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confused
confused
NSW
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NSW, 175 posts
6 May 2011 7:32pm

Hi, I have a 2011 Fusion which I'm not too impressed with and thinking of changing it. Most of my surfing is in Botany Bay so don't need a wave sail really but equally not sure about a hellcat or similar for choppier days.

So, given I have NP masts I'm feeling a bit stuck with NP and thinking of going for either a firefly or an alpha. Any thoughts on how powerful either of these sails are / how much bottom end either has?

And any suggestions on alternatives?

Thanks
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
6 May 2011 7:57pm
I have a 5.8 Alpha and it's one of my favourites. Plenty of power but tunable for a great range. I've even used it on my small slalom board and it worked well.
I tried a 6.2 Alpha at one stage but didn't find that one to be as sweet as the 5.8m
lordhowe
lordhowe
NSW
209 posts
NSW, 209 posts
6 May 2011 8:53pm
What size are you talking about?
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
NSW, 1353 posts
6 May 2011 9:10pm
I have a 5.8 and 6.2 Alpha, and have been very pleased with both.
The 6.2 is a grunt machine in lighter conditions, but can be tuned to hold a big handful of wind. It's a bread and butter size at Currumbin and is a favoured choice of many sailors there for both B&J northerlies, and the much rarer cross-offshore southerlies. Works on wave, FSW, free-ride and slalom boards very well.
The 5.8 is sweet too, but does not get anywhere as much use. I tried a 5.8 Hellcat, but much preferred the Alpha.
I've tried the Firefly, but I don't like the heavy feel of it. It's probably got better low-end, but isn't as soft or slippery to me.
In smaller sizes, the Fly is a nice sail too.
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
6 May 2011 7:18pm
confused said...


So, given I have NP masts I'm feeling a bit stuck with NP and thinking of going for either a firefly or an alpha.



The chronic Neilpryde disease.. Unfortunately you will never enjoy windsurfing again.. But on the bright side a Japanese accountant just got a pay rise...

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23687 posts
WA, 23687 posts
6 May 2011 8:18pm
I'd go the Firefly - much wider range and much more freerideable than the Alpha, but still capable in waves / freestyle

The Firefly has considerably more bottom end.



confused
confused
NSW
175 posts
NSW, 175 posts
6 May 2011 10:31pm


Thanks for all the replies, looking at 6 - 6.2ish.

So it sounds like either sail would probably be a good option - firefly for a bit more bottom end and alpha for a lighter feel - is that a reasonable summary?

Given that I think it may just come down to what I can find that will do the job well.

Thank you
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23687 posts
WA, 23687 posts
6 May 2011 8:56pm
Yes it is about right - but when overpowered the Firefly will feel lighter as it is more stable.... so "lighter" is not absolute
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
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6 May 2011 10:32pm
barn said...

confused said...


So, given I have NP masts I'm feeling a bit stuck with NP and thinking of going for either a firefly or an alpha.



The chronic Neilpryde disease.. Unfortunately you will never enjoy windsurfing again.. But on the bright side a Japanese accountant just got a pay rise...




What crap. I've been sailing NP gear for 20+ years and the only regrets I have are the times I tried somthing else
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
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6 May 2011 10:37pm
barn said...

confused said...


So, given I have NP masts I'm feeling a bit stuck with NP and thinking of going for either a firefly or an alpha.



The chronic Neilpryde disease.. Unfortunately you will never enjoy windsurfing again.. But on the bright side a Japanese accountant just got a pay rise...




What crap. I've been sailing NP gear for 20+ years and the only regrets I have are the times I tried somthing else
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
NSW, 1353 posts
6 May 2011 11:36pm
barn said...

confused said...


So, given I have NP masts I'm feeling a bit stuck with NP and thinking of going for either a firefly or an alpha.



The chronic Neilpryde disease.. Unfortunately you will never enjoy windsurfing again.. But on the bright side a Japanese accountant just got a pay rise...




I'd love to see you say that to his face.


barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
6 May 2011 10:58pm
Above are some classic symptoms of Neilpryde disease. Once host is infected, the successful Neilpryde Mind Virus is very difficult to detect. Occasionally the host will suffer complete and utter denial, lashing out at any mention of the disease. Host also will begin to congratulate other hosts on their Neilpryde purchases and continually recommend Neilpryde products to unsuspecting victims..

Side affects include a total loss of sense of humour and the ability to detect sarcasm. Also an instant loss of beach cred, only rivaled by the Ezzy disease endemic in certain WA beaches.

There is no known cure for the Neilpryde Virus except the deletion of all Neilpryde windsurfing operating systems, a period away from the water, and repeated doses of Vision Street Wear skateboarding commercials from the 80's...
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
7 May 2011 1:13am
barn said...
Side affects include a total loss of sense of humour and the ability to detect sarcasm. Also an instant loss of beach cred, only rivaled by the Ezzy disease endemic in certain WA beaches.


Dude, what **** have you been smokin'? Everyone knows WA beaches don't have a Ezzy disease, they have a Severne disease.

BTW, if you read the original post the persona was asking for a sail recommendation between two sails that are supported to work on a Neil Pryde mast.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
7 May 2011 9:01am
Mark _australia said...

I'd go the Firefly - much wider range and much more freerideable than the Alpha, but still capable in waves / freestyle



confused - if it's a choice between the 2010 alpha and 2010 firefly, i agree with mark 100%

I'd imagine it might be the same with the 2011 atlas v firefly

2010 & 2011 fireflies have terrific wind range coverage. although there's a difference in luff length between the two years, they feel very much alike to sail. 2010 is maybe a touch more springy (classic ezzy-ish feel minus the ezzy weight) and needs more outhaul to compensate. Both need more outhaul than previous NP model wavesails
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
7 May 2011 9:24am
Barn....Don't you wear a NP harness, I guess it's hard to get that disease out of your system.
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
7 May 2011 10:57am
barn said...

Above are some classic symptoms of Neilpryde disease. Once host is infected, the successful Neilpryde Mind Virus is very difficult to detect. Occasionally the host will suffer complete and utter denial, lashing out at any mention of the disease. Host also will begin to congratulate other hosts on their Neilpryde purchases and continually recommend Neilpryde products to unsuspecting victims..

Side affects include a total loss of sense of humour and the ability to detect sarcasm. Also an instant loss of beach cred, only rivaled by the Ezzy disease endemic in certain WA beaches.

There is no known cure for the Neilpryde Virus except the deletion of all Neilpryde windsurfing operating systems, a period away from the water, and repeated doses of Vision Street Wear skateboarding commercials from the 80's...


Other symptoms are the rapid aging of sails, the general weakness of other bits of kit and poverty.

Cruiser1755
Cruiser1755
QLD
235 posts
QLD, 235 posts
7 May 2011 11:09am
don't know any of the technical stuff but I changed after 2 seasons on alpha 6.2 to firefly 6.1 ... 2seasons on ff I think. took a while to adjust. I am in bay chop and loved the alpha however it was like my ford wagon...powerful but steady eddie, you can just sit back and sail. I find the firefly you need to sail it with intent ...much more fun for me and easier when it gets up.
i am about 73kg and had 101FSW now 107 FS hope that helps
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
7 May 2011 10:09am
jh2703 said...

Barn....Don't you wear a NP harness, I guess it's hard to get that disease out of your system.

Its a Vaccination! plus NP haven't yet worked out how to make their harnesses only compatible with NP harness lines and Boom...



stehsegler said...

barn said...
Side affects include a total loss of sense of humour and the ability to detect sarcasm. Also an instant loss of beach cred, only rivaled by the Ezzy disease endemic in certain WA beaches.


Dude, what **** have you been smokin'? Everyone knows WA beaches don't have a Ezzy disease, they have a Severne disease.

BTW, if you read the original post the persona was asking for a sail recommendation between two sails that are supported to work on a Neil Pryde mast.



Sorry I should have been more specific, what I meant was the loss of beach cred that accompanies a NP quiver is only rivaled by the loss of beach cred that comes with an EZZY quiver, endemic to certain WA populations..

I did read the OP, Thats how the disease works, it forces the unsuspecting host to purchase duplicate copies of NP equipment. As even the smallest infection, say a NP mast, will force more purchases of compatible NP products... Leading to total infestation.

Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
7 May 2011 12:23pm
I have found that my NP gear only likes to mate with JP boards, it rejects other inferior brands!

I might have to look into the Firefly as my successor to the much loved Alpha, sounds like a very versatile sail.
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
SA, 472 posts
7 May 2011 1:45pm
I have discovered a cure for NP disease. I got a kiteing injection
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
7 May 2011 6:35pm
and now have a cabrinha infection?
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
SA, 472 posts
7 May 2011 6:15pm
Nah, Fone. somebody told me cabs are attracted to trees and light poles and stuff
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
8 May 2011 1:24pm
Gwendy said...

I have discovered a cure for NP disease. I got a kiteing injection


problem with that is that people start throwing rocks at you from the beach.
windsufering
windsufering
VIC
1124 posts
VIC, 1124 posts
8 May 2011 3:39pm
some people will not be happy when the rsx worlds come to perth
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
8 May 2011 7:12pm
Gwendy said...

I have discovered a cure for NP disease. I got a kiteing injection


I thought that only came as a suppository??
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