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mickyj
mickyj
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1 Feb 2015 2:34pm
G day all
was wondering if anyone has an opinion on paddles as i just snapped the top part of my paddle which is an adjustable two piece type . The paddle cost 270 bucks which i know is not the most expensive but not the cheapest either . Any thoughts on a strong paddle??
Wicksy
Wicksy
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1 Feb 2015 2:47pm

Fanatic Innegra Carbon 80 is a good value, quality paddle at around $299.
For the same money you can also get the JP Carbon. I demoed these back to back. Both felt very similar. Nice paddles.
Of the two I thought the Fanatic was slightly better finished.

Or you can take the next step up to around the $500 mark, and go for Ke Nalu, Quickblade, Kialoa.


Plenty to choose from
CarterSUPhysio
CarterSUPhysio
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1 Feb 2015 8:06pm
I've got a JP carbon currently and it's well above average. 85 blade I think, good in the surf and the shaft is quite forgiving. However, i've also had a quickblade kanaha 90. I'd take that anyday, slightly stiffer shaft (less forgiving on the shoulders), but less slip through the water, catches felt better. If I had my time again, i'd definitely bite the bullet, save up a bit more and get a quickblade or equivalent - I just haven't paddled the others.I have paddled a few Fanatics and they are also a great paddle, but not enough paddling with them to really nut out QB vs Fanatic for myself.
stm
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1 Feb 2015 9:27pm
Hello mickyj , for what it's worth I have never had a big brand paddle . I just can't justify the big money as I would rather spend it on a good board . I bought a tucker board paddle for $200 , full carbon , had it for 3 years and it hasn't missed a beat .
damo666
damo666
NSW
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2 Feb 2015 8:25am
If you work your paddles hard (and are a paddle snapper!), stay away from the adjustables and get a fixed length paddle.

Especailly in the flexier shafts - the combo of a flexy shaft with a stiff insert half way along it is always going to result in a snap when put under pressure.
cantSUPenough
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2 Feb 2015 3:28pm
My paddle came with my first $700 SUP so I would guess it is nothing fancy - I believe it is carbon though. It is 8" across the blade, fixed length, but the shaft has a bit of an oval shape that I do like. I just went to the Quickblade Web site - I had no idea there were so many to choose from!! Has anyone bought a paddle and noticed a significant improvement? (I am only personally concerned with surfing performance.)
DavidJohn
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2 Feb 2015 4:26pm
cantSUPenough said..
Has anyone bought a paddle and noticed a significant improvement? (I am only personally concerned with surfing performance.)


Yes.. for sure..
colas
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2 Feb 2015 3:29pm
cantSUPenough said..Has anyone bought a paddle and noticed a significant improvement? (I am only personally concerned with surfing performance.)


Yes, of course! Among the benefits of a better surfing paddle:
- Lighter. My surf paddle is now 350g, and it is day and night compared to an heavier one.
- Just enough flex to not have sore joints after a 5 hour session
- More fluid when leaning on it in turns. With good surf paddles, you feel like you are actually surfing with the blade rather than just dragging it in the water
- A cleaner water entry, meaning that there is minimal air bubbles brought along the blade on the catch, so that you get a firm anchor to pull on for take offs. If the blade is surrounded by air in the water, it will not provide a solid traction to haul oneself on.

As everything is a compromise, the drawbacks of a surf-specialized paddle can be for racing/cruising:
- Less efficient: typically the profile is thicker and curvier to provide fluidity in the surf, so it displaces more water on each stroke.
- More flutter: again for fluidity, there is no dihedral and other features to anchor the blade laterally
- Not as rigid as a typical racing paddle, so less "direct drive"
cantSUPenough
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2 Feb 2015 6:49pm
colas said..

cantSUPenough said..Has anyone bought a paddle and noticed a significant improvement? (I am only personally concerned with surfing performance.)



Yes, of course! Among the benefits of a better surfing paddle:
- Just enough flex to not have sore joints after a 5 hour session
- More fluid when leaning on it in turns. With good surf paddles, you feel like you are actually surfing with the blade rather than just dragging it in the water
- A cleaner water entry, meaning that there is minimal air bubbles brought along the blade on the catch, so that you get a firm anchor to pull on for take offs. If the blade is surrounded by air in the water, it will not provide a solid traction to haul oneself on.



Thanks!

Just focusing on the above points - what is the difference in the paddle? I assume the flex is in the shaft - I have certainly leaned on mine when turning (thought I could break it I lean so hard sometimes). And I assume if it is more flexible your body takes less stress - better on the shoulders - correct?

But what about the other points - what is it about the shape/size of the paddle that makes a difference (bubbles, catch, etc.)?

I appreciate your help. A couple of times I have looked at paddles in stores and wondered how on earth you were supposed to choose.

Dingleberry
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2 Feb 2015 7:58pm
Can anyone advise how heavy a good quality carbon paddle should be? I must admit the tucker one sounds good at 200.00 bucks.
Wicksy
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2 Feb 2015 7:42pm

Around 500gm or less once cut to size
Dingleberry
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2 Feb 2015 9:29pm
Thanks fellas now to call these guys at tucker and find out what the tucker ones weigh.... The website said 2 kg...an obvious error
magillamelb
magillamelb
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2 Feb 2015 10:48pm
Dingleberry said..
Thanks fellas now to call these guys at tucker and find out what the tucker ones weigh.... The website said 2 kg...an obvious error


Unless its aluminium & plastic....
Dingleberry
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4 Feb 2015 5:13pm
For those interested I've called Tucker boards, they have advised that the hull carbon is slightly under 600 grams......sounds good for a cheapo like me
Dingleberry
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4 Feb 2015 5:13pm
Ehhh that's full carbon.
MINGOS
MINGOS
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4 Feb 2015 6:48pm
one company - Quick Blade
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
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4 Feb 2015 8:12pm
MINGOS said..
one company - Quick Blade


tried many but nothing came even close to a V-Drive or Trifecta. Especially the new size blades feel amazing.
Chris_M
Chris_M
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4 Feb 2015 6:27pm
After snapping a few paddles in quick succession I was sold a beasty NP paddle. I just had a look on their website, and cant find it though....



But its a beast, and has copped some serious floggings but is still going strong




colas
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5 Feb 2015 3:45pm
cantSUPenough said..
Just focusing on the above points - what is the difference in the paddle? I assume the flex is in the shaft - I have certainly leaned on mine when turning (thought I could break it I lean so hard sometimes). And I assume if it is more flexible your body takes less stress - better on the shoulders - correct?

But what about the other points - what is it about the shape/size of the paddle that makes a difference (bubbles, catch, etc.)?

I appreciate your help. A couple of times I have looked at paddles in stores and wondered how on earth you were supposed to choose.


Actually flex is not necessary in a surf paddle. A rigid paddle will actually be more pleasant for surfing: more precise, more positive support when leaning on it. However due to the often non-controlled efforts while surfing, you may get sore joints easily with a too rigid paddle. So enough flex to not ruin your shoulders/elbows is good, no need for more.

The difference is in the hydrodynamics of the blade... I guess you cannot really guess them in the shop without a lot of experience. Let's say water do not like straight lines. You better trust reviews, feedbacks, keeping in mind they are all somewhat subjective. Testing as many paddles as you can is very helpful, too.
mickyj
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6 Feb 2015 9:06am
so i get hold of my new one piece 350 dollar paddle , get up at 5.30 to have a paddle , put my blade in the drink and start pulling the paddle back and the end handle comes off the shaft .so off to work in a serious mood .we put men on the moon , i just want a paddle .
DavidJohn
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6 Feb 2015 9:19am
mickyj said..
so i get hold of my new one piece 350 dollar paddle , get up at 5.30 to have a paddle , put my blade in the drink and start pulling the paddle back and the end handle comes off the shaft .so off to work in a serious mood .we put men on the moon , i just want a paddle .


Bummer.. Shame you didn't have any tape in the car..

Did the shop cut and glue your handle on or did you do it yourself
mickyj
mickyj
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6 Feb 2015 9:26am
The shop glued it .Taking it back today , and hope to be right to go for tomorrow morning .
DavidJohn
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6 Feb 2015 10:13am
mickyj said..
The shop glued it .Taking it back today , and hope to be right to go for tomorrow morning .


Not good.. I'm not making excuses for the shop but what can often happen is once glued and setting people notice it's not 100% straight and they move it to straighten it after the glue has started to set.. Doing this can cause the glue to fail.. Hope they get it right next time..
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