Bugger if I know Chef, but I have a 6.6 Ezzy Infinity which I'm real happy with. Nearly 3 years old now and still good as gold
I'm 80kg, and use it with a 100L board between 12 & 25 odd knots 99% of the time, can't be happier.

cheers for the replys.Just did a search in the forum for "which sail is the best"(how many times can the same question be asked)
Mark ,never heard of simmer sails(fairly new to sport)can you get them through Perth ,dont think ive seen them at melbourne stores

I like your idea of the ezzy infinity (owner of a couple) sail nice and tough great sails too! Maybe a better match with the aero would be a ezzy freeride?

my 2 cents worth on a rainy sinday morn.

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Mark ,never heard of simmer sails(fairly new to sport)can you get them through Perth ,dont think ive seen them at melbourne stores

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Yeah if u r talking new, SOS in Fremantle are the Oz importers and the main retailer. John 08 9430 7050 he'll sort you out if you do want one

davmen i thought the infinity was ezzys freeride or maybe i just liked a serious amout of x ply
thanks all for the input ,now to sit back and see which way the better half goes

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davmen i thought the infinity was ezzys freeride or maybe i just liked a serious amout of x ply
thanks all for the input ,now to sit back and see which way the better half goes

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No David Ezzy has developed a freeride (no cam) specific sail (the infinity has 2-cams) It has all the usual Ezzy stuff including the spectra x-film (x-ply) tough as nails.
http://www.ezzy.com/sails/freeride07.cfm

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cheers people,got home from work this arvo and i was told i am the new owner of a 6.2 north natural,should be here in 2 days(thanks RPS)
goes to prove you cant change ladies mind (unless she wants to)
thanks everyone for there input and if you see a 45plus guy on the swan with a brand spanking black jeep,(and 120jp)kick him in the arse he my bro

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you only left my house 5mins ago.........you shouldn't drink if you get abusive, Chef!!!

Besides, that sail cost you a 'lost-bet' with your 'good-lady' that will probably cost you more than the sum of the sail.....(I'll leave that to the reader's imagination!!)

Hi NotWal,

What do you mean by;
'Severnes are mast specific. And Severne wont release the spec for their mast curve.'?

ALL sails are ALWAYS designed for a specific mast curve.

Our mast curve is what is usually termed Constant Curve. Similar curves to Fiberspar, Powerex, MauiSails, Gaastra, Simmer, etc, etc...
The main difference is that the standard way to measure the bend curve is at 3 stations - one in the middle, and then one at the top and one at the bottom. We don't feel this is accurate enough, as the distance between these stations is quite long. So we use 7 stations along the masts' length. And then we can control the bend curve at ALL these points.
Basically you just end up with a smoother curve.

So when you compare a bend curve from 3 stations it'd look something like;
64% / 25 / 75%

Our bend curve is expressed;
41% / 60% / 81% / 25 / 88% / 77% / 51%

Complicated, and more info than most people need. Our sails are not more mast specific than most (except our S-1 which only fits on a RDM).

Sorry for the essay. Just trying to clarify that point on the masts.

Ezzy! But not the Infinity - go for the 2007 No-Cam Freeride. Deep draft, loads of power, really good wind range, draft well forward for stability, totally bomb-proof construction - and, most importantly, it comes in a range of really funky colour schemes. Go Ezzy!! Go Ezzy!! I know a lot of people who swear by them.

Hi NotWal,

Our masts will work better in our sails than any other masts. Mainly due to that being the mast that every prototype is developed on, and adjusted for.
The idea is that if someone buys one of our sails, and then needs to buy a mast, the best option is to get use one of our masts as well to get the best performance. If they already have an existing mast from another manufacturer, our sails would still work, but not to the same level. Same as buying any sail from any brand.

There's been no change in policy. The origional policy of building sails that fit a lot of widely available masts still stands.

The bend curves of all the Fiberspar, Powerex, etc are all different. But they are all working along similar principles which is enough to get our sails to work. (Or any other sail.) The main thing is that the sails DON'T work so well on Neil Pryde, North, or any of the flex-top masts.

All our masts are so-called Constant Curve, except our Formula masts. These are much stiffer in the mid section, and are more of a Flex-Top design.
The RDM's are very similar to all our curves.
I can't give you a % difference between our top number and bottom number as I just don't measure the masts at those points.

We do a lot of work on masts - I go to factory at least once a year to work on new technology, and we continually build prototype masts to test. Masts DO make a huge difference, and it is an area where there is a lot of room for improvement. We just got back from the Canaries where we tested a lot of 370 and 340 RDM's, and differences some of them made were much bigger than the differences we see in changing the sail shape a lot of the time.

Again, sorry for the essay!

I have to say, having different curves for the different brands of mast available is a total, utter, uncontestable cock-up.

About a year ago, I went into my local windsurfing shop, and bought a nice shiny new sail (North Ice). I was told that it would work with my Pryde mast.

It didn't.

I vowed on the spot never to make that mistake again.

Now I'm at the stage where I'm willing to buy a quiver, but not having tried many sail brands, I'm looking at which manufacturer can produce a sail that works in a "standard" mast. It seems to me that if a sail manufacturer RESPECTS the consumer's dollar, then they will try to help the consumer make the best choice. Having mast-specific sails isn't respecting the consumer, to my mind.

Let's talk about computers for a little bit. When USB was first introduced, it was introduced as a "standard". A RFC was published, a set of guidelines were created, and then if you wanted to put the "USB" badge on your computer, it had to conform to the standard. Not Apple's standard, or Dell's, or Gateway's, or Microsoft's, it was a brand-independant standard.

Why can't this happen with masts? Why can't someone say "OK, we're going to publish a 'constant curve' standard, and create a little logo for it, and if you buy a mast and a sail from different manufacturers that both have that funky little logo on them then they will work perfectly"? Consumers don't like being locked into choices. They like to be able to shop around, and buy the best deal they can... and feel happy that they have shopped around. Not being forced into buying their sails and masts from the same manufacturer, and therefore being locked into the one brand of sail/mast for the rest of their windsurfing career! That is just being completely rude and greedy on the part of the manufacturer.

If a manufacturer could demonstrate that their sails are completely standard, then I'd buy their quiver today. Unfortunately, I can't

Nebbian I agree with you. I am looking at a new mast and some sails and am confused as to what to buy. It would be great if they were all standard and you didn't have to worry about what brand mast you have to what brand sails you might be using.

I am also concerned about the recommended mast compared to the compatible mast that sail manufacturers have in there specifications. I would like to keep things simple and have just one mast and three sails, (which I have done in the past)but it seems like some manufacturers recommend three different sized (length and mcs) mast to be able to rig a quiver of 3 sails correctly! As well as not wanting to drag a heap of gear to the beach I cant justify the expense.

I'm with Nebs too. At least for freeride and wave sails - do what you like for the Formula stuff - but joe average shouldn't have to put up with this FORCED senario.

DavMen

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What do you do if you want to tweak your mast curve?

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What do you mean by this notwal, how do you tweak mast curve?
Add a bit more carbon at the soft spots?
Does anybody do that?
I've tried stiffening up the middle of an old NP mast so it'd work on my sails, seemed to help, but it was all trial and error.

I also agree with Nebs, there should be a better standard that actually means something

Sailworks Retro 6.5m or 7m, don't think a 6m would be big enough..