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Created by laceys lane Monday, 15 Apr 2019
laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 6:01PM
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Iast few years ive had times where i have struggled to get up on boards .
Ive learnt its from neck issues from paddling and looking up compressing the neck .in turn affecting nerves and my ability to use my body quickly


Probably the worse was after surfing my mal down at the pass with mac. Previously hadnt been on the mal much of late

Ive have had to change my paddling style and get my arms in real close to the board.

The other thing ive been told is to stay of flat rockered boards and high volume boards. The rockered boards allow your body to have a long curve rather then at the neck.
I surfed a 32.5 litre board on the weekend with no issues. Had a blast to be honest. Felt like i stepped back in surfing time.
the board is much lower in the water and the tail tends to sink. This means less pressure on the neck - dont have to look up. Interestingly i was talking to murry burton and he gets sore if he uses his flat rockered hi volume 'anti mal' model
Ive been on 35 lts. I plan to get down to 30 lts or under.

So for me to keep surfing i actually have to drop down volume and have more rocker.
The way i was going it was retire or sup surf.
So im afraid mals are off the menu.
If its that small its raceboard surfing.
Cheers.

Simondo
VIC, 7990 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 7:32PM
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Yes Lacey, your's is small!
The boards you usually surf are small too!
LoL! Joking!

Good story, I can't believe I made it to the end!

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 7:51PM
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Simondo said..
Yes Lacey, your's is small!
The boards you usually surf are small too!
LoL! Joking!

Good story, I can't believe I made it to the end!


Its a bit long. But i thought it might be worth while . Im sure i wouldnt be the only one with the neck issues.
Cheers

Simondo
VIC, 7990 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 8:14PM
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Yeah, fair call!
True.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1665 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 8:59PM
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"Stop putting facts into the story"

Please move this thread to the SB room...

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 5:11AM
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laceys lane said..
Iast few years ive had times where i have struggled to get up on boards .
Ive learnt its from neck issues from paddling and looking up compressing the neck .in turn affecting nerves and my ability to use my body quickly


Probably the worse was after surfing my mal down at the pass with mac. Previously hadnt been on the mal much of late

Ive have had to change my paddling style and get my arms in real close to the board.

The other thing ive been told is to stay of flat rockered boards and high volume boards. The rockered boards allow your body to have a long curve rather then at the neck.
I surfed a 32.5 litre board on the weekend with no issues. Had a blast to be honest. Felt like i stepped back in surfing time.
the board is much lower in the water and the tail tends to sink. This means less pressure on the neck - dont have to look up. Interestingly i was talking to murry burton and he gets sore if he uses his flat rockered hi volume 'anti mal' model
Ive been on 35 lts. I plan to get down to 30 lts or under.

So for me to keep surfing i actually have to drop down volume and have more rocker.
The way i was going it was retire or sup surf.
So im afraid mals are off the menu.
If its that small its raceboard surfing.
Cheers.



Two sides to every story Lacey ask a longboard shaper and not a shortboard guy.You'll get a different answer.
Your reading too much with this retirement rubbish, get a rockered 9 or 10 foot longboard.But for a guy like you ,your best suited to a 9.3 or 9.6 IMO.
Getting old sucks and most of us older guys have many issues and deal with some sort of pain while surfing.
So if you take the advice given you will restrict your surfing due to under volumed boards, some point in time you
will have to make the which to fulltime longboarding or you could join the mid length room

Or simply do neck strengthening exercises, light bulb moment

Or take the easy way,retire like Vanders and Pup

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1097 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 6:09AM
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I know the feeling Lacy, Mobic is my best friend for surf trips, trying to put off neck surgery for as long as I can, riding lower volume boards doesn't help me it just lowers my wave count so i stick to boards around 35 litres and longboard when its small,Theres no exercises you can do if its discs pressing on a nerve unfortunately but like Mac said most of us older blokes have some injury that gives us grief surfing, just gotta grin and bear it and take drugs

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 6:18AM
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Lacey wear a neck brace so next time you drop in you have an excuse or take up watching Tennis Do the next road trip to A and you'll soon find yourself right at home with the other banged up old guys Solely surf Kirra that's where all the old GC guys surf ask Asea he is the King of P point you haven't got break break in you anymore,give up your body is clearly failing up I believe you've spent too much time on sup boards its destroyed your surfing game Surf with fello banged up old guy's it will make you feel better about yourself You don't see any over 35 year olds on tour they retire,your double that age,walk up and see the light sunshine Your shortboard days are over If this advice dose not work best you join a bowls club like Pup did and vanish like he did Anyway good luck see you at the bowls club some day

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:42AM
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laceys lane said..
Iast few years ive had times where i have struggled to get up on boards .
Ive learnt its from neck issues from paddling and looking up compressing the neck .in turn affecting nerves and my ability to use my body quickly


Probably the worse was after surfing my mal down at the pass with mac. Previously hadnt been on the mal much of late

Ive have had to change my paddling style and get my arms in real close to the board.

The other thing ive been told is to stay of flat rockered boards and high volume boards. The rockered boards allow your body to have a long curve rather then at the neck.
I surfed a 32.5 litre board on the weekend with no issues. Had a blast to be honest. Felt like i stepped back in surfing time.
the board is much lower in the water and the tail tends to sink. This means less pressure on the neck - dont have to look up. Interestingly i was talking to murry burton and he gets sore if he uses his flat rockered hi volume 'anti mal' model
Ive been on 35 lts. I plan to get down to 30 lts or under.

So for me to keep surfing i actually have to drop down volume and have more rocker.
The way i was going it was retire or sup surf.
So im afraid mals are off the menu.
If its that small its raceboard surfing.
Cheers.




Two sides to every story Lacey ask a longboard shaper and not a shortboard guy.You'll get a different answer.
Your reading too much with this retirement rubbish, get a rockered 9 or 10 foot longboard.But for a guy like you ,your best suited to a 9.3 or 9.6 IMO.
Getting old sucks and most of us older guys have many issues and deal with some sort of pain while surfing.
So if you take the advice given you will restrict your surfing due to under volumed boards, some point in time you
will have to make the which to fulltime longboarding or you could join the mid length room

Or simply do neck strengthening exercises, light bulb moment

Or take the easy way,retire like Vanders and Pup


Neck exercises have got nothing to do with it mac. its neck compression.
I didnt get the advice from a shaper mac.

Mid length by nature are generally flat rockered.

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:46AM
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Lacey wear a neck brace so next time you drop in you have an excuse or take up watching Tennis Do the next road trip to A and you'll soon find yourself right at home with the other banged up old guys Solely surf Kirra that's where all the old GC guys surf ask Asea he is the King of P point you haven't got break break in you anymore,give up your body is clearly failing up I believe you've spent too much time on sup boards its destroyed your surfing game Surf with fello banged up old guy's it will make you feel better about yourself You don't see any over 35 year olds on tour they retire,your double that age,walk up and see the light sunshine Your shortboard days are over If this advice dose not work best you join a bowls club like Pup did and vanish like he did Anyway good luck see you at the bowls club some day

If i feel better on a lower volume shortboard with no neck soreness .why are talking all this **** for.
Your a sad surfer trying to drag me down to surfing sliders at lm

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:52AM
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Ricardo1709 said..
I know the feeling Lacy, Mobic is my best friend for surf trips, trying to put off neck surgery for as long as I can, riding lower volume boards doesn't help me it just lowers my wave count so i stick to boards around 35 litres and longboard when its small,Theres no exercises you can do if its discs pressing on a nerve unfortunately but like Mac said most of us older blokes have some injury that gives us grief surfing, just gotta grin and bear it and take drugs

Yeah. At my weigh im just finding 35 litres to floaty to to fall line take off . 32.5 felt pretty good . My wave count was good

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:56AM
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laceys lane said..

Ricardo1709 said..
I know the feeling Lacy, Mobic is my best friend for surf trips, trying to put off neck surgery for as long as I can, riding lower volume boards doesn't help me it just lowers my wave count so i stick to boards around 35 litres and longboard when its small,Theres no exercises you can do if its discs pressing on a nerve unfortunately but like Mac said most of us older blokes have some injury that gives us grief surfing, just gotta grin and bear it and take drugs


Yeah. At my weigh im just finding 35 litres to floaty to to fall line take off . 32.5 felt pretty good . My wave count was good


Well what are you whinging about then Pffff off to the shortboard room you go.

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:58AM
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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..
Lacey wear a neck brace so next time you drop in you have an excuse or take up watching Tennis Do the next road trip to A and you'll soon find yourself right at home with the other banged up old guys Solely surf Kirra that's where all the old GC guys surf ask Asea he is the King of P point you haven't got break break in you anymore,give up your body is clearly failing up I believe you've spent too much time on sup boards its destroyed your surfing game Surf with fello banged up old guy's it will make you feel better about yourself You don't see any over 35 year olds on tour they retire,your double that age,walk up and see the light sunshine Your shortboard days are over If this advice dose not work best you join a bowls club like Pup did and vanish like he did Anyway good luck see you at the bowls club some day


If i feel better on a lower volume shortboard with no neck soreness .why are talking all this **** for.
Your a sad surfer trying to drag me down to surfing sliders at lm


Ok get your wiggle on down at d-bah go on mix it up with all the other teenagers

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:59AM
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laceys lane said..

Macaha said..


laceys lane said..
Iast few years ive had times where i have struggled to get up on boards .
Ive learnt its from neck issues from paddling and looking up compressing the neck .in turn affecting nerves and my ability to use my body quickly


Probably the worse was after surfing my mal down at the pass with mac. Previously hadnt been on the mal much of late

Ive have had to change my paddling style and get my arms in real close to the board.

The other thing ive been told is to stay of flat rockered boards and high volume boards. The rockered boards allow your body to have a long curve rather then at the neck.
I surfed a 32.5 litre board on the weekend with no issues. Had a blast to be honest. Felt like i stepped back in surfing time.
the board is much lower in the water and the tail tends to sink. This means less pressure on the neck - dont have to look up. Interestingly i was talking to murry burton and he gets sore if he uses his flat rockered hi volume 'anti mal' model
Ive been on 35 lts. I plan to get down to 30 lts or under.

So for me to keep surfing i actually have to drop down volume and have more rocker.
The way i was going it was retire or sup surf.
So im afraid mals are off the menu.
If its that small its raceboard surfing.
Cheers.





Two sides to every story Lacey ask a longboard shaper and not a shortboard guy.You'll get a different answer.
Your reading too much with this retirement rubbish, get a rockered 9 or 10 foot longboard.But for a guy like you ,your best suited to a 9.3 or 9.6 IMO.
Getting old sucks and most of us older guys have many issues and deal with some sort of pain while surfing.
So if you take the advice given you will restrict your surfing due to under volumed boards, some point in time you
will have to make the which to fulltime longboarding or you could join the mid length room

Or simply do neck strengthening exercises, light bulb moment

Or take the easy way,retire like Vanders and Pup



Neck exercises have got nothing to do with it mac. its neck compression.
I didnt get the advice from a shaper mac.

Mid length by nature are generally flat rockered.


Murry not a shaper OK you know your stuff

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 9:18AM
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Mac . This is a subject worth talking about. Its not a long vs short..

Ps. Due to pressure from mac and andyroo. im no longer wanted on long board forum.

Thats cool. All good.

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 9:37AM
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Mac . This is a subject worth talking about. Its not a long vs short..

Ps. Due to pressure from mac and andyroo. im no longer wanted on long board forum.

Thats cool. All good.


Pressure pfff I'll only ripping into you I can't speak for Andy hipstar Macroo

Toobz
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Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 8:13AM
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Ricardo1709 said..
Theres no exercises you can do if its discs pressing on a nerve unfortunately but like Mac said most of us older blokes have some injury that gives us grief surfing, just gotta grin and bear it and take drugs


Not true. I've helped many clients with cervical disc bulges/herniations. Quite often disc herniations can put pressure on a nerve but can also cause nerve pain simply by surrounding muscles guarding that disc bulge. Poor posture (poke neck) also makes things worse. A series of exercises done in the correct order can really help get that disc from putting pressure or "pinching" the nerve and help correct posture. The key sometimes is some form of traction first then a series of corrective exercises.
Disclaimer I'm not a doctor or Physio but as a PT/Gym owner I unfortunately see many people given a pretty grim diagnosis by lazy physicians only to have them living pain free with in a few weeks or months.
Best of luck.

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 10:28AM
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Toobz said..


Ricardo1709 said..
Theres no exercises you can do if its discs pressing on a nerve unfortunately but like Mac said most of us older blokes have some injury that gives us grief surfing, just gotta grin and bear it and take drugs




Not true. I've helped many clients with cervical disc bulges/herniations. Quite often disc herniations can put pressure on a nerve but can also cause nerve pain simply by surrounding muscles guarding that disc bulge. Poor posture (poke neck) also makes things worse. A series of exercises done in the correct order can really help get that disc from putting pressure or "pinching" the nerve and help correct posture. The key sometimes is some form of traction first then a series of corrective exercises.
Disclaimer I'm not a doctor or Physio but as a PT/Gym owner I unfortunately see many people given a pretty grim diagnosis by lazy physicians only to have them living pain free with in a few weeks or months.
Best of luck.



Its what ive done. Specific exercises. Posture. Which has been a massive difference in my general well being . Its take some time but dedication has been paying off
The other thing was to get my arms in a lot closer to my body when paddling. I really had to think about it paddling into a wave.
Im not saying it works for everyone.
But its been a changer for me.

Neck strength wasnt the issue

Toobz
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Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 9:11AM
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Nice work Lacey. That's the key mate, dedication! You see so many people with issues, they complain over and over but are they really doing anything about it? You have to put in the time.
Yes I do the same when paddling, it engages your lats more and takes strain off of your shoulders. Overloading your shoulders usually brings your upper traps into play which can quickly lead to neck discomfort.

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 11:19AM
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Nice work Lacey. That's the key mate, dedication! You see so many people with issues, they complain over and over but are they really doing anything about it? You have to put in the time.
Yes I do the same when paddling, it engages your lats more and takes strain off of your shoulders. Overloading your shoulders usually brings your upper traps into play which can quickly lead to neck discomfort.


Bingo.

Cheers

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 11:23AM
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laceys lane said..

Toobz said..
Nice work Lacey. That's the key mate, dedication! You see so many people with issues, they complain over and over but are they really doing anything about it? You have to put in the time.
Yes I do the same when paddling, it engages your lats more and takes strain off of your shoulders. Overloading your shoulders usually brings your upper traps into play which can quickly lead to neck discomfort.



Bingo.

Cheers


So have you been saved now

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 11:33AM
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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..


Toobz said..
Nice work Lacey. That's the key mate, dedication! You see so many people with issues, they complain over and over but are they really doing anything about it? You have to put in the time.
Yes I do the same when paddling, it engages your lats more and takes strain off of your shoulders. Overloading your shoulders usually brings your upper traps into play which can quickly lead to neck discomfort.




Bingo.

Cheers



So have you been saved now


Sadly. You get to excited and try to put a hundred points through instead refining your get even put downs.
You need to think about it. Work harder and smarter .
Score - c minus to d plus

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 11:43AM
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One minute your retiring next your all good
score 10 plus

laceys lane
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Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 12:05PM
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One minute your retiring next your all good
score 10 plus


Im still going. Im a bad egg

Macaha
QLD, 18630 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 12:08PM
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You should get some traction treatment,the weight on your shoulders is too great
A plus

MichaelR
NSW, 731 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 2:19PM
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I'm gonna second Toobz' posts by saying, shorter boards aren't the answer, neither is not surfing.

From my own experience, it's just practicing correct posture everywhere... says he, sitting poke necked and slouched at his PC. I've done 10 years of Pilates, and whilst I don't go to classes any more, I've managed to stave off three surgeries that were suggested when I had various upper and lower back injuries.

Like a lot of us, if I'm lazy I'll paddle with my chest on the board and look up with a crooked neck. When I think carefully about it, or my neck starts to hurt, I remember to arch from between the shoulder blades, keeping the neck as straight as possible, and looking up just with the eyes. From a distance, it looks like I'm still looking at the board in front of me, but it works. As does bending the knees to help engage the diaphragm and core. This is what stretches the upper spine, taking pressure off the compressed discs.

I also visit a chiro/osteo every 4 weeks, who isn't a surfer, but knows the benefits of surfing. In his opinion, if you keep form when you're paddling, you are doing your back more good than harm.

It's important to warm up, not stretch before a surf, but stretch very carefully after a surf. I use a fat foam roller when I get home to roll down the upper spine. Bliss....

Disclaimer: I'm also not a surgeon, chiro, physio or any other professional health person. This is just my experience.

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 3:05PM
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I'm gonna second Toobz' posts by saying, shorter boards aren't the answer, neither is not surfing.

From my own experience, it's just practicing correct posture everywhere... says he, sitting poke necked and slouched at his PC. I've done 10 years of Pilates, and whilst I don't go to classes any more, I've managed to stave off three surgeries that were suggested when I had various upper and lower back injuries.

Like a lot of us, if I'm lazy I'll paddle with my chest on the board and look up with a crooked neck. When I think carefully about it, or my neck starts to hurt, I remember to arch from between the shoulder blades, keeping the neck as straight as possible, and looking up just with the eyes. From a distance, it looks like I'm still looking at the board in front of me, but it works. As does bending the knees to help engage the diaphragm and core. This is what stretches the upper spine, taking pressure off the compressed discs.

I also visit a chiro/osteo every 4 weeks, who isn't a surfer, but knows the benefits of surfing. In his opinion, if you keep form when you're paddling, you are doing your back more good than harm.

It's important to warm up, not stretch before a surf, but stretch very carefully after a surf. I use a fat foam roller when I get home to roll down the upper spine. Bliss....

Disclaimer: I'm also not a surgeon, chiro, physio or any other professional health person. This is just my experience.


Well. I understand what your saying. For me. The shortboard is part of the answer.
The tail is down in the water.
Far far less effort to look out because you have lessen the angle required.

I didnt make this up. It was recommended to me.and not by a shaper

I work hard on my general fitness.
Paddle training 3 times a week.

Why shouldnt i paddle a shortboard if i keep my fitness and weight reasonable
The only issue was the neck.

Yes posture and form still play a big part for sure

Its all good.

Cheers

laceys lane
QLD, 18387 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 4:11PM
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I suppose i should ask who makes a good rockered longboard

climber
NSW, 1064 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 4:13PM
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laceys lane said..

MichaelR said..
I'm gonna second Toobz' posts by saying, shorter boards aren't the answer, neither is not surfing.

From my own experience, it's just practicing correct posture everywhere... says he, sitting poke necked and slouched at his PC. I've done 10 years of Pilates, and whilst I don't go to classes any more, I've managed to stave off three surgeries that were suggested when I had various upper and lower back injuries.

Like a lot of us, if I'm lazy I'll paddle with my chest on the board and look up with a crooked neck. When I think carefully about it, or my neck starts to hurt, I remember to arch from between the shoulder blades, keeping the neck as straight as possible, and looking up just with the eyes. From a distance, it looks like I'm still looking at the board in front of me, but it works. As does bending the knees to help engage the diaphragm and core. This is what stretches the upper spine, taking pressure off the compressed discs.

I also visit a chiro/osteo every 4 weeks, who isn't a surfer, but knows the benefits of surfing. In his opinion, if you keep form when you're paddling, you are doing your back more good than harm.

It's important to warm up, not stretch before a surf, but stretch very carefully after a surf. I use a fat foam roller when I get home to roll down the upper spine. Bliss....

Disclaimer: I'm also not a surgeon, chiro, physio or any other professional health person. This is just my experience.



Well. I understand what your saying. For me. The shortboard is part of the answer.
The tail is down in the water.
Far far less effort to look out because you have lessen the angle required.

I didnt make this up. It was recommended to me.and not by a shaper

I work hard on my general fitness.
Paddle training 3 times a week.

Why shouldnt i paddle a shortboard if i keep my fitness and weight reasonable
The only issue was the neck.

Yes posture and form still play a big part for sure

Its all good.

Cheers


Ok .. my 2 cents plus GST ... I spend time on both short and longboards 6'4" to 9'6" and I'm 6'3" tall 96kg.
The neck thing I get. My neck and upper shoulders hurt more when paddling a longboard and I find myself head down / eyes down more often than not. On my short boards, position is differing and I do note tire / hurt as much in the neck, although my paddle fitness lets me down, and I tend to tire more quickly.
Wave count is not a noticeable difference , the position of takeoff in the line up is!!!.
Often it takes 2-4 missed waves for my ageing mind to wake up that I've changed boards and have to re-think the takeoff / lineup. (DOH!)
and yes
off water fitness / looking after yourself play a huge part.

cheers
g

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1097 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 4:46PM
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Toobz said..

Ricardo1709 said..
Theres no exercises you can do if its discs pressing on a nerve unfortunately but like Mac said most of us older blokes have some injury that gives us grief surfing, just gotta grin and bear it and take drugs



Not true. I've helped many clients with cervical disc bulges/herniations. Quite often disc herniations can put pressure on a nerve but can also cause nerve pain simply by surrounding muscles guarding that disc bulge. Poor posture (poke neck) also makes things worse. A series of exercises done in the correct order can really help get that disc from putting pressure or "pinching" the nerve and help correct posture. The key sometimes is some form of traction first then a series of corrective exercises.
Disclaimer I'm not a doctor or Physio but as a PT/Gym owner I unfortunately see many people given a pretty grim diagnosis by lazy physicians only to have them living pain free with in a few weeks or months.
Best of luck.


Well fill me in on any exercises that may help as Ive had physio, cortisone injections, sports massage dude who claimed he could fix it with three visits (ha ha) and even bought an inflatable neck collar thingo, ill try anything before going under the knife.Any recommendations appreciated Toobz.

Al G
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Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 4:51PM
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I suppose i should ask who makes a good rockered longboard


Bob Brown does



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