Elmo Cracks 70 km/h!!!!!!!

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hardman
hardman
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8 Feb 2006 9:13am
Elmo on his new 6.2 RS-4 in 30 knots got a 2 sec GPS of 70.9 km/h, that's impressive!! Done on the Drag strip!

Well done Elmo!!!!

Are there any other speed freaks on this site or are we predominantly wave/freestyle/and recreational sailors??
Gestalt
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8 Feb 2006 12:19pm
i'd say most of the sailors in qld get right into speed which is funny considering the average wind speed.

on that note lately the wind has been epic. 3 weeks of 15-25knot SE winds. all day everyday. last night the gauges hit 45knots.

sinker
sinker
WA
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8 Feb 2006 1:17pm
Ok I'm impressed...

I thought my 5o+kmh effort in Cervantes on the freewave was pretty good....how the hell do you go 70???

vando
vando
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8 Feb 2006 8:30pm
Actually Gestalt winds not the prob here in QLD its finding flat water.I easily sail 3-4 times a week even more at times.
You only need 20-25 knots to crack 40+ knots max speeds.
Just need a great location like Sandy point.
Yer you might of noticed im a speed freak too.
There's a few more lurking around on this site.
ta Vando
ju_724
ju_724
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9 Feb 2006 7:26pm
kin el - elmo - you speed freak. don't suppose you've got any video footage??
elmo
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9 Feb 2006 7:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by ju_724

kin el - elmo - you speed freak. don't suppose you've got any video footage??



G'day Jullian

no, no vids, they only encourage more spectacular and regular prangs.

I was stunned when I saw 65kmh on gps even more stunned when I downloaded the data.

I wish I was able to maintain the speed rather than just have spikes.

After sailing at woodies on the weekend I was impressed what Peter Dans did on the same day (smoked me good and proper)

If you want to watch it done properly, catch a load of Chris, Steve, Dave and the rest of the Perth Lunatics

All the best

Alby
hardman
hardman
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10 Feb 2006 2:11pm
Sandy Point makes me cream my jeans, what a place! Used to sail it when I lived in Vic.

In Elmo's defence, it was a lot choppier on the 70km/h day than what you see in that video, making it much more difficult to go fast! I couldn't go quicker than 61km/h that day! Elmo was crankin, he will crack 40 knots! Just a natural speed freak he is, and takes risks I never would!
ju_724
ju_724
231 posts
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11 Feb 2006 12:27am
hmmm tide just needs to go out for about another hour for purfect SP.
Many effortless hours flying up n down there all day long - and you don't even get tired - bonus -
silvec01
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11 Feb 2006 4:46pm
Did you do it in Ford or Holden??
elmo
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11 Feb 2006 9:31pm
quote:
Originally posted by silvec01

Did you do it in Ford or Holden??



nothing that fancy (you know I drive a nissan)
mrrt
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12 Feb 2006 12:37am
Excuse my ignorance, but where is the drag strip? Are you talking about the flat water on the north side of Woodmans Point? Nice work hitting 70kph.

-Mart
elmo
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12 Feb 2006 1:14pm
It's a bit further south on mandurah estuary, it's a little shallow bay thats filled with weed and cobblers but can on occasions be relatively flat.

The weed encourages you to carry speed through gybes else you bogg down in it, the fear of stepping on cobblers helps you make the gybes.
mrrt
mrrt
WA
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14 Feb 2006 3:24pm
Sounds like lots of fun Elmo!! there again, I did slice my feet on sharp reef or rock or something at Woodies the other day, so why not add cobblers to the mix. ;-)

-Mart
aus005
aus005
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14 Feb 2006 9:11pm
hey guys
good speed elmo but what the f=== is a cobbler
decrepit
decrepit
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14 Feb 2006 6:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by aus005

what the f=== is a cobbler



Here we go again, East and West seperated by a common language!!!
It's a fish of course! Don't know what you call them over there, "catfish" maybe. It's got whiskery things about it's mouth, and very poisonous spines down it's back.
Mate of mine trod on one. Pain killers did nothing for it, profesional advice said hot water is the only means of relief. Put his foot in a tub of hot water, kept increasing the temperature, until the pain from the sting was the same as the pain from the hot water. Finished up with huge blisters over his foot.
mkseven
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15 Feb 2006 7:16am
They are called catfish eels over here, more of a pest fish people rarely eat them. They are annoying to catch because they leave slime everywhere. I'm pretty sure these work in a similar way to stingray's- they have a black membrane covering the spines which is packed with bacteria and it is this which you have to get out of the wound. I think that is the way it worked- anyone that has Grant's guide to fishes can confirm. After you clear the black stuff pain dissipates pretty quickly. Spines are very tough, mate stepped on one whilst drunk in NQ and spine went through his docs and through his foot.
ka43
ka43
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15 Feb 2006 4:14pm
Gidday guys, need help. i got myself a Garmin GPS and have just been using it to measure distance, speed etc. Now Im starting to get a bit more serious about going fast and would like to be a bit more literate/kook with it.
Could someone please tell me in laymans terms what cable and software i need to down load to PC. Maybe even lob onto this GPS-windsurfing thing all the hotshots are into.
Thanks
yoyo
yoyo
WA
1646 posts
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15 Feb 2006 3:27pm
Go to gps-speedsurfing.com for all info

For analysis you need to download gpsactionreplay (free) which needs java to run. Cable depends on the model of gps you have.. tell more
yoyo
yoyo
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15 Feb 2006 4:30pm
KA43. It sounds like you don’t have a foretrex 201 as it comes with a cable. This is probably the “most used” gps unit for windsurfing. If you have a foretrex 101 or a Geko 201 (geko 101 is no good for recording) you can buy a garmin cable for 20-30 bucks or make your own for about 5, but it is tricky for the geko as it needs a weird plug. If you have another model garmin it may not be possible to save your tracks in the required format. You need to be able to change your track record setting to something other than automatic. The usual setting is “2 second” recording intervals. Go to “tracks” and then “setup” on the gps menu. Once you have the right gps , set up correctly and the right cable. You need to download G7toWin. Then when you save the tracks from your gps you must save them in .gpx format. This step has been superceded somewhat by the latest versions of gpsar but it is handy to have for transferring the raw data in your gps to your computer and I find it good for checking spikes etc. Most people use gpsactionreplay (gpsar) for comparing results and this requires java runtime (sun systems) to be loaded. Another option is “gps-results”, it is windows based and I believe more accurate and can be downloaded for a free 30 day trial at www.gps-speed.com

chow
yoyo
yoyo
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15 Feb 2006 4:37pm
not sure why this computer changed some of the charactures but.. the usual setting interval is "2 second" . If your gps has 10,000 tracklog storage you should get about 51/2 hours time. If your gps has less you may want to set it on distance (say 50 feet).
elmo
elmo
WA
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15 Feb 2006 7:13pm
KA,

Heres a touch of info for you.


GPS Speed sailing Site
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx

About the GPS speed sailing site
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx/gps.asp?mnu=faq

GPS Unit Info
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx/gps.asp?mnu=faq&smnu=gps&val=&uid=
Myself I use The "Garmin Geko 201" for 2 main reasons, Firstly I prang regularly, the Foretrex has been known to be ripped of arms on occasion, secondly it takes AAA batteries (I buy Bulk 30 packs for Dick smith for $16 lasts months even with my mate forever in them).
You will also need a Data cable so you can down load to your computer, this can be bought through GPS agent. Unfortunately the cable is a 9 pin RS-232 plug to connect to your computer (found at Back painfully for regular use) I would also recommends going to a computer components supplier and getting a USB-RS232 converter cable (Approx $40)

I have a "Dry Pack" which I got from Main Peak (I Think) in Cottesloe, I normally loop the strap around my neck and poke the pack down the front of my wet suit, it doesn't interfere with the GPS and keeps it safe of any unplanned flights and water impacts.

Software
The best part of it all it's done by windsurfers and it's free!
All details here
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx/gps.asp?mnu=faq&smnu=software&val=&uid=

For downloading from GPS
G7ToWin
www.gpsinformation.org/ronh/


For Analyzing Data
GSPar
users.info.unicaen.fr/~mathet/gpsar/
You may also have to download some JAVA script to make it work the links are there

This is the process for analysing the data

1. Use G7toWin to download the data from GPS (can't get GSPAR to download)
2. Save original files as RAW in both TXT and GPX format. (Save them in an Individual folder for that day)
3. Open *****raw.txt using Notepad and delete any new track points so as to end up with the one run file.
4. Save as ****edit.txt
5. Using G7toWin again (making sure to clear any existing runs from it's memory) open the *****edit.txt file and the save as *****edit.gpx
6. Open *****edit.gpx with GSPAR
7. Rename trajectory
8. Open File/Track Points Data Table
9. From "Track points List" (TPL) data page click on the "kmh" column to bring the highest reading to the top.
10. High light obvious spike (one at at time) then click back to GSPAR press "Shift & Delete" which removes offending point.
11. Repeat steps 9 & 10 as necessary untill speed are closer to normal list speeds.
12. When obvious spike are removed the only variance is that the point is identified and noted (say line 1256) then I click onto the "N?" column which puts all the trackpoints back in order find the point of concern and check the speeds either side of it. if a spike then it gets deleted.
13. Once the data has been cleaned of spikes then "Save"
14. Then in GSPAR Virtualrun&Statistics/Compute Speed Statistics.
15. On the Stats page enter notes of gear and cond for later ref and save as HTML.


Alby
ka43
ka43
NSW
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16 Feb 2006 10:40am
Hey yoyo, thanks for the advice. I have a Garmin Foretrex 101 which i got on e-bay. I got this model because Im hopeless at remembering to recharge my mobile let alone batteries. I just keep a bunch of AAA's in the car.
Do you think Tandy or Dick Smith would have the cable?
I was going to ask you about track settings. I can change it from automatic I think. Ill have a look this arvo.
Elmo, what can i say?? Thanks heaps for that. I shall attempt to wade my way thru all that info. I have a thing about going over the handlebars so I use the extra velcro strap that came with it and have it double done up just short of my elbow, makes it easier to read as well. A mate of mine has the 101 and he said sometimes het gets a little moisture in the battery case but so far mine has been cool.
Im still a learner with all this and sometimes I get blocked trying to down load some things at work.
On a bit more of a sailing thing I got 29 knots on a freeride board with a wave fin and Gaastra Grind 6.2 that is 6 years old and been thru the rinse cycle quite a bit. At Botany in Sydney last Sunday. Ive got some race sails coming and a new slalom board so hopefully can get going a bit quicker.
Thanks all for the help. Ill let you know how I get on.
Cheers
Grant
mkseven
mkseven
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16 Feb 2006 10:15am
KA43, go now and get an aquapac for it before it dies. Garmin withdrew their recommendation for the unprotected use of the foretrex for windsurfing. I'm on my second unit, vando will be on his second soon. Having got it through ebay I am uncertain as to what sort of replacement proceedure you go through.

Both vando and I use the walkie talkie aquapac it comes with an arm band, I tape mine up a little more compact- vando dosent care. Cost is $50 but is worth it not having to be without the gps all the time. You will probably have to go to gps store to get a cable.
yoyo
yoyo
WA
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16 Feb 2006 4:34pm
Ok, now we know what we a talking about. The 101 is a bit different from the 201. Main issues. CORROSION! Hopefully you have not had your gps long. The 201 has gold plated terminals, the 101 who knows, but as the rubber plug is useless for bloking water ingress into the data jack hole after about 2-3 uses or 1-2 weeks if you shine a torch into the small hole you will see it it almost full of green/white corroded gunk. Your gps will loose its ability to transfer data shortly after. Hopefully we got it early enough. Use a match to put some vaseline or other gell like lubricant into the hole then make a thin strip of duct tape (~7mmx50mm) which you can run up the side of the unit and over the plug, holding the plug in the hole against it's natural tendance to spring out.
Now go buy something water tight to put it in. Remember even aquapacks are not indestructable and can develop leaks. Most camping shops have triple sealed plastic bags. I've been using some $7.50 ones (which were on sale for $2.50) which I put around my neck under the wetsuit. As Alby says it still picks up signals though not as well, especially if your wetsuit is wet and is a bit more inconvenient but not as much as you'd think. Most people stop to look at the speed or set the max speed function. Pros, you never have to worry about losing it in a stack.. cons, you seem to get a few more spikes, probably as some of the gps satelites signals are blocked by the body and the gps changes it averaging as a result.
Cable? You can get all the parts at Dick Smith or another electrical parts shop. Can you solder? 2.5mm stereo data jack ~$1.50, 1.5m mouse cable ~$1.50 and a 9pin D plug for the computer end ~$1.50. There is one problem. The plastic surround on the 2.5mm data jack plugs sold at Dick Smith is quite thick and the garmin 101 has the data jack hole recessed into the casing of the unit. You guessed it , unless you trim the plastic casing of the 2.5mm stereo jack with a pen knife it wont fit into the recess on the gps. I couldn't find a stereo jack here with a smaller casing tho' they are made. I'll have to hunt arround for the wiring diagram but it will give you time to get the parts. The advantage of the home made way is you can make the cable quite long. The standard garmin cable is quite short as well as expensive.
Setting up the gps is easy. After turning it on just go thru' the pages till you get to the one with waypoints, tracks, routes, setup. Scroll down one to tracks, hit enter, scroll down to setup track, hit enter, scroll down to record interval, hit enter. If it is on auto then scroll up to time, hit enter. Then scroll to value , hit enter then use the up and down arrows to change it untill you have 00.02 , then hit OK.
Now you are all set.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
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16 Feb 2006 6:42pm
Forgot about the corrosion in plug problem, I had it my first 101. The second one I didnt use till I got the aquapac and I taped the rubber bit shut anyway. If you are really pedantic yeah wrap it in plastic bag then put it in the aquapac, I use the walkie talkie case (on my arm) cause it has handy features for racing also.
yoyo
yoyo
WA
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17 Feb 2006 12:27am
KA43, just to follow up here is the wiring info..

1) Connector into the Garmin unit is a 0.097" (2.5mm) 3 conductor (stereo) plug.

2) Other connector is a 9 pin female Dsub (PC serial style).

3) Wiring is
Tip of plug to pin 2 of Dsub
Ring (middle contact) to pin 3 of Dsub
Sleeve (last contact on plug) to pin 5 of Dsub

Suggest using shielded cable with shield attached to metal shell of Dsub.
ka43
ka43
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17 Feb 2006 10:32am
ok boys, Im getting the picture.
First off I played around with it last night and set it to the suggested 2 second time. Tell me, why 2 second gap??
Secondly, about the data jack hole. Its clear so far and i have been using it every time Ive sailed since start of january, approx 15 sessions. I will do as you suggest with vaso and tape. Garmin dont tell you these things beforehand hey!!!!
i got onto a mob called Johnny Appleseed here in Sydney and the cable is a serial PC interface one for the Foretrex and Forerunner 101 and 201. $27 though, but thats OK.
I will do some running around and check out Aquapacs etc. In one of the American mags one guys has his in an Aquapac taped to his mast just below the boom. I think Id rather have it on me.
Im glad I found out all this before our Maui trip this July.
Thanks again fellas.
elmo
elmo
WA
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17 Feb 2006 10:42am
I Just tuck my aqua pack down the front of my wetsuit through neck, it has faily easy access and is not uncomfortable.

Hardy runs with his GPS on his boom, myself I would rather look at where I'm going.

One other benifit of GPS is that when you stack it you can see exactly how fast you were going at the time, and how far you have been catapulted (thats scary) so you can give your mates some accurate details about how spectacular your stack was

Alby
Carlos
Carlos
WA
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17 Feb 2006 12:28pm
Elmo,

When I first used a GPS some 3 years ago. I used a similar arrangement (GPS down the wetsuit), but when I got a reading of 86km/h on the Safety Bay weed bank, I made the conclusion that results from having the GPS inside the wetsuit can not be trusted.

The GPS unit must be in clear view of the sky. Just strap it to your arm.

Sorry for the bad news.

Cheers
Carlos

yoyo
yoyo
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17 Feb 2006 2:54pm
Carlos, you obviously don't look at the tracks on a computer. It is pretty easy to pick out the anomalous points. If you don't drop your jibes the spikes are pretty rare even with the gps stuffed down you wetsuit. But you are right it does get a better view on your arm. generally I get no spikes on the arm but only a couple down the wetsuit...
elmo
elmo
WA
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17 Feb 2006 8:48pm
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos

Elmo,

When I first used a GPS some 3 years ago. I used a similar arrangement (GPS down the wetsuit), but when I got a reading of 86km/h on the Safety Bay weed bank, I made the conclusion that results from having the GPS inside the wetsuit can not be trusted.

The GPS unit must be in clear view of the sky. Just strap it to your arm.

Sorry for the bad news.

Cheers
Carlos





G'day Carlos

As I have a Geko 201 I have to carry it in a dry pack, only time I have a problem with spikes is when I go for a swim (unfortunately all to regularly).

I deliberately didn't choose the Foretrex as I still crash regularly and have heard reports of them coming of.

All in all the spikes aren't to much of a problem to delete within GPSar now that I have my methodology sorted.

The best spike I have achieved was around 2300kmh (pretty damn good aren't I ??)

Any way thats my reasoning for bunging it down my wetty front.

all the best

Alby
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