Cleaning cloudy monofilm panels - back to clear

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russh
russh
SA
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15 Mar 2008 11:34am
Any tips on getting some clarity back into monofilm panels

found it hard to see through while sailing a couple of small waves yesterday and got snotted by a little section that looked through a clouded panel to be nice for a top turn - but was half broken and smacked me instead - resulting in a 100 metre swim to my gear.

Any solutions that don't cause more problems

Think I will just have to look around the mast
Stewie
Stewie
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15 Mar 2008 12:07pm
I dont think you can do anything that will be permanent.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
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15 Mar 2008 10:45am
I found that just hosing salt off wasn't quite good enough, so once a year I've got mine a lot better by hanging up and scrubbing with warm water with a TINY drop of detergent and a broom. Then rinse with rainwater (water is a bit hard here so perhaps where you are it may rinse clear if using tap water)


If you mean lots of small scratches on it, I don't think there is anything much you can do
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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15 Mar 2008 10:52am
I have heard good things about this product:

www.goldeagle.com/brands/303-products/


Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
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15 Mar 2008 11:01am
Don't Rub panels liberally with battered savs, dimmies and anything else from Stewies uncles Bain Marie
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
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15 Mar 2008 11:35am
Have done this and it works

water and vinegar - half and half.
Wash it down, then rinse off.

Brings em back like new.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
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15 Mar 2008 1:24pm
I will divide the panel in four and do a randomn blind controlled trial with all of the above (except 303 as this may involve money).

How do I get stewies bay marie savs and dimmies?
HAIL
HAIL
SA
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15 Mar 2008 1:35pm
WINDEX....... I HERD IT WORKS??????
jp747
jp747
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15 Mar 2008 12:11pm
try acetone
OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
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15 Mar 2008 2:12pm
jp747 said...

try acetone


Wouldnt acetone damage the monofilm? You certainly cant use it on any form of plastic/vinyl etc.
Stewie
Stewie
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15 Mar 2008 4:06pm
Rub panels liberally with battered savs, dimmies and anything else from Stewies uncles Bain Marie


That is just plain silly.
FletcHuz
FletcHuz
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15 Mar 2008 5:17pm
Windex wipes or Mr Sheen are both good!
gazza
gazza
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647 posts
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15 Mar 2008 4:02pm
DO NOT YOU RAINDEX ON PLASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cleaned my sail on Thursday with Plexus $22 a can from BCF

Designed to clean all kinds of plastics was originally designed for aviation to clean the window but great on boat clears and sails.

my sail is 6 months old and it came up like new, could see through the main panel as good as the day i bought it

the water beads off the sail as well so no water marks after i had finished

will probably have to repeat the clean every couple of sails but its well worth the 2 minutes of work so you can see the lip miles before you hit it

you dont need water, just spray and wipe it off
so can be done after you have rigged up anywhere

best thing since sliced bread

www.plexusplasticcleaner.com/plexus.html
jp747
jp747
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15 Mar 2008 5:05pm
OceanBlue64 said...

jp747 said...

try acetone


Wouldnt acetone damage the monofilm? You certainly cant use it on any form of plastic/vinyl etc.


hi ob64 not really i've been using it since years ago to take of adhesives of stickers and grime to make it clean again if am not mistaken i started using this when i read somewhere to use it...just make sure it's for the girlie nails thing not the industrial type if ever there was one
555
555
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15 Mar 2008 7:59pm
Don't use acetone or solvents. When monofilm sails are made, the panels are initially joined by double sided sticky stuff, and then sewn afterwards.

Solvent like Acetone will attack the sticky stuff, and will end up weakening the seams. Besides which, Acetone would only clean off any residue on the sail, and do nothing to help the very small scratches which are generally where the problem is.

303 Protectant is meant to work, and possibly turtle wax 'ice' as well.
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
15 Mar 2008 9:57pm
555 said...

Don't use acetone or solvents. When monofilm sails are made, the panels are initially joined by double sided sticky stuff, and then sewn afterwards.

Solvent like Acetone will attack the sticky stuff, and will end up weakening the seams. Besides which, Acetone would only clean off any residue on the sail, and do nothing to help the very small scratches which are generally where the problem is.

303 Protectant is meant to work, and possibly turtle wax 'ice' as well.


ob64 555 has a point on the seam's part..never bothered regarding thatturtle wax as in car wax???
goodbrewster
goodbrewster
55 posts
55 posts
15 Mar 2008 10:07pm
After cleaning, a guy informed me that treating them with Amorall
www.armorall.com/
will protect them.
eyeMhardcor
eyeMhardcor
255 posts
255 posts
15 Mar 2008 10:34pm
Acrylic polish, fibreglass polish. A product called gel gloss is the go.
Richiefish
Richiefish
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15 Mar 2008 11:45pm
I wonder if "plexus" would work. It does wonders on boat clears.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
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16 Mar 2008 10:04am
Jesalt pointed out '303' to me like 8 years ago, works pretty well. Can source it from any Autobarn or if they dont have it in stock, they can order it in for you.
whyner
whyner
NSW
762 posts
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16 Mar 2008 1:06pm
Plexus is good if the sail is just dirty but if it is scratched you will need to use a cutting compund. There are fibreglass and (plastic) polishes you can use. Plexus is not that good at getting scratches out.
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
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16 Mar 2008 12:17pm
havent used it myself but many say "Meguiars clear plastic cleaner" and "Meguiars clear plastic polish" are very good.( on boat clears )
555
555
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16 Mar 2008 4:38pm
jp747 said...
turtle wax as in car wax???


Yeah - it's designed to fill tiny scratches in the clear coat on 'well kept vehicles' with a clear hard wax to restore a showroom shine. Also contains UV inhibitors.

Should be perfect for the job. I haven't tried it myself yet though.

Turtle wax 'Ice': www.turtlewax.com/
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
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16 Mar 2008 10:31pm
I have used car shampoo on several occasions applied with a sponge same as you wash your car (if you do). Rinse and chamois off and next time you take it out of the bag you'll think you've got a new sail! But i am going to try some of the ideas suggested here
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
17 Mar 2008 9:50pm
555 said...

jp747 said...
turtle wax as in car wax???


Yeah - it's designed to fill tiny scratches in the clear coat on 'well kept vehicles' with a clear hard wax to restore a showroom shine. Also contains UV inhibitors.

Should be perfect for the job. I haven't tried it myself yet though.

Turtle wax 'Ice': www.turtlewax.com/



interesting as long as the wax itself clears when it fills the scratches but better than seeing just lines all over
goodbrewster
goodbrewster
55 posts
55 posts
18 Mar 2008 12:10am
padi said...

Jesalt pointed out '303' to me like 8 years ago, works pretty well. Can source it from any Autobarn or if they dont have it in stock, they can order it in for you.
All these products are rather expensive. Vinegar and water isn't.

NotWal
NotWal
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18 Mar 2008 4:07am
goodbrewster said...

padi said...

Jesalt pointed out '303' to me like 8 years ago, works pretty well. Can source it from any Autobarn or if they dont have it in stock, they can order it in for you.
All these products are rather expensive. Vinegar and water isn't.




If its not expensive its not good enough. Maybe Perrier and cider vinegar...
555
555
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18 Mar 2008 6:27am
goodbrewster said...

padi said...

Jesalt pointed out '303' to me like 8 years ago, works pretty well. Can source it from any Autobarn or if they dont have it in stock, they can order it in for you.
All these products are rather expensive. Vinegar and water isn't.




Vinegar and water doesn't fill small surface scratches. Don't think Perrier would either.

Scotch on the other hand, could definitely be worth a try.
Calvin
Calvin
QLD
24 posts
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18 Mar 2008 10:02am
Mr Sheen works well on boat clears. Haven't tried it on mono though.
j mac
j mac
NSW
4 posts
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18 Mar 2008 11:11am
goodbrewster said...

After cleaning, a guy informed me that treating them with Amorall
www.armorall.com/
will protect them.


Do not use armorall we have in the past it makes the film go hard then explodes with out notice. If you are wanting to clean your sail's normaly just a bit of soapy water and a rinse after, if it dry's milky your sail is getting to old and the uv has broken down your film. I have repaired many sail's normaly 1 every couple of weeks with mono film. Once they stay milky after a good soapy wash they are weak and you can not fix this problem. Another reason why mono film is not a good cloth.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
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18 Mar 2008 10:03am
555 said...

Vinegar and water doesn't fill small surface scratches. Don't think Perrier would either.

Scotch on the other hand, could definitely be worth a try.


Vinegar goes OK on fish and chips... Grease from battered savs is great for filling those nasty to fill scratches
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