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Dishpet
Dishpet
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Dishpet Dishpet
106 posts
22 Jun 2021 12:30am
Day 1 of the Tiberias PWA World Cup in Slalom just ended with Nicolas Goyard pushing the foil as his weapon of choice in 20/25+ knot conditions.

He claimed the first elimination in spectacular fashion. Are fins really getting pushed to the 30+ knot mark in slalom and what do you guys think about this fin/foil format ?
aeroegnr
aeroegnr
1776 posts
aeroegnr aeroegnr
1776 posts
22 Jun 2021 12:43am
Saw the video on IG of him overtaking the leaders with a fast jibe. Looks like the foil just carries so much speed through the turns in comparison to fins.
Grantmac
Grantmac
2388 posts
Grantmac Grantmac
2388 posts
22 Jun 2021 1:14am
Foils win in the corners, Gorge cup has been proving that since around 2018.
ZeroVix
ZeroVix
371 posts
ZeroVix ZeroVix
371 posts
22 Jun 2021 1:29am
I think he was on the 350cm2 front wing. Really impressive and the jibes were flawless.
seanhogan
seanhogan
QLD
3424 posts
seanhogan seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
22 Jun 2021 6:13am
fb.watch/6gH0bCit1t/
sl55
sl55
129 posts
sl55 sl55
129 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:16am
He is in a league of his own. His straight line speed is on par if not better. The gusts were up to 28 knots!
aeroegnr
aeroegnr
1776 posts
aeroegnr aeroegnr
1776 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:23am
seanhogan said..
fb.watch/6gH0bCit1t/


Wow, it was over after that first jibe
duzzi
duzzi
1127 posts
duzzi duzzi
1127 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:35am
Dishpet said..
Day 1 of the Tiberias PWA World Cup in Slalom just ended with Nicolas Goyard pushing the foil as his weapon of choice in 20/25+ knot conditions.

He claimed the first elimination in spectacular fashion. Are fins really getting pushed to the 30+ knot mark in slalom and what do you guys think about this fin/foil format ?




That is very far from 25 knots wind speed but the foil advantage is obvious. In the jibes is not a surprise at all, in the straights it is! Goyard barely looses anything in the first straight and can be first at the first mark. AA need to bear off to make the mark, and the others come in tight. after that there is no story, all the fins come to a stop compared to the foil at the first and the game is over .
thedoor
thedoor
2504 posts
thedoor thedoor
2504 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:39am
ZeroVix said..
I think he was on the 350cm2 front wing. Really impressive and the jibes were flawless.


do you have a link to that wing?
Dishpet
Dishpet
106 posts
Dishpet Dishpet
106 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:43am
duzzi said..

Dishpet said..
Day 1 of the Tiberias PWA World Cup in Slalom just ended with Nicolas Goyard pushing the foil as his weapon of choice in 20/25+ knot conditions.

He claimed the first elimination in spectacular fashion. Are fins really getting pushed to the 30+ knot mark in slalom and what do you guys think about this fin/foil format ?



That is far from 25 knots wind speed but the foil advantage is obvious. In the jibes is not a surprise at all, in the straights it is! Goyard barely looses anything in the first straight and can be first at the first mark. after that there is no story, all the fins come to a stop at the first mark and the game is over .


www.windguru.cz/station/1909
This station recorded 27 knot gusts, don't know if it's related to the spot.
Boston!
Boston!
NSW
254 posts
Boston! Boston!
NSW, 254 posts
22 Jun 2021 6:46am
How good was that! Boy, that puts the cat among the pigeons!
aeroegnr
aeroegnr
1776 posts
aeroegnr aeroegnr
1776 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:50am
thedoor said..

ZeroVix said..
I think he was on the 350cm2 front wing. Really impressive and the jibes were flawless.



do you have a link to that wing?


Want the whole set? They have the other wings available individually.

www.phantom-windsurfing.com/foils/p/iris-r-ultimate
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:51am
Great stuff!
duzzi
duzzi
1127 posts
duzzi duzzi
1127 posts
22 Jun 2021 4:56am
Dishpet said..


duzzi said..



Dishpet said..
Day 1 of the Tiberias PWA World Cup in Slalom just ended with Nicolas Goyard pushing the foil as his weapon of choice in 20/25+ knot conditions.

He claimed the first elimination in spectacular fashion. Are fins really getting pushed to the 30+ knot mark in slalom and what do you guys think about this fin/foil format ?





That is far from 25 knots wind speed but the foil advantage is obvious. In the jibes is not a surprise at all, in the straights it is! Goyard barely looses anything in the first straight and can be first at the first mark. after that there is no story, all the fins come to a stop at the first mark and the game is over .




www.windguru.cz/station/1909
This station recorded 27 knot gusts, don't know if it's related to the spot.



Just look at the water conditions, gusts measured somewhere else mean little. But that is a side point, the foil has clearly an edge. Conditions might have helped a bit, for some reason everybody gets very spread out, but it was clearly not a 12 knots breeze. They are good solid slalom conditions. We might have just witnessed the beginning of the end of an era!
ZeroVix
ZeroVix
371 posts
ZeroVix ZeroVix
371 posts
22 Jun 2021 5:14am
thedoor said..

ZeroVix said..
I think he was on the 350cm2 front wing. Really impressive and the jibes were flawless.



do you have a link to that wing?


I am speculating on the wing. He mentioned this morning in the interview with Ben Profit about 3 and the audio went muzzle. The whole race video/audio quality was terrible. I am just speculating on the only wing with 3.

www.phantom-windsurfing.com/foils

The 350 cm2 is for 18-35 knots.
ZeroVix
ZeroVix
371 posts
ZeroVix ZeroVix
371 posts
22 Jun 2021 5:22am
Correction. Phantom just confirmed the setup.




Phantom Windsurfing


Oleg Marofejev IRIS R foil with 430 front wing, 100 EVO fuselage, 200 rear. R91 board and Rf 6.0 sail.

I just heard the 3 in the interview, but I guess that was the 3 in the 430 and not 350.





CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:39am
duzzi said..

Dishpet said..



duzzi said..




Dishpet said..
Day 1 of the Tiberias PWA World Cup in Slalom just ended with Nicolas Goyard pushing the foil as his weapon of choice in 20/25+ knot conditions.

He claimed the first elimination in spectacular fashion. Are fins really getting pushed to the 30+ knot mark in slalom and what do you guys think about this fin/foil format ?






That is far from 25 knots wind speed but the foil advantage is obvious. In the jibes is not a surprise at all, in the straights it is! Goyard barely looses anything in the first straight and can be first at the first mark. after that there is no story, all the fins come to a stop at the first mark and the game is over .





www.windguru.cz/station/1909
This station recorded 27 knot gusts, don't know if it's related to the spot.




Just look at the water conditions, gusts measured somewhere else mean little. But that is a side point, the foil has clearly an edge. Conditions might have helped a bit, for some reason everybody gets very spread out, but it was clearly not a 12 knots breeze. They are good solid slalom conditions. We might have just witnessed the beginning of the end of an era!


To be fair shots from a drone are highly deceiving and make it look a lot lighter than it is. Look at the still photo on the front page of the PWA website from the final race, easily 20kts+.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 5:40am
18-35 knot board speed?
Seems a 10-15 knot range is all you get in comfort, and skill adds a bit more.
No time soon am I using my hi aspect 310 stab as a front foil. Maybe 40 years ago, with helmet and flak vest.....
Mast length must be really short, and narrow chord.
thedoor
thedoor
2504 posts
thedoor thedoor
2504 posts
22 Jun 2021 6:50am
Excuse my ignorance: was Nicolas Goyard a strong pwa competitor on the fin who has transitioned to the foil or is he some kind of foil specialist?
seanhogan
seanhogan
QLD
3424 posts
seanhogan seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
22 Jun 2021 8:59am
he was already a very good pwa sailor (junior ifca world champion two years in a row), but switched very early to only foiling and is now clearly THE best in the discipline
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:03am
Incredible stability, fuselage length?
thedoor
thedoor
2504 posts
thedoor thedoor
2504 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:04am
Does anyone know if other sailors were on foil in the heats?
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:08am
Keeping it low, mast at least 75..chord must match a slalom fin's chord.
Fuze length? He's pretty stable.
aeroegnr
aeroegnr
1776 posts
aeroegnr aeroegnr
1776 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:14am
LeeD said..
Keeping it low, mast at least 75..chord must match a slalom fin's chord.
Fuze length? He's pretty stable.


The Iris R, which is likely the model or close to the model he is on, is 100cm mast, 110 or 100 fuse, and apparently 430 front with 250 or 200 rear.

www.phantom-windsurfing.com/foils/p/iris-r-world-cup
Mitch Pearson
Mitch Pearson
QLD
271 posts
Mitch Pearson Mitch Pearson
QLD, 271 posts
22 Jun 2021 9:20am



LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:22am
Can you drag a 100 cm mast, half in the water, fast enough to offset foil lift?
1st reach, he smacks a wave, almost breached, slows way down, recovers. Doesn't seem to be 100 cm high.
I've mentioned several times a bud of mine foils with a 450 foil. He's 160 lbs and decently fast on foil, but only rec fsw speed.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 7:23am
Cool, more info coming in.....
Swindy
Swindy
WA
456 posts
Swindy Swindy
WA, 456 posts
22 Jun 2021 8:14am
Had the rest of the fleet chosen the foil option would Goyards winning margin have been even greater?
A bit of damage limitation going on amongst the rest?
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 8:20am
Don't we need R@D, then lots of practice also?
dejavu
dejavu
825 posts
dejavu dejavu
825 posts
22 Jun 2021 8:22am
From what I saw the video coverage was with the second place fin -- it was almost like the first place foil didn't count.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
LeeD LeeD
3939 posts
22 Jun 2021 8:25am
In a slalom race, most times the 1st to 1st mark is the eventual winner, barring a catastrophic crash. Clean air and clean water.
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