Backwinded when gybing

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nebbian
nebbian
WA
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23 Feb 2007 9:50pm
Hi,

When really committed to making a planing exit, I go in fast, back foot out, lean slowly to the inside with the mast arm straight and forward, knees bent...

and that's when I slow down. When trying to push the clew forwards to flip the sail, I'm going faster than the wind, so am backwinded, so have to wait till I slow down a bit so the wind can catch up.

This drops me off the plane, and I slog out after a slow rig flip.

Is this normal? Am I trying to carve gybe in too light a wind? Is 15 knots with a 7.0 impossible? Any tips on getting a planing exit? (I can only watch "Turn for the better" so many times...)
garynoel
garynoel
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
23 Feb 2007 10:21pm

Sounds like you might be flipping the rig a bit early Nebs, thats why it wont go round.
Wait for the sail to go light before you flip.
Try to pick the same gybe point every time. Get some visual cues (from the beach etc) to get your bearings in the turn.
Its much easier to gybe a 5.0m than a 7.0m though.
Find somewhere where the water is flat.
And keep your weight forwards, and, and..bla bla ad infinitum.
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
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23 Feb 2007 11:31pm
garynoel, what would Chuck do?
garynoel
garynoel
WA
260 posts
WA, 260 posts
23 Feb 2007 10:35pm

Chuck?

He wouldnt bother turning. He'd go right round the world and come back the other side. No Sunscreen!
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
QLD, 1064 posts
23 Feb 2007 11:38pm
well Nebbian, harden the f^ck up and get sailin. Just like Chuck would.
plev
plev
QLD
181 posts
QLD, 181 posts
23 Feb 2007 11:53pm
Somehow "CHUCK" just seems to be such an incred. appropriate name for the cretin. Sorry Garynoel but that dude must be part of a completely seperate species.
plev
plev
QLD
181 posts
QLD, 181 posts
24 Feb 2007 12:00am
Nebs, (back winded when gybing) you must be joking, don't be so bloody formal mate, relax. Who is going to know out there on the water? Better out than in I say. Hope this helps.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
23 Feb 2007 11:09pm
Hey Plev,

Thanks for the non-chuck reply...

Yeah it might be getting a bit obsessive, but I know it's possible, I reckon I'm getting close, it's the only dam' thing I can think about on the water! Like the little train, gotta make it, gotta make it, why didn't I f(*&n make it that time?

Just wondered if anyone had gone through this and had something to offer that helped them.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
24 Feb 2007 1:50am
(When trying to push the clew forwards to flip the sail, I'm going faster than the wind, so am backwinded, so have to wait till I slow down a bit so the wind can catch up.)

Yeah thats normal. Just push it quickly through the wind after it goes light. Don't wait for it to slow down. I have a feeling that a laydown may avoid this just because of the scooping rotation. I'll have to check it out.


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curac
curac
WA
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WA, 1160 posts
24 Feb 2007 1:10am
back winded. to me that sounds like flipping too late..
just feel it. don't think it.
FletcHuz
FletcHuz
VIC
300 posts
VIC, 300 posts
24 Feb 2007 10:01am
Hi Nebbian,
I agree with curac (is that John or Ian - How was the roast chicken?). If you're getting backwinded then dropping off the plane then 2 things are probably happening.
1. You're flipping too late
2. You're not continuing to carve the board as you flip the sail
Not sure what gybing technique you're trying (step or strap to strap) but if you're on a 7m sail you're probably doing a step gybe. If so then you want to be initiating the rig flip before you are dead downwind by changing your feet - it is inportant to concentrate on keeping the board on a constant carve as you change your feet - first part of the turn you're carving on your toes, 2nd part of the turn (once you change you're feet) you need to be carving with your heels. So you should be carving on your heels with the rig on the new side when you're just past dead down wind, then pull the rig across your body to windward a bit and pull the power on and you're there.
In summary - You need to flip the sail early to plane out but if you stop carving then you'll backwind and drop off the plane so keep your knees bent to absorb the chop, lean forward to maintain speed, flip rig early, and keep board carving through whole turn by concentrating on carving with your heels in the 2nd part of the turn. Good-luck, sorry if this description is long or confusing, let us know how you go
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
24 Feb 2007 12:13pm
Nebbian,

Sounds like we're still progressing in tandem. Maybe we should get out on one of those starboard Gemini's

I've got to the point where I am carving the board pretty well, and generally plane most the way through the turn, but am dropping off the plane as I go to flip the sail.

I'm wondering how easy it is to properly plane all the way through with a step-gybe, or should I be trying strap-to-strap to maintain planing?

Have you tried strap-to-strap? Next time we get a decent blow, I think it might be a good excercise to give the strap-to-strap a go. Then I'll be able to concentrate on rig flipping, without worrying about the correct time to foot change. Either way, the progress is there, even if it's slow, so the (dim) light is definitely at the end of the tunnel.

Regards,
Harrow.
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