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Carbon boom repair

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Created by gregcacace 7 months ago, 7 Sep 2018
gregcacace
NSW, 8 posts
7 Sep 2018 6:00PM
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Some thoughts.
my much loved Severn Enigma Boom snapped last weekend where the oversized straight section on the arm joins the narrow diameter section. No crash, just mid jibe. The break is very clean. Has anyone managed to successfully repair a boom arm. I was thinking an internal sleeve and carbon wrap on the outside??
Is this wise??

Mark _australia
WA, 18959 posts
7 Sep 2018 5:20PM
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^^ Yeah its possible, wait for AUS808 to chime in he's done TONS professionally and I've got two of his that are still going strong.
When you look at how much material is in a boom (not much!!) its clear that a sleeve and wrap would be more than strong enough. You can custom your own sleeve by making a bit of foam just undersized, 3-4 layers of carbon/ epoxy around it and tape firmly with plastic masking tape.
Then glue that in with a good epoxy like JB Weld. Its almost useable at that point.....pretty damn strong ......and the wrap is then just helping a bit.
But as I said wait for AUS808 he's the expert

How old is it? I found Severne warranty to be bloody tops.


As an aside,I think many manufacturers have gone too skinny on carbon wave booms, I can see the flex in them when I load downward in the harness. Put aGoPro out on the clew and you see a massive difference.
Increase the dia around 2mm seems just as comfy and way stronger- I can't bend the 27-28mm ones when sailing but the skinny ones do seem to. And can't see 2mm difference in my forearm pump or lack thereof.

Te Hau
352 posts
7 Sep 2018 5:33PM
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gregcacace said..
Some thoughts.
my much loved Severn Enigma Boom snapped last weekend where the oversized straight section on the arm joins the narrow diameter section. No crash, just mid jibe. The break is very clean. Has anyone managed to successfully repair a boom arm. I was thinking an internal sleeve and carbon wrap on the outside??
Is this wise??


Yep, no problem. Have done exactly that.
As Mark says there's not much material in many of them so your joint is usually way better than original.
FYI ....Maui boom od 27.0 , id 22.5 (2.25mm wall)

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
7 Sep 2018 7:34PM
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Kinda hijack . On boom diameter . Thinner is better to hang on to . But not all is lost , v grip,is the answer . My 32 mm V gripped is easier to hang onto than my 28 round .

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
7 Sep 2018 8:33PM
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I would Araldyte a thick 5 mm aluminium tube core 300 mm long with tapered ends . That repair would hold up half a Land Cruiser at 200gm. Re grip and away you go . It will never break in that area again. Find someone with a lathe. I'd make it for $ 40 plus postage. It's a love job

gregcacace
NSW, 8 posts
7 Sep 2018 9:32PM
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Well this sounds a little promising!!
Severne can't be faulted with backup service but this boom has had a good life since getting it in 2014ish. I wouldn't dream asking about a claim.

pepe47
WA, 1202 posts
8 Sep 2018 3:08PM
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If you go for the insert, "play with carbon" has all sizes of carbon tubes, with differing wall thicknesses. They supply carbon tubes for drones etc. Pulltruded would be the go. I can't see why it wouldn't work.. I'd take the tail off for the insertion, then put it all back together for the application of the "wrap". That way the holes will line up properly.

Mark _australia
WA, 18959 posts
8 Sep 2018 5:29PM
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^^^ +1

Ally is going to be a bit heavy and risk galvanic corrosion if it touches the carbon

kato
VIC, 2423 posts
8 Sep 2018 9:31PM
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Done one which is still going strong, don't use Ally, use carbon tube and a good epoxy

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
9 Sep 2018 7:23AM
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I would have thought alloy needs air and water to corrode therefore glueing it in solid would have been fine. Unlike a alloy boom end grinding with salt water and sand in and out of a carbon boom . Alloy would be easy to make , trying to find strong enough carbon tube at the correct diameter especially where the boom broke at the two different diameters .???
Id also go hee for tiggy if you could notice the weight. Alloys not that heavy.
And a light wrap over the top.
Just trying co come up with the easiest , cheapest solution that would be strong as an Ox. I'm sure the well used boom would fail elsewhere before the repair does.

Simon100
QLD, 483 posts
9 Sep 2018 8:42AM
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I repaied a maui boom yeas ago that cracked at the head, veed it out wrapped more carbon arround then wrapped in insualtion tape to hold it all down while it dried just load it up with carbon and you cant go wrong. it turned out really well and i used it for years after with no issues.

Tardy
2884 posts
9 Sep 2018 7:17AM
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it would be simular to a broken SUP paddle .if you can find a paddle insert the right size to fit in glass that in ,,people cut paddles to size .
if not make one .I used a piece of circular cardboard to get the right size ,just taped a piece together .,i carbon glasses the outside of the cardboard ,let dry ,then sanded it
glassed it in ,as well as carbon glassed the outside joint .done .4 years ago ,still going .

dont use alloy insert.

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
9 Sep 2018 9:23AM
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I give up

Mark _australia
WA, 18959 posts
9 Sep 2018 8:36AM
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^^^ haha yours is fine mate but if the ally touched the carbon when inserting it will corrode, hard tobe 100% sure there is glue all around
Plus it means fabricating which you can do but everyone else can't so will just buy a bit of carbon tube for $20 or make a tube

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
9 Sep 2018 10:48AM
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Everyone should at least have a lathe and a air hose coming out of their wall.

Mark _australia
WA, 18959 posts
9 Sep 2018 9:07AM
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and a mill

I am still wishing but not enough room

Tardy
2884 posts
9 Sep 2018 3:20PM
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Imax .at least you didnt use a broom stick ..yours wouldn't break ,just corrode maybe in time . just keep it out of salt water .

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
9 Sep 2018 7:44PM
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Imax .at least you didnt use a broom stick ..yours wouldn't break ,just corrode maybe in time . just keep it out of salt water .



It's the two different diameters thing that I'd like to see someone do in laminated cardboard or foam or buying hobby carbon .
By the time a alloy core rusts a new Jesus will be born. Paint the alloy core in resin first and there is no way in hell it will rust out before the third Jesus.
Id comfortably do it on my and my loved ones booms . Rust , corrosion , psht ! , we're talking a heavily used boom getting another couple years , no re writing science.

Imax1
VIC, 1777 posts
9 Sep 2018 8:54PM
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I understand perfect .
And that's way better than me .
What I try to offer here is a easy strong fix . Thats always my contributions .
That's what this fat cat offers.
Thats why I think Araldyte is a backyarders best friend. Perfect ding repair . Strong and flexy enough on it own , sticks like **** to a blanket and laminated with anything indestructible . 5 minute Araldyte would have to be better than any board fix putty as long as it's dry . You could prepare area with rubbing in sand.
Just one in many methods.
Wrapping the boom in glass , carbon , would be easiest and if bulked up enough would be just fine

Mark _australia
WA, 18959 posts
9 Sep 2018 9:41PM
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Imax1 said..
It's the two different diameters thing that I'd like to see someone do in laminated cardboard or foam or buying hobby carbon .



Pizza piss.


foam, shape into fat cylinder, then shape half into skinnier cylinder. If any bend is required, cut wedges, bend and tack with glue. Done.

Fair bit easier than lathe job on ally.....

Tardy
2884 posts
10 Sep 2018 4:01AM
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Imax1 said..

Tardy said..
Imax .at least you didnt use a broom stick ..yours wouldn't break ,just corrode maybe in time . just keep it out of salt water .




It's the two different diameters thing that I'd like to see someone do in laminated cardboard or foam or buying hobby carbon .
By the time a alloy core rusts a new Jesus will be born. Paint the alloy core in resin first and there is no way in hell it will rust out before the third Jesus.
Id comfortably do it on my and my loved ones booms . Rust , corrosion , psht ! , we're talking a heavily used boom getting another couple years , no re writing science.


TO true mate ,your back on the water thats all that counts ,
its a mans shed and you can do what ever you want in it

I'm fond on 5 minute Araldyte .

NotWal
QLD, 6857 posts
11 Sep 2018 12:39AM
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NP used to make booms that were half alloy half carbon. I wonder how that went?

AUS 808
WA, 226 posts
12 Sep 2018 12:56PM
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Mark _australia said..
^^ Yeah its possible, wait for AUS808 to chime in he's done TONS professionally and I've got two of his that are still going strong.
When you look at how much material is in a boom (not much!!) its clear that a sleeve and wrap would be more than strong enough. You can custom your own sleeve by making a bit of foam just undersized, 3-4 layers of carbon/ epoxy around it and tape firmly with plastic masking tape.
Then glue that in with a good epoxy like JB Weld. Its almost useable at that point.....pretty damn strong ......and the wrap is then just helping a bit.
But as I said wait for AUS808 he's the expert

How old is it? I found Severne warranty to be bloody tops.


As an aside,I think many manufacturers have gone too skinny on carbon wave booms, I can see the flex in them when I load downward in the harness. Put aGoPro out on the clew and you see a massive difference.
Increase the dia around 2mm seems just as comfy and way stronger- I can't bend the 27-28mm ones when sailing but the skinny ones do seem to. And can't see 2mm difference in my forearm pump or lack thereof.


Mark,
I have been waiting for the email telling me you eventually broke my old boom I actually miss that boom
I'm no expert, just muck around & take on stupid challenges.

To make an odd shaped internal sleeve I use Backer Rod which is a soft foam used between concrete tilt-up panels.
Wrap it in layers of carbon and then wet out the carbon, glad wrap on the outside, squish it down in diameter & fit it into the boom arm where it will end up. It will expand slowly to the exact shape required.
After it dries you can remove the backer rod or leave it in but you have a perfect sleeve ready to be glued in
This works well for booms that are broken near the front on the curve or where they taper, otherwise just use straight tubes.

I have a lot of Carbon Tube laying around if anyone needs some, not sure of the diameters off the top of my head but need to get rid of it.
Sourced from China but super strong when sleeved up in layers of different diameters.

Hooksey
WA, 496 posts
6 Jan 2019 9:45PM
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Great thread. How long would you normally make the new internal sleeve? 5cm on each side from the point where the boom cracked?

Gestalt
QLD, 11957 posts
7 Jan 2019 8:20PM
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great thread.

i've got an older carbon boom i snapped after only 6 months of use so it's in as new condition. just ordered a carbon pipe from ebay for $16..
fingers crossed i'll have another boom soon.



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