Chop Hopping

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nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
24 May 2006 2:07pm
Hi,

I've been trying to chop hop the last few sessions, but not having much success.

Haircut reckons it's like ollieing a skateboard, unfortunately I've never been much good on a skateboard. I can bunnyhop a BMX though.

Is it sort of like bunnyhopping? Do you sort of sink down and then thrust the board down just before the crest of the chop? What do you do with the sail? Every time I try it I'm braced against the pull of the sail and so when the fin lifts out, the back of the board spins away from me.

I've heard about tucking the feet underneath my bum but never managed that.

Any tips from the experienced chop hoppers?
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
24 May 2006 2:23pm
You need speed first

Then line up a sea chop with a steepish face

As you approach face Imagine the motion of standing still on a trampoline and compressing youirself, launching vertically, and bending your knees as you lift off the trampoline,

Once airborne, then ideally bear the nose downwind, and tuck knees up to your chest and your back foot under your bum.

Hope this helps hopefully other peoples explanations will complete the picture for you?
eastie
eastie
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
24 May 2006 3:30pm
i bungle (and bingle) my way through with the hardman method - although i first got the feeling by pressuring the board by pushing down and then pulling up when planing without any chop around. I was amazed you can throw the board around so much.

And then again i may have bonged my head on some full pipe i was pulling...(windsurfers vs kiteboarding whos more extreme thread)!!!
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
24 May 2006 4:43pm
hi nebs

i'm no mark reid... but you can't beat this.

find a nice reef break at least 300m from the shore, hit the 6ft steep face just before it breaks at full speed.....scream out YEEEEEHHAAAAAHHHHHH dukes of hazzard stylee, close your eyes and land in a heap
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
24 May 2006 7:08pm
hi nebbian,

agree with hardman. forget all the tips about pushing down the tail as you hit the chop etc. when you are learning that will only kill your speed and stop you from getting any lift. try that once your a bit better at the air time.
also don't try and jump, just sail along at full speed, when you see a chop in front of you then launch off it. wait for a biggish chop with a steep face.

once you have hit the face lift your front leg. that will start the nose upwards, then pull your back leg up under your bum. you will now float up and downwind. the front leg then back leg is pretty quick, almost at the same time. ie.. an ollie

the other things are your sail control. if you sheet in the nose will drop. if you sheet out the tail will drop.

when i first learnt to jump it was in 3 foot surf. what i did was to lean back when i hit the wave lip. at first i used to land on my back. then i started to lift my back leg up once airbourne and found that i could get my weight more over my board to flatten things out. this let me do long flat jumps. then i started to sheet in and out with the sail so i could start to get the landings more under control. sheet in for nose first etc.

edit... i forgot to mention, unhook first. doing this will make you stand more upright over the top of your board so you can control your gear better. it is from this position that you need to do the leg thing. if you try and jump hooked in you won't be able to pop as easily.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
24 May 2006 6:35pm
Thanks guys,

Gestalt that's very well explained. Got a much clearer picture in my head now, especially the sail control while in the air.

I've tried the push the back foot down before the face method but it always seems to kill the speed (as you said) and I'm left floundering in the water completely off the plane. The only times I've gotten the fin out of the water is just heading straight for some steepish chop and not worrying about the 'ollie' part.

Of course, once the fin's out of the water everything goes pear shaped very quickly

Not really about to try Windy Miller's method... call me chicken if you want

What about angling the board so the wind catches the bottom? (Sort of like pushing the downwind rail down) Does anyone do this?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
24 May 2006 9:11pm
hi again,

once you get the jumps happening then start to try the pop method...
my previous suggestions were to get you airborne and in control. after you are doing that then the next stuff follows.

when i was trying to improve my jump height i spent 3 weeks just on the take offs. trying the pop thing.

this is what i discovered.

firstly, the push down with the back leg has to be very sutble. to heavy footed and you stall. a lot less pressure than i first thought. if you try too hard it kills things.

secondly, you should do the pop just as you hit the lip. not before the face or on the face. the timing is very important. doing it at the top of the lip will make you go from a 1 foot jump to a 4 foot jump.

a couple of good places to go to learn to jump are

shearwater and redcliffe. problem with redcliffe and shearwater is that you are always heading across the swell. My pick is the caloundra bar. you can head straight into small waves over shallow water. you will have no problem getting airbourne there. it is perfect.

best of luck...
HAIL
HAIL
SA
1160 posts
SA, 1160 posts
25 May 2006 10:44am
hi their! ive only just started learning chop hops as well. my biggest piece of advice UNHOOK..... i actully snapped my stainless harness bar clean off attempting one! not a good feeling.
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
25 May 2006 11:15am
And don't forget about downhaul to help in chop-hopping. I've found that if the sail isn't downhauled enough, it makes the board feel like it's glued to the water. Making sure you have plenty of downhaul makes the sail feel lighter, and more jumpable and controllable.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
25 May 2006 6:32pm
sometime pictures are a 1000 times better than words!!!!!!

this is what i'm talking about Mr Nebbian ... (thanx Mr Xman)

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1887

but don't forget your nappy and maybe a parachute.....
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
QLD
340 posts
QLD, 340 posts
25 May 2006 8:37pm
like Lars Petersen said - look for a piece of steep chop doon wind, crooch doon, take off, sheet in hard and look to de back of de boom, followed by, land

easy
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
25 May 2006 10:13pm
nice one haircut, you'll have nebbian doing forwards in no time..

sheet in, look back at boom, and don't forget the helmet...
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
26 May 2006 7:07am
Looking forward to trying all this next session. What't the chance of damaging the board by landing flat? (Presuming I only manage to get a foot or two off the water. )
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
26 May 2006 5:22am
hey haircut... i thought lars peterson was from scandanavia not Scotland!!!!!!! hoots man

how good is that video of his, i think i got to the first trick ( a gybe) then gave up after that, he is making it sound so easy especially with his methodical laidback scando accenct YAH !


Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
26 May 2006 8:40am
I really like his second one Feed Your Soul Freestyle, if that's the one you mean. ALthough he oversimplifies the instructions like in his first video, the footage and skill of some of the sailors is unreal hey! Apparently the instructions were written by Jem Hall who runs his own school in some place all the poms go to. So i guess we can't put too much blame on Pete
leepasty
leepasty
424 posts
424 posts
26 May 2006 10:04am
3 things- front hand, front foot, back foot.
approaching chop at full speed, unhook being carefull not to sheet out!, compress a little as nose hits chop, punch hand up follow ing with front leg and bring back leg up under bum.
now you are airborn and as you bring back leg under bum slightly extend front leg downwind to land still planing.
using the front hand more will turn your chop hops from little 1-2ft airs to proper big floaty jumps and you don't need little waves as long as its windy 5m and under weather you can go 6ft+ easy.
golden rule is don't pussey out just go for it!
enjoy
remember ian boyd- "bend your knees"
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
26 May 2006 5:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by Harrow

What't the chance of damaging the board by landing flat? (Presuming I only manage to get a foot or two off the water. )


very little unless you're using a super light speed only board. I landed a big jump flat earlier this season, made so much noise my wife heard it from our house!!! No damage at all, but my boards are reinforced for this, and I don't weigh much.
Bayblaster
Bayblaster
VIC
122 posts
VIC, 122 posts
30 May 2006 7:37pm
Everyone’s given great advice so here’s my 2 cents worth.
I would say don’t go “full speed” when your just learning to chop hop, sure full speed will get you bigger jumps but jumpings a timing and technique thing and timing might be tricky when your gunning it overpowered at max speed. Just make sure you are planing & in the straps. You have to do a small jump on the board at just the right time, that’s when you hit the lip of the chop, you’ll automatically compress as you start your little jump with your legs. Once your airbourne try to keep the board flat. Do something radical and you’ll probably loose control and nose dive. Don’t worry about the downwind thing until you can actually jump. You’ll just spin out when you land, no biggy. You’ll only be in the air for a split second so it wont feel like your flying or anything. Lifting up on the boom might aid the whole spring thing? I never learnt by unhooking and think that you don’t really need to because you don’t want to be moving the rig around much anyway. I’m talking about small chop here not waves. Make sure your boards under say 120 ltr’s. The smaller the board the more it will respond for you. One last thing I found, it’s safer to try and land the jump when you get to much height and you $hit yourself, because a few times I’ve tried to bail but got a foot stuck in the straps and then paid for it when I’ve nearly broken my ankle. Good luck!
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