6.4-6.7 light & low end power any tips

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russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
26 Sep 2007 10:28am
Just got 112 skate and need a 6.5ish sail with more low end than top end. No cams and useable on 92 Evo in small waves as well

88kg's for moderate seabreeze 13-18knts

Had a Severne NCX 6.5 and was seriously gutless and didn't feel a whole lot better than my Poison 5.8

Can get 6.4 S2 severne for good price.

This could be a can of worms - the last Boards Test was pretty useless regarding this size - and everyones got their sail preferences.

Cheers

Russh
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:06am
Hey Russh,
Ive been using a Grind 6.2 for a couple of years now. Im slightly heavier than you and it has truckloads of power for the conditions you describe.
Its a 00' model. Been through pretty much everything and still going strong.
The others you could suss out would be NP search in similar sizes.
Hope this helps.
mr bagus
mr bagus
WA
85 posts
WA, 85 posts
26 Sep 2007 9:12am
Most sail brands have either a dedicated freestyle sail (low end, light, easy to throw around) e.g NP Expression, or a freestle/wave type which is also good at these tasks, e.g. North Duke.

Believe it or not, they do what they claim to do.Severne NCX is not in that category at all, so no wonder it disappointed you for what you wanted it to do. (It is a great blasting freeride sail)

You would be happy with a Neil Pryde Expression, North Duke, Gaastra Echo, Naish Amp, or similar category sail from other brands.

Good luck!
Al McLeod
Al McLeod
VIC
633 posts
VIC, 633 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:19am
i have a 6.5 expression and it fits exactly what you want. i can get planing in 10 knots with my 100L jp freestyle. i am only light but a bit of pumping would get you going. they are also designed to be tough enough for use in the waves but i havent tried.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:04am
Thanks for advice Sounds like there are definately a few options I've only ever really had Gaastra stuff and the sail shops in Adelaide have just swapped what gear they stock and JP/Pryde changed to Onboard and Starboard / Severne went to Glascraft - havn't tried the Naish, Pryde or North.

Any idea about the Maui Sails Frestyle?

Al - Does the 6.5 Expression rig on a 430?
FletcHuz
FletcHuz
VIC
300 posts
VIC, 300 posts
26 Sep 2007 12:11pm
Hey Russh,

I have a 2005 6.2m Neil Pryde Search that's in really good condition which I'm selling. This is made for a 430 mast but needs a long extension. These have heaps of bottom end power and are great in the waves too in light winds. I'm also 88kgs and this is my biggest sail and easily gets me planning in 15knots on a 100L board. Let me know if you're keen, I reckon it would be perfect for what you're after.

Cheers,
Fletch
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12886 posts
WA, 12886 posts
26 Sep 2007 10:11am
Now that's another can of worms!!!!!!!
If your masts suited Gastra, they probably won't be any good for much else, especially N.P.

There's been a few threads lately about mast compatibility, somebody was producing a compatibility list. Just search this forum for it.
Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1463 posts
WA, 1463 posts
26 Sep 2007 10:15am
The Severne S2 had one of the strongest tests i have ever read in a sail review -

go to www.severnesails.com/ and search for it (you may have to go to previous years archives)

It was a favourite of the Starboard test team for tweaking smaller freeride and larger wave cross over boards - so lots of good feedback from sailor of a very high calibre- it was one of those sails that everyone just seemed to really like.

It'll Freestyle no problems

And should deliver some good bottom end as long as you dont choke it. Dont be shy of rigging sails with a bit less downhaul to tighten up the leash - and even go as far as letting the sail touch the boom - experiment, keep an open mind and you will be surprised at how much bottom end you can get - most crew have all their stuff way overtensioned in light air.

I believe Ben Severne won the Nationals in SA in 2004 on an S2 - while the rest of the pack was just floating around

S2- i'd say to Snap one up if you can get it cheap!
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
26 Sep 2007 12:37pm
i'd say with these type of sails rig them on slalom booms too.

i find with my bigger freewave stuff that my wave boom just doesn't have a wide enough shape to really set the sail full.
MintoxGT
MintoxGT
WA
975 posts
WA, 975 posts
26 Sep 2007 10:54am
Top thread guys
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
26 Sep 2007 12:27pm
Thanks - some good advice all round - I did expeiment with the 6.5 NCX but no matter what I did it didn't enjoy being on a 96 Kombat. Didn't even bother on the EVO. I tried a higher volume Cross for summer but still didn't get any advantage cause it was like riding a small dinghy

I was a bit blinded when I demo'd it on a S Type acouple of years ago and it was sweet - never got the same response after I bought it

That was my main concern going back to Severne - As you say differnt sail different focus.

Thats the problem so much choice - its a pain when your very good at procrastinating - well i think i do - well maybe not - oh i don't know!
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
26 Sep 2007 11:47am
well you would want to get a cross over if you want to use it in small waves, low wind, but still get plenty of power when needed, and be able to release the power when needed, dont get a cam as you said, '

for me, i use a superfreak 5.8 for my ligth wind days, but im only 65kg, for my dad he uses a 6,3 superfreek.and his around 90kg the great thing about the superfreak is that, it is stable, great power, and lets the power out for bottom turns, etc, but what i love about it is that it is so stable you can rig it up for conditions like 13 knots and still be using it in 25 knotts, just dont want to water start. if you read my other posts on these sails it will become aparent im obsessed with them, but i think it more of the fact, they are the best, and i think if more people got on them they would last so much longer.

ok for the board sizes, in light wind i my prefrence of board for my 5.8 is a 100 ltre feestyle and for my dad on a 6.3 it is also the freestyle so i have to use it on a 85litre wave, but i dont like that board so i use it on my 69litre wave, with a oversized fin,.

a few things me and dad have noticed about these sails, the 6.3 can give the same power as his old 7.5 and still be stable, the 5.8 can give the same power as a 6.5 and still be stable, but whats better when the are rigged for power they are more stable than the 6.5 and 6.5 when rigged proply.

for me i like to much around with trying to get jumps i get dumped around on the sand bar, and these sails really will not break, so if you want a sail that will outlast your board, a super freek is the way

and also you can use this sail for freestyle, so thats a plus, but probaly want somthin like a 5,3 for that.

hope this is what you where after,
go to the www.hotsailsmaui.com/ site and go have alook at the freak out forum all about the superfreek and everyones opinions on them
lanky
lanky
QLD
213 posts
QLD, 213 posts
26 Sep 2007 3:46pm
Naish boxer
Neil pryde expression

Both mean sails for low end power...
Nice thing about the boxer though is that it has very compact and small feel to it, easy to throw around in jybes, duck jybes, jumps... I only have one at the moment but when I have the cash I will get more...
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:50pm
i'm still looking for a 6.2 - 6.5 wave/bump n jump to fit on 430 skin pwerx....can't decide on anything......hmmmm maybe the S2 might be worth a pop...any suggestions
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23695 posts
WA, 23695 posts
26 Sep 2007 10:24pm
MILLER I told you before, and this for the O.P too.... Simmer Crossover. Full on low end like any of the aforementioned sails if not better.... but some freestyles are built too light. The Simmer has full wave construction and is strong as.

For Miller the 6.2, for Russh the 6.7 (but it will only just work on your EVO with a say 25-26cm fin. With std fin it will feel too big).

PS: Miller when I come to Perth, if it is on, I'll give you a go on my 6.1 Simmer Vision, then when I tell you the Crossover has more bottom end and wider range you will buy one.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
27 Sep 2007 11:11am
Hi Mike,
not even sure where you can get Simmer sails in downtown adelaide - they use to stock them at OnBoard but not any more - its all Pryde, Gaastra or North with Maui trying to establish a foot hold

where do they stock them in WA or Vic NSW
mr love
mr love
VIC
2424 posts
VIC, 2424 posts
27 Sep 2007 1:27pm
Yes I am biased , but look at a 6.4 KA Kult . Loads of bottom end , will rig on a 430 if you have a long extension .Skinny or SDM Certainly worth considering .
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
193 posts
NSW, 193 posts
27 Sep 2007 1:55pm
Russh

Onboard still supporting Gaastra and there are somegood prices on 2007 models. Best low end is the Matrix without cams. Nearly as good and very fast is the 6.4 Remedy. What mast have you got?
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
27 Sep 2007 1:45pm
quote:
Originally posted by WINDY MILLER

i'm still looking for a 6.2 - 6.5 wave/bump n jump to fit on 430 skin pwerx....can't decide on anything......hmmmm maybe the S2 might be worth a pop...any suggestions




we used our 6.3 superfreak on a 430 skiny and standard, it workes beutifully on both, but the skiny is the way to go, go down to windshack next weeks sometime when aleberto is back from gnarloo and see if he has any demos to give out, but i think i may have brought his last 6.3 which he would give tests on, but he should have a 5.8 unless i got the last of those aswell
dave.h
dave.h
WA
194 posts
WA, 194 posts
27 Sep 2007 4:33pm
I use a severne S2 6.4m for lighter days on my mistral 103 syncro. It has got good low end power unlike what the ncx is suposed to have. Have't used the ncx, just what I have been told. S2 sets quite full and soft. good to pump the board on the plane. I also rig it on a 430 powerex rdm. and has quite short boom for a 6.4.
dave.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
27 Sep 2007 6:08pm
Gybe sports mast type - Nothing special - North semi carbon - not sure % only 8 mths old - just couldnt afford two skinnies - drop shape 400 & 430

All the gaastras work well on them - probably if I'd used a skinny I wouldn't say that though - so everyone tells me.
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
193 posts
NSW, 193 posts
28 Sep 2007 10:34am
OK I think you will have no problem with the mast but a 6.4 would normally go on a 460.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
28 Sep 2007 10:40am
yeah but there are a couple of 6.4 sails out there designed around 430's - the S2 Pryde Saber 6.7, and I think a couple of the Tushingham

Thanks for the input - - think I'll prob go with the S2 - if there's any left by the time I get my backside into gear - after a two weeks on the Goldie - no sailin just doin the theme parks with the kids and the odd surf - I hate being a tourist!
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
193 posts
NSW, 193 posts
28 Sep 2007 12:14pm
Yes the 6.4 Remedy also goes on the 430 but we are out of them now! you could see if onboard has one from last year. The 08 is due next week.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23695 posts
WA, 23695 posts
28 Sep 2007 11:27am
quote:
Originally posted by russh

Hi Mike,
not even sure where you can get Simmer sails in downtown adelaide - they use to stock them at OnBoard but not any more - its all Pryde, Gaastra or North with Maui trying to establish a foot hold

where do they stock them in WA or Vic NSW



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