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nebbian
nebbian
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16 Nov 2005 8:25pm
Today I managed to achieve the almost impossible -- waterstarting! Man it's tricky. To add to the skill factor, I was at Cabarita in a southerly, which means that although the trees around the lake were bending over, the wind around "the hole" was spotty at best.

Anyway, after about 5 hours on the water I had one successful waterstart in water that was deeper than I could touch the bottom. I had about 15 waterstarts further out where the wind was better, and I would tuck my legs up underneath me and pretend that I was in deep water, but I usually cheated a bit and used one leg to arrest my forward movement slightly...

The one successful time in deep water I somehow ended up with the sail in the air, both feet on the board with my bum in the water, then sheeted in, pulled the board underneath me with my rear leg and OFF I WENT!! Most of the other times resulted in either the wind dying, or the sail up in the air while I pedalled like fury to try to get one leg on the board while the sail did it's best to make me body drag behind the board and rig.

Do people usually get the sail almost vertical before putting a leg on the board? Every time I tried this the board would take off and the force of the water on my legs meant that it was almost impossible to get a foot onto the board. If I put a foot on the board before getting the sail up then the board would instantly point into the wind and I would blow bubbles.

My training DVD makes it look so easy, just throw the sail in the air, put your rear foot on the board and levitate up, let me tell you I find it bl**dy difficult.

What's the train like for a beginner like me in a southerly? If I can't manage a waterstart, will I eventually drift to somewhere where I can put a foot on the bottom? I'd really like to try the train but I'm a bit hesitant if I'm going to be in deep water for hours before drifting to a sandbank...

Thanks for any info,
Ben
Bladez
Bladez
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16 Nov 2005 11:56pm
nice work.

I was out practicing my waterstarts today too and I was wondering how you manage to control the sail after you've flown it but before you put a foot on. If I sheet in I end up being pulled over the board and if I sheet out the sails falls on me. Are you meant to alternate between sheeting in and out or some other technique?
decrepit
decrepit
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16 Nov 2005 10:06pm
Originally posted by nebbian

Today I managed to achieve the almost impossible


well done congrats!!


Do people usually get the sail almost vertical before putting a leg on the board?


No! fly sail just over horizontal, get foot on board, then start to raise sail, you need foot on board to control it's direction, and pull it underneath you.
When you get good you can just throw the sail up into a decent wind, and get launched out of the water and land on the board with both feet, but wait a month or so before trying this.


If I put a foot on the board before getting the sail up then the board would instantly point into the wind and I would blow bubbles.


This is what you need to practice, controling board direction with your foot, sounds like you are pushing with your foot instead of pulling. Believe me this is the key to waterstarting, once you can control board direction, and have good sail control, there's nothing stopping you.


My training DVD makes it look so easy, just throw the sail in the air, put your rear foot on the board and levitate up, let me tell you I find it bl**dy difficult.


This doesn't sound like the easiest waterstart for a beginer to me, can't say I watch closely how my mates do it, but I think most of them have got their foot on the board before pushing the sail all the way up.

Bladz

are you meant to alternate between sheeting in and out or some other technique?


when you get good sail control it comes naturally, something you can try, is on the beach, dig a hole for the fin, point board across the wind, sit on ground beside foot straps, fly sail and gently ease on the power to pull you up, (without cheating and pushing up with your legs, if you do that in water, you push the board into the wind).
So it's a subtle thing like riding a bike, it's all done by auto reflexes, and you don't have to think about it, just comes with practise.
junior freestyle
junior freestyle
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17 Nov 2005 10:13am
yer waterstarting is quite difficult when you are starting try and stay away from tide aswell, somthimes the leech gets pulled the wrong way and it aint fun.

and the train is a great place to practice because there are so many people wanting to help the beginners inc me. there is not much tide there, u know when it is flowing but nothing major like getting pulled out the seaway.

come and join one windy day

JF

RAL INN
RAL INN
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17 Nov 2005 11:08am
Go Girl,

keep your chin tucked in, and aim to get mast vertical in order to force mast to go thru board. Think of a tube thru board that mast will slide thru if you pull it straight thru.

this action will get you up onto board in lighter winds.

best winds
Tony L
hardman
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17 Nov 2005 10:13am
WELL DONE!!

Listen to Decrepit!!!!!!
ducati
ducati
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17 Nov 2005 9:49pm
AAAAHHHHHHHHHH almost like yer first r**t
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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17 Nov 2005 11:01pm
Duke: yeah but this time I knew when I was successful...

Thanks to all for the replies especially decrepit, JF I might try the train on the next big wind. Would be so nice to see another windsurfer 'out there' for once, they're like the loch ness monster as far as I'm concerned. Everyone knows about em but no-one's seen em...

That video of gnaraloo wipeout showed some guy waterstarting, I couldn't believe how quickly he managed it, even did it a couple of times until the poor bugger ran out of puff after the fourth monster wave hit him... I've done the same thing in waves about a quarter the size of those ones, and uphauled each time, got smashed until I was in shallow water. ouch

Been practicing in my head as to what went wrong, I reckon with a steadier wind I might have managed it more often but hey at least I know it's vaguely possible...
Windgat
Windgat
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18 Nov 2005 1:31pm
A handy tip: When the wind is not quite strong enough to lift you up, slip you hand off the boom onto the mast midway between the mast foot and the boom. This give you extra leverage, allowing you to learn in lighter wind. When desperate you can slip your other hand from the boom as well and grab the foot of the sail, this provides even more leverage.
nebbian
nebbian
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27 Nov 2005 4:24pm
Finally nailed it today.

The secret for me seems to be to recite the following words over and over again as you get the sail out of the water:
"Waterstarting is just a controlled catapult".
So I start a catapult with one leg on the board, pull the board under me then sheet out when the mast gets over vertical... Bingo I'm up!!!

After a dozen successful deep water starts I plucked up the courage to blast across the water at the train, made it to the other side then skated back. Man that's pure joy right there

Many thanks to Junior Freeride for giving me some tips on the water today, and apologies to the good windsurfers at the train for being a navigational hazard right near the starting/finishing beach. You'll be glad to know that now I'm a moving navigational hazard!! errr...
decrepit
decrepit
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27 Nov 2005 7:17pm
quote:
Originally posted by nebbian


"Waterstarting is just a controlled catapult".




Fantastic nebian, well done, and what a great mantra.
All you need now, is to be able to invoke it at the start of a real catapult, and instantly regain control.
I've payed more attention to my waterstarts the last couple of sessions, and I certainly fly the sail before putting feet on the board, can also control board direction, just with the sail, but it's fairly horizontal, just flying enough to support it's own weight. If the wind is a bit light my foot goes on the board before pushing the sail vertical. But if the wind is strong enough, I can throw the sail in the air, it pulls me out of the water, and I just land on the board near the straps.
nebbian
nebbian
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27 Nov 2005 7:41pm
quote:
But if the wind is strong enough, I can throw the sail in the air, it pulls me out of the water, and I just land on the board near the straps.



Thanks mate, it's good to know that there's another way to skin the cat... although today I was thinking of your original post on throwing the sail up then jumping on, stuffed if I can figure out the fine control needed to do it though!! When I try it like that my legs dangle upwind and I can't get them to the board as it's racing downwind being pushed by the sail. If I take them out of the water to get to the board it just all turns into a big nasty catapult (an uncontrolled one this time!) and I start again. It's enough for me at the moment just to be able to get going when I'm out of my depth, had to do it a couple of times today when the chop threw me. I was glad of the mast bra I'm running, I got catapulted pretty hard

I do have a question though: How do you change the sail tack in the water? At the moment I almost waterstart but let go the sail and it flies over the board onto the other side. Then I swim it around to the waterstart position and get it out of the water again. I'm sure there's a very tricky/cool way of flipping the sail in the water but can't figure it out yet. Any ideas?
decrepit
decrepit
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27 Nov 2005 8:29pm
Sorry nebian not quite sure what you mean, I think you mean, every things facing the wrong way, you want to go in the opposite direction. I approach this 2 different ways,
1 just waterstart and gybe, (isn't that your next goal, learning to gybe? a good oppotunity to practise)
2 gybe the rig then waterstart, fly the sail, and guide the board around downwind hang on to the mast as it goes thru the wind, then grab the boom on the otherside, this is hard if there's lots of wind, it's easy for the sail to get too much power and get ripped out of your hands.

Yes leave the fancy waterstarts until you're more confident.
mkseven
mkseven
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27 Nov 2005 11:35pm
Nebbian, the way you launch the sail is dependant upon the situation there is no this way is best for everything. To get it back once sail is on other side you do a sort of in water gybe as decrepit said, sometimes its better to swim especially if you need to clear the sail from the water and another way is to uphaul the sail but fall back catching the sail in water start position and go (quicker than uphauling when you get good).

Tip on handling the sail: the easiest way is actually at the mast tip, if your sail is sunk go for the tip. If your sail is in the water past the luff panel and you are going to flip it by the clew dont, go to the tip clear it of the water and flip otherwise it will sink making it harder.
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