Freeride fin for wave board!

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bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
15 Jan 2007 12:00am
Hi everyone,

I currently have a 100L Naish wave board which i really like but doesn't go up wind as easily as i would like and is prone to sliding out underneith me a little. If i was to buy about a 30cm freeride fin for it, would it perform better than it is now in little chop? I don't want to be sliding around as much as i do, and i also want to head up wind better.

And also would it help get on the plain earlier and expand the conditions my board could go out in (lighter winds?)?

cheers
bubs
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
15 Jan 2007 12:33am
a bigger fin will definatly provide better lift, there for increasing your chances of gettin on the plain earlier, but it can somtimes make you work harder to get on to the plain, and if you get a fin with a bigger surface area it will make it easier to go up wind, but it wont realy make it any better in light winds
mathew
mathew
QLD
2174 posts
QLD, 2174 posts
15 Jan 2007 10:07am
I use a 37cm fin on an 85 litre board, when I'm sailing with a 7m. I disagree with Jord - it will be better in light winds, as you will be able to push harder on the fin when the wind is lighter - it will mostly stop spinout and allow you to go upwind. (thats why race board have 70cm fins).

You will however need to change down your fin size when the wind picks up, ie: the lift of the fin is proportional to the speed, strong wind means that you go faster so you need less fin to make the board controllable.
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
15 Jan 2007 1:06pm
Ok well if it would help, is it possible to get freeride fins in a US box or A box?
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
15 Jan 2007 1:45pm
bubs,

you might want to be careful when it comes to loading up a US box with a big freeride fin, the loads can be too much.

You used to be able to get free-ride fins in US box, before powerbox/trim box was invented. There should be some around, I just assume they won't be huge!

Cheers
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
15 Jan 2007 2:09pm
I'm just thinking that the small wave fin that came with the board is to small meaning i can't go up wind or plane that early. If i was able to get a 25 to 35cm freeride fin i thought that might help?

Is the US box not as strong as say a power, tuttle or trim box?

Cheers
Bubs

P.S: When you say they won't be big, about how big do you think?
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
15 Jan 2007 3:50pm
I wouldn't go bigger than 35cm's as the bolt doesn't go through the deck. The sideways forces used to loosen the whole box.

kitingkook
kitingkook
NSW
109 posts
NSW, 109 posts
15 Jan 2007 8:53pm
Get a fin which is more upright and stiffer. You can get one a little bit longer but anything much over 30cm on a 100ltr wave board is going to pose more problems as soon as the wind increases a fraction, especially if you sail in waves.

Formula sailors will often carry two fins of 70cm one being very flexy and the other being very stiff, stiffer fins give more lift but less control. Upright fins give more lift but also less control.

Keep this in mind when selecting your new fin, dont just get the biggest thing you can fit in your board.

Using a 37cm fin with a 7m sail on a 85ltr wave board is nuts i cant see how this could help with anything? What are you doing mathew. Why dont you get a set up which will work?
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
15 Jan 2007 8:50pm
I don't sail in waves at the moment, but i'm just finding that with the small wave fin, the conditions i can take this board out are very limited. Even when i do go out in big winds the board can slide out from under neith me quite often.

This is why i thought i freeride fin would help but i was trying to find out what would be the best size and if it was possible to get freeride fins in a US box.

In about 10 to 15 knots i wouldn't go any bigger than a 6.0 at this point if that helps at all.

cheers
bubs

Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
15 Jan 2007 9:13pm
bubs MFC make freeride fins in US base, i agree with the others that anything more than 30cm may be too much for the fin box.

your other option would be a freestyle type fin. although not as deep they have a bigger surface area and a more upright leading edge.

ultimately what you are not happy with is the result of sailing a wave board on flat water. wave boards on flat water can be boring. they are slow, don't plane early, can't go upwind as well as a freeride or slalom board and tend to be skatey (ie. they don't track as well as slalom gear).

it could also be technique too... some of the wave guys may be able to give more help but some wave boards require more front foot pressure to go upwind and get them planing early.

also give the guys at windshack a call and talk to them, they will be able to offer you excellent advice and put you in touch with local retailers that sell mfc fins. i have spoken with them before regards fins. they were very helpfull and friendly.

if you were in the surf i am sure that all of these things would become positives as what you describe is what most wave boards are like.
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
15 Jan 2007 10:17pm
I actually love the board, and can get it up wind relatively easily. I find it quite a lot of fun as it jumps around a bit more and has soft rails, therefore making it easier for me to learn to gybe.

When i perfect deepwater starting and get better at gybing i would love to go out in the waves, but until then i was just going to do some research to see if a freeride fin would help my boards performance for what i am using it for at the moment.

cheers
bubs
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
15 Jan 2007 8:54pm
I'm sure it will improve the upwind performance and early planning.
The question is how much, will it be worth the effort?
Can you borrow one to find out?
So what size wave fin is there now?
And how flexi is it.
Some wave fins are not only small but very flexi, so a bigger and stiffer fin will make a lot of difference.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
15 Jan 2007 10:49pm
We have a few fins you can borrow next time we are down goolwa way, look for Kym and myself in the old l series subbie wagon and the screaming 4 year old!

We should be down that way on Sunday.

We should catch up soon anyway!
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
SA, 924 posts
16 Jan 2007 12:00am
Were you down there at all in the past two weeks. If so, it was usually my brother, dad and i, in a loaded up, duel cab, white ford ute. Were the ones who had a old Tiga 285 blow off our roof racks unfortunatly.

Is there going to be any wind much in the next week or so? Are all your fins US box?

bubs
mathew
mathew
QLD
2174 posts
QLD, 2174 posts
16 Jan 2007 10:02am
quote:
Originally posted by kitingkook
Using a 37cm fin with a 7m sail on a 85ltr wave board is nuts i cant see how this could help with anything? What are you doing mathew. Why dont you get a set up which will work?



It does work - thats the point - it works in the 10-13 knot range. It doesn't work in the waves (but then you never use 7m in waves), but I can easily do 6 foot boosts. As soon as the wind picks up, I drop sail and fin size. I also change the type of fin, from slalom/stiff to wave/flexi.
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