this forum is both entertaining and intelligent,i know both stuey and dale and know how much dedication they put into their race boards,they are both on a different tack and very competitive against each others designs.annie and i surf and paddle aussie customs in both dave boyd and rod hocker boards and use aussie made paddles, have surfed many imports and think they are way too expensive given how much they cost to make and land and i am right in the fact that with the number they have to make in the big factories to get an order the top designers are unwilling to release new shapes until the old stock is sold.if we were getting phs direct from blane or c4 straight from dave it would be a different story(a very expensive one at that)so after that,it may seem pretty obvious that i am passionate about aussie made product and truly believe the asian producers have stuffed all of the surf industry and probably the worlds economy.as far as the lurkers go,well if you reading this get involvedps annie and i are trying to work out how to get to ocean grove fun day on the 13th and bring our surfshapes 8.0 and 9.0
firstpoint
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9 May 2009 2:17pm
flat camo, and i would reckon your surfshape is in good hands
camo hosk said...

firstpoint said...


what do you know about downwind race boards dj,we have the two best downwind shapers in the world in stuey cambell and dale chapman and you claim they are unproven,ask woogie,dan sheard and our other downwinders who make the best boards for racing and it wont be chinese crap,no offense dj but stick to the wonderful photo stories and try an aussie custom one day
DavidJohn said...

There's nothing better than getting with a local shaper and doing the custom thing but I see the future different.. I see a bigger range of boards from the big sup company's that will cover all conditions and at a very competitive price to the local shapers.. Especially in the big down-wind and race boards that cost big money for one-offs and unproven designs.

DJ


Ease up,
he has,
my surfshapes.
I would of thought DJ's post refers to new board design being unproven and not a particular shaper being unproven?
Is the surf crappy up your way this weekend like it is down here Firstpoint?
Cheers,
Camo.






DavidJohn
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9 May 2009 2:53pm
firstpoint said...

first off let me apologise if you took offense dj,none was implied and your input into this forum is both entertaining and intelligent,


Thanks mate.. ... btw I knew I'd probably cop some flack saying what I said and was about to delete it but I was just trying to say what I thought.

Hope we do see you guys on the 13th of next month.. flights are cheap now..

DJ

AA
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9 May 2009 2:59pm
firstpoint said...

..and have surfed many imports and think they are way too expensive given how much they cost to make and land and i am right in the fact that with the number they have to make in the big factories to get an order the top designers are unwilling to release new shapes until the old stock is sold.


Hmmm, interesting concept FIRSTPOINT, in my experience however the opposite is true. NAISH is yet to supercede a model and Blane has never told us what we can and can't order. In fact we are often the first in the world to get the latest designs ie: - 9'8 & 9'10 Rippers. I can't speak for the other brands.

firstpoint said...

if we were getting phs direct from blane or c4 straight from dave it would be a different story(a very expensive one at that)


If you were to buy from Hawaii or the US it would definitely be that - more expensive than buying them here. It is no more expensive to buy the boards here. In fact it is cheaper and in so doing you support Australian companies who employ Aussies.

firstpoint said...

so after that,it may seem pretty obvious that i am passionate about aussie made product and truly believe the asian producers have stuffed all of the surf industry and probably the worlds economy.


Go the Aussies, but don't dis' imported product - we all buy it, we all rely on it and it supports a LOT of Aussie jobs in the process. There is room for both IMO.

Andrew.A
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 3:29pm
firstpoint said...

rod hocker of surfshapes is $1100 gripped with fixed fins,$150 more for plugs and boxes,custom shaped for that money,try that with chinese imports,they should be under a grand with the labour cost in china,yank shapers cashing in on the aussie market with cheap behind the times imports.like i said before,imagine how many obsolete boards are sitting in warehouses


umm i have heard good things about surfshapes, but excuse me, i don,t know - who is rod hocker and who is board bumps. thats a good price
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 3:33pm
AA said...

The industry cannot survive on Custom alone. There is a place for both types of boards in the market and what will win out is good shapes, good designs, customer service and consistancy.

There are Pro's and Cons for both local product and imports and this is bourne out from feedback on the shop floor, demo's and the schools. This why you also will find most retailers supporting both, we basically reflect what the market wants.

One thing is for sure a lot of Aussie jobs depend on these imports from the docks through the importers, through to the retailers who run schools, demo's, clubs and socials. Most of the big events held so far in Australia have been made possible by the imported brands, so it is not as though they are not 'giving back'.

I be carfull writing off either one - both ultimatley support a lot of Aussie jobs and shouting down either one can do harm to these jobs.


Andrew.A


hi aa, a question will or are you guys going to stock aussie boards in the future?
firstpoint
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9 May 2009 3:36pm
point taken AA,there has to be room for both simply for the fact that buying off the rack is the major sales in oz,if they could do customs for the rack(sup) that is it would be interesting to see the sales difference.btw i think Blane and dave parmenter have done a great job with their designs but i wonder how their thoughts and designs are right at this moment compared to what is available in oz,if you go to a local shaper nd are prepared to wait for the product you will get that shapers latest thoughts and designs that are proven.great topic of conversation,with good input from all and it will be a conversation piece while the asian companies produce low cost.wholesale.
AA
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9 May 2009 3:46pm
lacey said...


hi aa, a question will or are you guys going to stock aussie boards in the future?



For sure Lacey, we have been on the lookout (along with other retailers) for a local board manufacturer for some time. Like all these things though we want to back the right product and that takes some researching.

Andrew.A
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 4:14pm
AA said...

lacey said...


hi aa, a question will or are you guys going to stock aussie boards in the future?



For sure Lacey, we have been on the lookout (along with other retailers) for a local board manufacturer for some time. Like all these things though we want to back the right product and that takes some researching.

Andrew.A



good stuff, its the logical way to go.i,m a pest,but another question.i image you would be looking at a stock sizes from said board manufacturer, are you thinking of a custom service to complement that range/stock? i know its early days yet
Casso
Casso
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9 May 2009 4:27pm
lacey said...

dale chapman is doing some good things with down winders and racers.

... and high performance surfing boards as well:



My new custom DC 8'8" is just coming out of his shaping machine now!

If it's anything like the DC 8'10" or the DC 9'0" I've ridden, it's going to be a cracker. I drew it up on my computer, sent him the file and he'll ship it down to me when it's finished (Gold Coast to Sydney). Too easy. I know his quality so no issues there.

I've also got a PSH 12'0" in a container on a ship from China at the moment - so I suppose you'd call me a fence sitter (in the whole local vs import discussion).

laceys lane
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 4:35pm
Casso said...

lacey said...

dale chapman is doing some good things with down winders and racers.

... and high performance surfing boards as well:



My new custom DC 8'8" is just coming out of his shaping machine now!

If it's anything like the DC 8'10" or the DC 9'0" I've ridden, it's going to be a cracker. I drew it up on my computer, sent him the file and he'll ship it down to me when it's finished (Gold Coast to Sydney). Too easy. I know his quality so no issues there.

I've also got a PSH 12'0" in a container on a ship from China at the moment - so I suppose you'd call me a fence sitter (in the whole local vs import discussion).




hi,did u keep that board. hope not, dale has offered me a go on it. my main boards is a 8 10 x 28.5 gerry lopez. yeah an import, but traditional construction ie stringer/foam and glassed - fencesitter no 2
stevibee
stevibee
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9 May 2009 5:49pm
AAHHHH this is hilarious, all of us here pushing the keys on our chinese made keyboards[}:)][}:)] looking at our chinese made screens[}:)][}:)] and preaching BUY AUSTRALIAN!!
laceys lane
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9 May 2009 5:57pm
stevibee said...

AAHHHH this is hilarious, all of us here pushing the keys on our chinese made keyboards[}:)][}:)] looking at our chinese made screens[}:)][}:)] and preaching BUY AUSTRALIAN!!



is there aussie ones!!!!!!
Casso
Casso
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9 May 2009 6:12pm
lacey said...

hi,did u keep that board. hope not, dale has offered me a go on it.

Nah, he sold it to a shop on the central coast before I could scrape enough money together to buy it off him. The other day he said he was doing another one the same (8'10") - he'll be keeping that one as a demo for guys like you to see how good they go.
Drewsta.
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9 May 2009 6:46pm
lacey said...
umm i have heard good things about surfshapes, but excuse me, i don,t know - who is rod hocker and who is board bumps. thats a good price


Rod Hocker shapes "Surfshapes" boards. His handle on this forum is Boardbumps. Searh the forum for pics of his boards, I think he is based at Coffs.
Piros
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9 May 2009 6:47pm
There has definitely been a shift in the market and that's why Ron House now offers the San Clemente customs through Dale Chapman , as I said in a previous post I don't think it won't be long before all the major's follow his lead.

My next board will definitely be a custom or a US & Aussie combo. Supping downunder has come of age and we all now want more out of our boards but there will always be a market for off the rack sups for the newbies in the sport or someone that's wants a board identical to what they demoed.

Rob
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