I've always had the cup mast base and extension type. But I have been told that the pin style is better? For what reasons? Who uses what and why? What's your opinion?

by pin if you mean Euro then they are good because they are quick release.

otherwise i got nothin...

Chinook (I think) did have a problem with the euro pin's breaking but they fixed that. I prefer pin, but have old chinook cup for freestyle gear cause i havent updated that base yet.

Pin's are better cause they are easier to release when in the water, easier to put back in and under high downhaul loads the extension can elongate- pin base will still fit in and due to reinforcing reduce elongation whereas the cup just wont fit in.

I use a solid/tendon UJ for slalom gear and a seperate rubber joint for my wave gear.

This is a very very old tired topic that went to about 60 replies in the last thread a bit over a year ago. Likewise on rec.windsurfing and every other web forum.

General concensus at the end was that those in the know (industry) say that pins breaking is old news, they wanted to sell product so beefed up the pins. I changed to Europin 2 yrs ago (wavesailing) and both the Arrows and Chinook bases have pins that you would never break trust me. Stronger than a a fibre reinforced plastic cup surely? That does seem to be true, anyone who has bought quality europin bases in the last coupla years , no problems.

I changed because I got sick of the metal spring breaking away from the pins in the cup system.... and all the different spring clips have slightly different length or diameter pins. 1000km from home trying to file the spare one down with a leatherman and a rock because it is 1mm too long.

a boge is the black rubber hourglass-shaped uni joint.

dunno if you can swap them easily but someone will.

if it's any use i've never broken a boge but have broken a tendon landing a jump at lancelin.

Thank God for the string that holds the top and bottom of the UJ together. I didn't know what that was for until that day. Was able to sail it on a string :)

Windsurfer sorry was not criticising your post..... just saying this is about as old as Holden vs Fords

Unless you sail Hawaii, Gnaraloo, etc twice a week and really go off, either system will be great as long as you buy quality such as Chinook etc.
Currently I mix and match parts to make my Europin system. Arrows have the best pin (top half) but their base plate is held on with 4 x self tapping screws into plastic, whereas the Chinook plate is indestructible. I'm not happy with 4 x screws that bed 15mm into plastic. If I had to guess, the bottom half of a Chinook is approx 10 times stronger.

Does that mean that Kiting is the missing link?

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Originally posted by reiffo

Does that mean that Kiting is the missing link?

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Dear Reiffo,

I'm thinking that the missing link may be found in the slime of Boggy Lake, South Oz.
Turn left at Jurassic Park.
You can't miss it, look for the dinosaurs with the little triangular sails.

Chinook cup for me.

Slave,
You are so right. You turn left passed Monarto Zoo but be careful as you could miss it as it is a cattle gate about 17km from Langhorne Creek. The slime is first class A grade and is great for the skin. Dont waste you time with the South oz thing as I am Western Australian and proud of it.
Cheers