Extensions - when enough just isn't enough

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ejmack
ejmack
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15 Aug 2007 7:26pm
Hi all,

Just how much extension should be in the mast? I'm using a sail with a luff of 494cm, a 460 rdm mast and a extension that goes up to 34cm. I'm left with approx. 13cm of extension in the mast, is that enough? I'm worried there might be enough extension to support the mast properly. Anyone's thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Cheers
jord070
jord070
WA
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15 Aug 2007 5:40pm
for a luff like that your would need a 40cm extention, or there abouts, i would say u have no where neer enouph
frant
frant
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1230 posts
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15 Aug 2007 8:28pm
I would have thought that if you use an extension as supplied by the manufacturer and without modification then it should be OK. I think maybe the manufacturer would have thought about how much should be left in the mast at full extension which typically is about 100mm.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
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15 Aug 2007 7:02pm
should be OK if it's a nice neat fit in the mast. The sloppier the fit the more likely to split the mast.
Saying that I'm not sure how happy I'd feel using one of those cranks to downhaul a stiff sail.
Zubby
Zubby
SA
896 posts
SA, 896 posts
15 Aug 2007 9:46pm
Hello Ejmack

Most mast companies recommend that you have at least 6" (15cm) of extension inserted into the base of the mast and the fit is snug.

It sounds like you are right on the limit, I would be very careful as the mast could break due to point loading.

I hope this helps

Darren
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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15 Aug 2007 8:38pm
Disagree... a little. If your extension at its longest setting has 13cm "up the mast" then I think that is fine if it is a good fit.

As for needing 34cm extension according to the sail manufacturer and having an extension that goes up to 34cm according to the extension manufacturer.... prolly not good enough. I have always found that you need about 3-6cm more extension due to the fact that you cannot pull the tack pulley (the downhaul bit on the sail) all the way to touching the extension pulleys.... and also the fact that their measurements can be a bit crook.

Some extensions are better than others in that regard: my cheapo needed about 6cm more and my Chinook is much better, maybe about 3cm more.

Also remember that too long an extension is bad as on your smallest sails you may have 35-40cm of ally pipe up the mast which will change it's bend curve. I now have a short one I use for 'no extension' and my long one is used for 10cm - 40cm. Partly cos I've got too many sails
ejmack
ejmack
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15 Aug 2007 11:35pm
Mmmm, all very interesting. Sounds like I'm going to be needing a longer extension, better to be safe than sorry. The fit itself is pretty snug, a minute amount of jiggle, but personally I'd feel better if more extension was in the mast, but I tend to worry about these things too much sometimes.

I appreciate all the replies, it's helped a lot.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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15 Aug 2007 9:44pm
better buy another extension and have piece of mind, than not and having to buy an new mast!
And now if it really goes ballistic you can over downhaul it
elmo
elmo
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15 Aug 2007 10:10pm
Ditch the Skinny buy a proper mast which takes a decent extension
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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15 Aug 2007 10:17pm
Skinnies are good: standard waterpipe and BSP fittings work .... bit heavy though

ejmack
ejmack
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16 Aug 2007 9:04am
quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

better buy another extension and have piece of mind, than not and having to buy an new mast!
And now if it really goes ballistic you can over downhaul it



Yep, I agree.

So Chinook are pretty good? Is there any special need to go carbon once the longer extensions are needed?

Thanks again everyone (minus elmo, that wasn't very helpful, haha..)
Gybesports
Gybesports
NSW
193 posts
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16 Aug 2007 10:08am
If weight is a consideration go Carbon, what type of base are you using? Euro pin or double pin cup? If you use something like the fiberspar or the Chinook then you should be able to get the pulley to within 1cm of the base provided you thread it right. I have seen many sailors with the downhaul all twisted at the bottom because it is not threaded right.
Does your sail have the tack pulleys, paralel with the foot of the sail or at right angles? this makes a big difference to how you thread the pulleys!!

David
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
16 Aug 2007 2:34pm
According to your numbers you have a 47 cm extension. That's about as long as they come isn't it? You can crib a bit more out of it with a tip extension. A 25 mm tip extension is little more than a spacer.
ejmack
ejmack
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16 Aug 2007 10:04pm
NotWal - No, it's actually a 34cm extension

http://www.neilpryde.com/matrix/technology/2008-mxt-extension-base-system.html

The X-Combat MXT34. As can be seen in the RDM extensions right at the bottom of the page, with it set at 34 cm there is very little extension remaining. I keep thinking they wouldn't make it as such if it wasn't safe to use at that setting. Still seems to be too little IMO.

Gybesports - Yeah, a tack pulley, parallel with the foot. I'm pretty particular with my rigging and the lines are nicely threaded as per the instructions from the sail manufacturer and not twisted at all. My base is actually the newer MXT mast base so I guess my choice of extensions is limited short of buying a new base. I'm not concerned with the weight of the extension so much but it seems most over 40cm in the skinny range are made of carbon anyway, I assume for strength.



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