Freestyle conditions

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ezzy-friend
ezzy-friend
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5 posts
22 May 2006 3:55pm
Guys, I need your advice.
As I understand WA (and Lancelin) has perfect conditions for waveriding
but what about freestyle spots? I mean flatwater

Is Lancelin suitable?
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
22 May 2006 6:40pm
Ezzy-friend, Lancerlin inside the reef is usually OK, bit of seaweed about but OK . Safety Bay also OK and probabaly the better of the two places for what you are asking for.

Rivers not too bad, winds can be gusty at times, some dont like the river, but dont let that turn you off.Plenty of sites, Melville, Pelli Point and so on.

Mineral
ezzy-friend
ezzy-friend
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5 posts
22 May 2006 7:17pm
thanks, bro!
sounds good
leepasty
leepasty
424 posts
424 posts
26 May 2006 9:36am
hey. there are loads of great spots for freestyle, just not many freestylers in wa for some reason. going to be trying to push some freestyle next season with a few clinics from the top guys from europe and hopefully a comp if we can get enough interest.
hope to see you around.
lee
pelican point windsports
ezzy-friend
ezzy-friend
5 posts
5 posts
26 May 2006 12:55pm
one more question, Lee
U are talking about "some reasons"...
What do u mean? What to do if no swell and light wind (5.5+ sails)? :) Or such conditions are not usual for WA?
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
26 May 2006 6:09pm
Yes! I'm keen! been trying some freestyle moves but only once I saw others freestyling on the river when i was there (applecross), its good to have others around to look out for and ask about the techniques. Woodie's would be great, the water is sooooo flat... great way to piss the kiters off too hehe !!!
Keep us updated leepasty
leepasty
leepasty
424 posts
424 posts
27 May 2006 10:02am
not sure the reasons people don,t want to freestyle seems to be they like to call themselves wave sailors even though theres not much waves in the summer and freestyle is more fun the more people are doing it. a few of us (mostly english and euros) do it at peli point, (whenever its good and im not teaching) and will be trying to get more people into it there next season. keep your eyes out.
lee
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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WA, 12885 posts
27 May 2006 4:14pm
Can only speak personally, but as a surfer from the 60's "functional school" Doing "tricks" goes against the grain.
Tricks on boards was where surfing was at up to about 66, you know spinners, handstands, riding backwards, all sorts of things to show how clever you were but detracted from control on the wave.
George Greenhough, Bob Mactavish, Nat Young and crew, started the Aussie tradition of performance wave riding, as opposed to board tricks.
So although there might not be many waves around, I'm still not inclined to do non functional manoeuvres. Just a mind set I guess, if you haven't been a surfer, you probably wont have it.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14967 posts
QLD, 14967 posts
27 May 2006 6:28pm
freestyle is the post modernists persuit.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
27 May 2006 7:00pm
and of course morality is definitly involved though some times clearly not debated to it's full extent!
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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WA, 12885 posts
27 May 2006 5:17pm
Hmm, the morals of tricks. A new university study???
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
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QLD, 14967 posts
27 May 2006 8:37pm
does doing tricks comment on a users morality?

If a user executes a trick, does that mean he or she has signed up to a course of postmodernist consumerism. certainly the knowledge and skill set required to achieve these tricks has been fragmented into the global market place allowing each user to experience his/her own outcomes, but does that itself make moral judgments of the persons political or social ideologies.

the recent globalisation of windsurfing as a whole would suggest that modernist design concepts of wide boards and twist top sails have enabled the postmodernist windsurfer to flurish.

traditional paradigms such as speed and wave have been questioned. will freestyle become the bastion of postmodernist windsurfing, with it's pop art graphics and neo-romantic experiences.

It is after all a re-appraisal of existing moves and an artistically aesthic movement. if it is a postmodernist pursuit then it also has positive moral benefits. the rejection of capitalism, a bluring of the line between highbrow and lowbrow and the disection and questioning of all that has happened previously.

until freeatyle itself has had time to mature we will not know. it may in fact be a clever facade, constructed by the capitalist beast. taking advantage of our postmodern lifestyles and hurredly working on the next morsal to promote on the menu.

as david byrne said.

stop making sense.



greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
27 May 2006 9:15pm
as kristin hersh said about another stupid summer.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14967 posts
QLD, 14967 posts
28 May 2006 5:48am
i see another 50 foot wave fan.

very cool.....
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
28 May 2006 8:19am
Freestyle is just another way to have a blast on the water, no waves but some wind, after sailing up and down a few hundred times trust me u get bored, and thats when you take up kiteboarding (where you get big airs after only a week)!
The thing is that it requires a LOT of skill and perseverance, you have to fall about 50 times to get a maneover right; not every one is really keen for that.
An easy one is the speedloop, but its such a mental barrier for the average sailor. Once you've done it, the feeling is just so good that you want to get it right every time and then you try other tricks.
I respect the surfer's attitude but I dont think that fetching some ideology about every aspect of the sport helps. Freestylers have fun doing it, you get your adrenalin rush, you come home happy, end of story
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
28 May 2006 3:58pm
Coming out happy is where it's at!! As long as you're not hurting/inconveniencing any body else, all the rest is irrelevant!!
I certainly wouldn't expect anybody else to share my paticular mindset.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3585 posts
NSW, 3585 posts
28 May 2006 6:17pm
I've always thought the "functional" idea in surfing was arguable. Like, what the hell makes off the lips and bottom turns more "functional" than a quasimodo? I mean, waves aren't like the bus to work. We're not using the wave for any function other than enjoyment, and in that case surely what's fun is what's functional?

I'm more into longboard freestyle at the moment, and I'm still loving it and still finding many new challenges (pirouttes on the rail etc) after many years. As X Man says, it's just another way to have fun.

Gestalt's discourse has of course adequately subverted the dominant paradigm in a foucautian manner.

decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
28 May 2006 4:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by Chris 249

Like, what the hell makes off the lips and bottom turns more "functional" than a quasimodo?



It's very hard to categorise manouevres, It's more why and where they are done. Something functional, improves either or, speed, power, control and proximity to the action. In other words you're riding the wave not the board.
Personally I get my kicks from "Gs" +ve & -ve. I remember well the days when I still had enough bottle to ride Margarets, those freefalling take offs, then the knee bending bottom turns, thought I was going to snap my board once, just couldn't stop myself from sinking downwards.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14967 posts
QLD, 14967 posts
28 May 2006 8:04pm
have i discoursed in a foucaultian manner?
does that mean that i am a postmodern nihilist at the core.
maybe i am a postmodern modernist. you could be right then...i shall look in the mirror and see if i see a french man.

or i may have to sit on the fence.

do i rely on that which i reject? did i infact reject anything at all.

to reject the capatilist views associated with modernity from a moral sense doesn't necessarily portray a rejection of modernity. i consider myself a modernist, in music, art and architecture. my contradiction then it seems is my want for globalism and a love of postmodern humour.

Did my discourse subvert the dominant paradigm. i believe it empowered the dominat paradigm by paying tribute to it's evolvement.

it was more an exploration of the evolution of windsurfing within a postmodern environment, or have we crossed into a new era that is yet to be defined on the artistic and philosophical time line.

and yes i think that top and bottom turns are more functional than a quasimodo.








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