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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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22 Sep 2011 7:46pm
When I went to Lord Howe Island the 6.7m rig was so light compared to what I use. My boom weighs as much as the whole rig I used there.
So..I assume my boom is Aluminium a Loft 1.75 - 2.2 or something like that length.Is there a way to get a lighter option without spending mega bucks?
I assume there is only carbon or aluminium? Someone showed me their carbon boom today and it was as heavy as mine.. Please explain..?
nick0
nick0
NSW
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22 Sep 2011 8:47pm
im gussing the rigs u used at lord howe were rather new .. possibly with 100% C masts
i have a had a carbom boom ..billows .. once it broke i got a alli mystik ..apart from a little bit of stiffness loss i can not notice the weight diference .. and even if it is a few hundread grams could u notice it
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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22 Sep 2011 6:54pm
I agree. The booms are generally the same weight, and it is most likely the difference in mast weight.

Years ago I went from a 30% carbon 460 to a 75% carbon, and the rig felt completely different and felt much much lighter.

I suspect that is the difference you have noticed.
ikw777
ikw777
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22 Sep 2011 9:25pm
Probably also right mast for the sail and the whole thing rigged right. I noticed a big difference in maneuverability and handling (i.e. perceived weight) when I finally got my act together on this.
barn
barn
WA
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22 Sep 2011 7:50pm
Not all carbon booms are 100% carbon... Just like there are cheap carbon masts (30%), there are also cheap carbon booms (They never tell us the carbon content because nobody asks)..

This is why it doesn't make sense when people say, "I only paid $600 for my carbon boom, and you got ripped off because you paid $1000"

The boom is where the weight is least problematic, and since maximum stiffness is required, a cheap carbon boom just packs on Fibreglass to return stiffness, and adding weight..

But if you lift the rig up on the beach, the weight saving you notice comes equally from all parts.. On the water a lighter boom will be less important than a light sail and mast... (OR, GayPryde who match a heavy sail with a light mast??)


sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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23 Sep 2011 12:24pm
My mast is a SDM 55% carbon and the sail a 6.6m cammed concept.The booms on LHI were NX3 ones .I think the sail was uncammed and the 5.3m was a tempo which is really light.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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23 Sep 2011 1:20pm
sboardcrazy, they are right, if your mast is 65% carbon you will really notice the difference when you get 100% (or slightly below 100%, which seems to be less breakable).

I recently switched masts from a 30% carbon pig with a long extension to a shorter, much higher carbon mast with a short extension and a tip extender, and my rig feels amazingly lighter. Loving it!



And although, as we have heard, boom weight is less of an issue, there is a way to reduce this: try using the shortest boom you can, at almost full extension, rather than a longish boom less extended. The weight difference between a boom that is, say, 180-230cm and one that is 130-180cm can be quite noticeable. It might be weird to use a shorter boom when the longer one seems more appropriate because the sail specs fall comfortably in the middle of it's adjustment range, but you can aways give it a go. (whereas I'm a heavyweight so I go for the safer, longer-than-necessary option)


BenKirk
BenKirk
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23 Sep 2011 1:34pm
I think it's time for Laurie to set up a "Boom Specific" category...
knigit
knigit
WA
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23 Sep 2011 12:20pm
sboardcrazy said...

My mast is a SDM 55% carbon and the sail a 6.6m cammed concept.The booms on LHI were NX3 ones .I think the sail was uncammed and the 5.3m was a tempo which is really light.


The NP x3 booms are made of paper with a double layer of aluminium colored spray paint. I'd stick to your anchor of a boom rather than go down that route.
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
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23 Sep 2011 1:20pm
Wet Willy said...

try using the shortest boom you can, at almost full extension, rather than a longish boom less extended.



There is nothing more painful than using a boom on full extension!! That extra length of boom adds stiffness.. Stiffness > Weight
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
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23 Sep 2011 3:46pm
knigit said...

sboardcrazy said...

My mast is a SDM 55% carbon and the sail a 6.6m cammed concept.The booms on LHI were NX3 ones .I think the sail was uncammed and the 5.3m was a tempo which is really light.


The NP x3 booms are made of paper with a double layer of aluminium colored spray paint. I'd stick to your anchor of a boom rather than go down that route.


Interesting description..
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
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23 Sep 2011 4:04pm
barn said...

Wet Willy said...

try using the shortest boom you can, at almost full extension, rather than a longish boom less extended.



There is nothing more painful than using a boom on full extension!! That extra length of boom adds stiffness.. Stiffness > Weight



Well, maybe not to the very last notch! But for a lightweight sailor and smaller sails it might be fine. I was using a boom like this recently and had no noticeable probs, although I wouldn't do it by choice coz I'm heavy....
SWS
SWS
SA
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26 Sep 2011 5:44pm
Wet Willy said...

barn said...

Wet Willy said...

try using the shortest boom you can, at almost full extension, rather than a longish boom less extended.



There is nothing more painful than using a boom on full extension!! That extra length of boom adds stiffness.. Stiffness > Weight



Well, maybe not to the very last notch! But for a lightweight sailor and smaller sails it might be fine. I was using a boom like this recently and had no noticeable probs, although I wouldn't do it by choice coz I'm heavy....


I have to agree I would not use by choice a boom on more than 50% of its extension. I am a big guy and sail with big sails the longer the boom is extended the weaker it is.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
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26 Sep 2011 7:14pm
SWS said...

Wet Willy said...

barn said...

Wet Willy said...

try using the shortest boom you can, at almost full extension, rather than a longish boom less extended.



There is nothing more painful than using a boom on full extension!! That extra length of boom adds stiffness.. Stiffness > Weight



Well, maybe not to the very last notch! But for a lightweight sailor and smaller sails it might be fine. I was using a boom like this recently and had no noticeable probs, although I wouldn't do it by choice coz I'm heavy....


I have to agree I would not use by choice a boom on more than 50% of its extension. I am a big guy and sail with big sails the longer the boom is extended the weaker it is.


That's what I say too. But I'm just trying to suggest that most of us see this as an unbreakable rule, whereas by ignoring this rule a lighter sailor using small sails can actually afford to go down a boom size and save a noticeable amount of weight.
SWS
SWS
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26 Sep 2011 7:47pm
Wet Willy said...

SWS said...

Wet Willy said...

barn said...

Wet Willy said...

try using the shortest boom you can, at almost full extension, rather than a longish boom less extended.



There is nothing more painful than using a boom on full extension!! That extra length of boom adds stiffness.. Stiffness > Weight



Well, maybe not to the very last notch! But for a lightweight sailor and smaller sails it might be fine. I was using a boom like this recently and had no noticeable probs, although I wouldn't do it by choice coz I'm heavy....


I have to agree I would not use by choice a boom on more than 50% of its extension. I am a big guy and sail with big sails the longer the boom is extended the weaker it is.


That's what I say too. But I'm just trying to suggest that most of us see this as an unbreakable rule, whereas by ignoring this rule a lighter sailor using small sails can actually afford to go down a boom size and save a noticeable amount of weight.


True if you are a lighter sailor.....it is a pity we don't have confidence in our booms to use them at full extension. I guess the best solution for weight and strength would be fixed length booms. But then you would need a boom for each of your sails.......I do know people who have a boom for each sail they have so that it is always setup at the correct length for the sail.
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