Carve vs. X Cite

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PaulVee
PaulVee
VIC
126 posts
VIC, 126 posts
27 May 2006 2:58pm
Hi All,
I am interested in picking up a lighter wind board (10-20knts). Does anyone have any feedback regarding the Carve 122 (not sure on vol) or the X-Cite 120?

Thanks,
PV
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
27 May 2006 8:04pm
Paul, Did you used to go to STHS??
PaulVee
PaulVee
VIC
126 posts
VIC, 126 posts
28 May 2006 7:32am
Hi Harrow,
Sorry have to pass on that one. What is STHS?
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
28 May 2006 8:53am
Both the boards were reviewed in a recent Boards mag and both had really good reviews. The Carve planed a little earlier and the X Cite was a little faster. Going by the report you can't go wrong with either, may come down to preference on fittings and price.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
28 May 2006 2:33pm
quote:
Originally posted by PaulVee

Hi Harrow,
Sorry have to pass on that one. What is STHS?

Obviously the answer is 'no', otherwise you'd know. (Sydney Technical High School)
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
28 May 2006 1:19pm
Have a look at the most recent review here

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16968



The carves have had that ALOT of rave review - which gives them alot of credibility.

Starboard invented the modern freeride category 8 years ago with their first carves- while everyone else was making narrow hard release boards that gybed like pigs. So they tend to have a lead in the sweet ride / sweet gybe style boards.

The Carves gybe as well or better than the wave boards in the range -with the volume giving you drive through the arc. this means you can throw a 122 or 133 litre board into a full banking hard carve and come flying out just as fast as you went in!(with experience)

Nowadays some brands have responded with some good products in the freeride category - which is great for the industry as a whole.

Have a look at all the excellent reviews of the carves over the years on the Starboard website and you will get the idea.

mr bagus
mr bagus
WA
85 posts
WA, 85 posts
30 May 2006 6:01am
Pretty much the same for JP Excite rides - top of the tests for many years. Can't go wrong with either - try b4 u buy!
racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
WA, 315 posts
30 May 2006 1:09pm
quote:

The carves have had that ALOT of rave review - which gives them alot of credibility.



No it doesn't. It just means that Starboard has a huge advertising budget.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
6 Jun 2006 3:50pm
Jeez Auswind, you write like a Starboard bigot. Do you have a personal interest in them?
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
6 Jun 2006 2:35pm
Auswind are the distributors of The Starboard brand here in Australia.

we do tend to be biased towards The Starboard Vision as we have a vested interest in the brand as well as input into much of the West Australian R and D that they do. (Starboard has solid aussie content which we are proud of in such a successful international brand)

However our position is very much to promote the growth of windsurfing as a sport rather than actively focus on taking market share from other brands. Having said that we will take every opportunity to promote our products where they perform with particular strength.

In the end we aim to offer an informed option to the consumer who has the final choice! As a major sponsor of Seabreeze we use this as a platform to deliver information - if it reads like hype or being bigoted we apologize - that is our enthusiasm for the sport and products coming through.

In review we still stand by our comments as being truthful and in good faith.

We will always back up info on the Starboard brand with test results, competition results or other forms of useful feedback.

It is no secret that Starboard has helped lead, through Start boards and widestyle board development that runs from Go boards right through to the smallest Evo, the modern resurgence of the global windsurfing industry. And make no mistake about it - Windsurfing is growing big time!

The inference that magazine reviews are influnced by advertising spend is an easy one to make on a forum but has little relation to reality - with many smaller players also releasing fantastic products that recieve solid reviews. This is excellent and good for product development,consumers and the industry as a whole.

Here at Auswind we also help sponsor and organise many of the state and national events that help define windsurfing in Australia.

Even more importantly we are committed to getting as many windsurfing schools as possible teaching on modern, super easy to use, windsurfing gear - for the future growth of the sport and the industry including all brands that share our continued longterm participation in and optimism for the excellent sport that is windsurfing in Australia.
racycoot
racycoot
WA
315 posts
WA, 315 posts
7 Jun 2006 2:12pm
I don't see it as bigotry. In fact, it's good that the industry takes part in these forums.

Yeah, you're gonna get biased information but at least you're getting information.

I guess the trap is for forum-newbies who don't pick up on the fact that Auswind has a vested interest and take everything you say as gospel.

Maybe you should make a disclaimer-signature, Auswind.

(as an aside, just noticed the note that appears at the top of the box where you type messages: "Please: Keep it fun! No commercial advertising and no abusing anyone! Thanks!")
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
8 Jun 2006 11:35am
As long as you state your affiliation I have no objection. If I know your posts are advertising I can read them as such.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
8 Jun 2006 12:20pm
Auswind are a little forcefull with their marketing, but you should realise their position by Site Sponsor being under their name. Their affiliation is very apparent, which cant be said for many of the sponsored riders etc that frequent the forums and recommend gear.

Personally I would choose the Carve over the X-cite, based mainly on my opinions of the brands and their construction methods/longevity.
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
8 Jun 2006 10:45am
Guys,

Thank you for your feedback. We will keep posts factual and do our best to provide an entertaining and useful information resource to seabreeze readers on this open forum.

All the best

Matt H and the team.
Auswind



mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
8 Jun 2006 6:14pm
Auswind, just something extra and if you care to type... but I would prefer reading your personal reviews of gear rather than the tripe plastered across most of the websites. Your affiliation can be taken into account but this dosent really matter as people making reviews may be sponsored or just have an affection for a particular brand/s and put a positive spin on it anyway.
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
9 Jun 2006 6:27am
Reviews that are posted are magazine reviews that are conducted as objectively as possible and in comparison with other brands and models. Usually using a panel of riders who are riding all the boards or sails comparitively.

Any affiliations are USUALLY ironed out by having a panel of riders from varying backgrounds at varying skill levels.

In Europe the magazine reviews ( especially German surf mag, the french mags and the UK mags) can make or break sales of a particular model.

As such when a magazine review says "this board compared to the others on test this board has outstanding speed" you can take that as a good indication that it does relative to the other boards on test.

It also pays to look at competition results and to check if that was done on production or custom gear. As an example - Antoine Albeau's recent run of wins on the has been done on production Isonics and Formulas. Pro Team riders often ride gear painted up as production - often from different shapers.

The next step is to try and get a demo on the particular board you have heard great things about. If it rides as well or better than your expectations then you know you are on to a winner.

In our experience personal reviews CAN be misleading as they are often done in a "vacuum" with little relativity to a baseline of performance. 1 voice saying my board gybes brilliantly gives you little idea of how that board compares to everything else.

Where a characteristic of a sail or board really stands out we may give a personal comment (such as outstanding competition performance ) - but in the pursuit of objectivity this will be rare.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
9 Jun 2006 10:00am
and each website only posts reviews on which their product performs well. I have seen very few reviews on websites where all parts of the magazine review where included. If you have good riders and they say a board goes fast then it goes fast, yes comparison to other brands is limited but that is what the magazine reviews are there for. Magazine's also have limited time in which to conduct their reviews giving more a first impressions review rather than anything solid, furthermore often stock fins etc are used limiting potential of boards.

I'm not saying not to post the magazine/website reviews, they are welcome but some feedback from you guys would be welcome also if you have ridden a particular board and think it outstanding.
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
9 Jun 2006 1:39pm
We will endeavour to give as much feedback on gear as we can!

Thanks you for your suggestions!
brav
brav
21 posts
21 posts
7 Aug 2006 1:58pm
Just read your posts on this topic with much interest as I'm trying to decide between (in no particular order) a JP X-cite Ride (135L or 150L) OR a Starboard Carve 144 or similar.

Both magazines and individuals rave about both boards BUT how it is possible (as most recommend) to 'try before you buy'

Given the range of advice on board sizes (see www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20896)
as someone returning to the sport I am a bit reluctant to spend $$$'s based on a quick look at several boards in a shop.

Anyone suggest somewhere in NSW where it is possible to demo these boards?
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
7 Aug 2006 11:37pm
look very hard at both the boards after you've told the pesky salesman to go and leave you alone.
check the lines, the shape, the finish, and work out which one of these toys you would like to own!
i love new boards, but you have to "want" to ride that board for the next season.
boards of similar design, volume, criteria, are....similar between brands.
of interest, check out which brand has good resale in your local area.
or see it in your garage in 20 years time.
brav
brav
21 posts
21 posts
8 Aug 2006 7:11am
Thanks - sounds advice.
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