Dunkerbeck on Starboard ??

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AUS003
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12 Aug 2008 4:59pm
Just noticed Bjorn Dunkerbeck's registered and riding Starboard Isonic's in the latest PWA event in Alacati !
What's going on ? Can't he get hold of any Carbon Art's ?
Bender
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12 Aug 2008 5:11pm
I saw that but thought i was wrong. Yes it looks like an Isonic but an older one as its got the squarer nose as the newers one are more rounded.
elmo
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12 Aug 2008 5:55pm
Dunky's on Thommens isn't he?
Crash Landing
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12 Aug 2008 8:40pm
Not proof?
jp747
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12 Aug 2008 7:04pm
kinda off topic here..a friend of mine read an article somewhere and explained that winning 35championships and a dozen world titles was because he was the only sailor that was fully sponsored from fin to boom during his time and if Albeau was on the same era the latter would have beaten him easily..i don't really believe this and was only someone's opinion
Mobydisc
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12 Aug 2008 9:16pm
Robby Naish was heavily sponsored at the time and before Dunkerbeck's time too. Anders Brignal had heavy duty support too. However Anders seemed like too much of a nice guy to really psych Dunkerbeck out.



Chris 249
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12 Aug 2008 9:56pm
I think your mate's well off beam, 747.

In those days, lots of guys were heavily sponsored. In Dunkie's first year, Robby was one of the few good guys not driving around in a new Audi - because he was racing his own Porsche back home. Still, he hired (well, maybe it was bought) a nice black 911 for the Euro season.


evlPanda
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12 Aug 2008 10:40pm
Chris 249 said...

I think your mate's well off beam, 747.

In those days, lots of guys were heavily sponsored. In Dunkie's first year, Robby was one of the few good guys not driving around in a new Audi - because he was racing his own Porsche back home. Still, he hired (well, maybe it was bought) a nice black 911 for the Euro season.


Aah, that's the one under the covers in "The Windsurfing Movie" in his garage? So that would have been one of the old super tail happy then suddenly turn on you ones. He would have liked that a lot... obviously enough to still have it.

CJW
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12 Aug 2008 11:16pm
Pretty sure the car in Naish's garage in TWSM is some old school american muscle car, like an old Vette. It's certainly not a Porsche, imo.
Bender
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12 Aug 2008 10:25pm
Any way back on topic

Seems Dunks is riding *boards
http://www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24252#post24252

Picture here with some discussion
www.boards.co.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21836&PN=1&TPN=2
Wood Duck
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12 Aug 2008 10:59pm
Hey AUS003 get your own picture!!!!!!!
jp747
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13 Aug 2008 10:00am
oh well i just want to see the oldie sailors winning again
Paul
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13 Aug 2008 11:45am
Bjorn's boards probably didn't arrive in Turkey in time to register?????

Albeau was a pryde team sailor from around 1994 onward. He was getting better every year towards the end of the nineties.
While he is an unbelievable sailor and the dominant sailor now, he was competing against Dunkerbeck when dunky was untouchable.
It has been ten years since Dunkerbeck retired from serious racing, so he is no where near as hungry or as well supported as in the nineties and probably not as motivated compared to then. But he is still hugely talented so anyone has to work hard to beat him but it is now very possible.

Dunkerbeck was also untouchable as he had the best gear with full support financially and gear-wise far in excess of the other sailors. (He would get first choice of the sails while the rest of the team got the leftover custom sails.) Towards the end of the nineties the gap was smaller as other sailors started getting more support - ie Kevin P and the team.
I believe the ability of other sailors to beat Bjorn now is also due to the gear limitations of having to register set gear and ride production stuff. This has made racing a bit more even so that talent starts to really show more than finance.
I believe that dunky in his prime on stock kit vs Albeau on stock kit would be great exciting racing as it is now but Dunky would be more dominant in his "machine" phase of the mid nineties.

In a time line Albeau is now where Bjorn was around '97 at a very high level after around 10 years of serious racing on the tour. It was a shame racing died for 4 or so years cause Prichard could of had a few years of winning before Albeau really took off.
Micah is today to Albeau what Anders was to Bjorn - very good but not quite good enough to win overall.

All my opinion of course and open for debate.
Squid Lips
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13 Aug 2008 12:40pm
evlPanda said...
Aah, that's the one under the covers in "The Windsurfing Movie" in his garage? So that would have been one of the old super tail happy then suddenly turn on you ones. He would have liked that a lot... obviously enough to still have it.



In some other video or something I taped off TV he shows off his Evans sports car, something like this I think, but yellow. I'd say that's what it is.






jp747
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13 Aug 2008 5:05pm
there both all-around sailors but i'd go for the 'machine' for his build was made for windsurfingnonetheless both don't really have freeriding abilities
evlPanda
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13 Aug 2008 8:59pm
CJW said...

Pretty sure the car in Naish's garage in TWSM is some old school american muscle car, like an old Vette. It's certainly not a Porsche, imo.


<nerd alert>

The first one under cover next to the digger when he opens the door and walks in is a wide body 930 turbo me thinks:




This is also shown from above for a second

Then there is a yellow Evans next to a jetski and a nice little board quiver.
Excellent toy collection.

</nerd alert>

... So Dunkerbeck is on Starboard, we've gone off topic?

You reckon it's risky signing up champs, like Kauli for example? I mean they are at the top of their game and can only stay the same or get worse since signing up with your company. If Kauli wasn't champ again this year would you perhaps link it to JP/NP?
CJW
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13 Aug 2008 9:26pm
Yeah upon reflection you're right. From there side view of the car i'd say 99% no way but when you see it from the top it'd definitely a Porsche.

/way off topic again :P
AUS003
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14 Aug 2008 12:19pm
Hey, getting back to original topic again, the latest update on the news section of the Thommen website seems to confirm (although it doesn't specifically spell it out) that Bjorn has indeed switched board manufacturers to Starboard.
Thats a pretty big change to make mid season, but no one can argue that he is performing much better than he has been lately in this event riding the Starboards.

Just to be clear i do not or ride or personally like Starboards
SeanAUS120
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14 Aug 2008 11:33pm
Bjorn has always ridden different brands for the bigger boards, as I believe the Thommens are struggling for speed in the bigger sizes (>125l etc). Not really anywhere to test lightwind slalom gear in Pozo!!

Last year in Turkey he registered an F2 XXL slalom board and its not suprising to see him on some Starboards this year, as they are the fastest boards this season I believe. I havent seen the gear list but I think you'll find he's on his Thommen small boards when (if) it gets windy in Alacati.

Looks like most of the races have been done on 10m's!
SeanAUS120
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14 Aug 2008 11:39pm
Some updated news...

Just spoke to some of the guys at the event right now. Bjorn has an IS111 and 133 registered. He's apparently "testing" the Starboards to see how they are going against his Thommens...because he wasnt happy with his straightline speed against Antoine at the previous PWA events in the Canaries last month...

Interesting. There's a news post on the Thommen website about it and they say they are not too happy about it. Starboard couldnt afford to have Bjorn, Antoine and Kevin on the payroll... so I wonder if Bjorn will ditch Thommen and just PAY for his starboards next season...
Reflex Films
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15 Aug 2008 11:32am
A bit of background to all of this..

crew laughed when the Starboard Go board first came out around 99 - they said - you'll never sell those - in fact some distributors refused to stock them.

result: The best selling board in the world today. And alot of stoked windsurfers!

And Start boards were also created out of this to make learning windsurfing easier than ever before - other manufacturers openly panned Starboard's policy of taking Low margins on Start boards to create a bigger windsurfing base - even if this was to their gain with some long run thinking.

The Go concept also ended up making designers think about width and drag

Result: A whole new school of wave boards that plane up super early, are loose as and rotate awesomely in the air - something i once thought would be impossible to achieve in a board over 70 litres. Every manufacturer now makes one of these - just about all of them panned these designs when they first arrived

The fish 95 is still a classic to this day!

Not to mention development of boards that plane in 5 knots - as a grom growing up in Singapore where madly pumping a board onto the plane in 8-12 knots was considered a windy day- i never imagined that planing would come to such a low windspeed - result - With lots of 6 - 10 knot days- those guys get sooo much planing water time these days.

And yet mags were running articles like - has windsurfing gone too wide?

At the same time as this was being developed the HYPERSONIC came along and redefined wind range. And created a cult of their own.
And from here flowed Isonics - which were panned for looking "funny" when they first came out - and look whats happening now... high profile Sailors paying for their own boards (this has been happening for some time with the Starboard Formulas) - because winning can be more important than a sponsors salary.

starboard were thinking about the next generation - they were the first company to develop range for kids - The Pro Kids range! Aggressively marketing the sport to the next generation. They have run Kids on their brochure cover for 2 years.

Result: Young groms throwing unimaginable moves - limited only by their imagination - meanwhile the older generation continues to "try and perfect their gybes" season after season..

Starboard have certainly had their fair share of critics over the years - but have in many many ways dragged a resistant sport and industry forwards

-Morale: Conservative me too thinking ,Adjusting widths and vees by millimeters yielded very limited results - while big bold experiments have redefined the sport.
swoosh
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17 Aug 2008 1:28pm
dunkerbeck won the event.
SeanAUS120
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17 Aug 2008 8:44pm
To throw some more wood on the fire...

Antoine's been with Starboard 3 seasons now. That's generally the term of a pro windsurfing contract... I know JP is looking for a guy to put the JP Slalom boards on the podium which Micah so far hasn't really delivered, and they have the cash to buy anyone...

I wonder if we'll see Antoine on JP in 2009 and Bjorn on Starboard ??!!

Ps. Word is that Bjorn's Starboard boards are all 2009 protos (You are allowed to sail them in the PWA as next year's boards are registered by the beginning of the current PWA season). I doubt they'd give away proto's to someone like Bjorn who could take them back to Thommen and copy the shapes ... I imagine he has them because they're waving a few dollar bills in front of his nose.
laff77
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17 Aug 2008 9:24pm
SeanAUS120 said...



I wonder if we'll see Antoine on JP in 2009 and Bjorn on Starboard ??!!



I think you may have hit the nail on the head there. Wouldn't be suprised to see Antione with JP next year, he is already on NP....
Haircut
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17 Aug 2008 11:12pm
and resistance is futile
The Windsurfing Shed
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18 Aug 2008 9:03pm
SeanAUS120 said...

To throw some more wood on the fire...

Antoine's been with Starboard 3 seasons now. That's generally the term of a pro windsurfing contract... I know JP is looking for a guy to put the JP Slalom boards on the podium which Micah so far hasn't really delivered, and they have the cash to buy anyone...

I wonder if we'll see Antoine on JP in 2009 and Bjorn on Starboard ??!!


A bit more wood... AA recently extended his contract with Starboard (Source: Wind Magazine Feb/March 2008 Issue) after being offered a very lucrative deal from another major brand!
wouterd
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19 Aug 2008 8:55pm
AUS003 said...

Just noticed Bjorn Dunkerbeck's registered and riding Starboard Isonic's in the latest PWA event in Alacati !
What's going on ? Can't he get hold of any Carbon Art's ?

Even if he would have been able to get hold of Carbon Art's, the PWA would not have allowed him to use them...
AUS003
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20 Aug 2008 11:54am
The comment about the Carbon Art's was purely in gest

I'm curious though. The Carbon Art's are registered by the ISAF as production boards. Would this enable their use in the PWA or is there some other criteria they need to meet to be eligible for use?
Gonewindsurfing247
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20 Aug 2008 1:37pm
Whats the big deal? Doesn't JP ride a Quattro?
wouterd
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AUS003 said...

The comment about the Carbon Art's was purely in gest

I'm curious though. The Carbon Art's are registered by the ISAF as production boards. Would this enable their use in the PWA or is there some other criteria they need to meet to be eligible for use?

Indeed, not very publicly known, but PWA also asks a registration fee (and only payable at the beginning of the season). CA (and also AHD for instance) didn't pay the fee (as they probably did not expect any PWA competitors this year), and are therefore not allowed to compete. Two Belgian guys (riding CA and AHD respectively normally) had to borrow F2 SX board to be able to compete in Alacati. They were only informed about this fact at the time of their subscription. Not sure if that list is publicly available either.
P.C_simpson
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20 Aug 2008 2:46pm
Gonewindsurfing247 said...

Whats the big deal? Doesn't JP ride a Quattro?


yes he does and so does a hell of alot of other sailors who are sposored by other brands, e.g Siver when he was on Starboard, would not be surprised if Kauli still gets Kieth to make his boards.. i've seen a few pro's riding custom boards with factory stickers, it happens in most sports..


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