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ka43
ka43
NSW
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NSW, 3105 posts
27 Jul 2006 10:49am
just came back from 3 weeks on Maui. Just doing bump and jump and waves if we got some.
I took my GPS just for fun and to see how quick we could get wave gear going in strong wind.
I first turned it on at Kanaha and it took ages to get a slight signal. It asked me if i was over a hundred miles from my last position, doh, try around 5,000.
Still no go. I asked other users and all was OK. I thought maybe it was the proximity of the airport so tried again over in Kihei where we were staying, same thing, no signal. gave up.
Tried again back over here in Sydney and hey presto, not a problem.
Any of you guys got any ideas or advice on this one.
Cheers.
gazza
gazza
WA
647 posts
WA, 647 posts
27 Jul 2006 9:20am
when setting up mine i had to state what satalite area i was in so maybe that was the problem
maybe diffent areas of the world need differant settings check the instructions
my gps is only a budget one and was bought for fishing
hope this helps for next time
qwerty
qwerty
NSW
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NSW, 807 posts
27 Jul 2006 11:58am
In the northern hemisphere, you have to sail backwards for them to work.
ka43
ka43
NSW
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NSW, 3105 posts
27 Jul 2006 2:15pm
Thanks Gazza, I hadnt thought of that. I reckon you hit it on the head with that.
As for you Mr Smarty Pants Qwertmeister, that might be the case but at least Im on the same planet as everyone else unlike you south coast troglidytes.
Plus its bloody hard sailing backwards when it blows its tits off everyday and its warm.
Kremlin
Kremlin
418 posts
418 posts
27 Jul 2006 12:58pm
Comrade ka43

I could have answered question without need for GPS reading on wave gear.
Wave gear go fast enough to out run big wave... this all that matters.
If too fast you loose wave... no good yar.
If to slow you face big swim after washing machine ride... also no good yar.

I recently test this theory in Mauritius... no need for GPS reading.

Kremlin

Oh yar, and in defence of Comrade Qwerty boards do go backwards near northern hemishere... all be it for short time. I also test this theory in Mauritius when got caught by lip and sent over the falls... facing backwards

MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
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27 Jul 2006 6:17pm
Gazza is close to the money. Whe first initializing, the GPS has to do heaps of calculations to make sense of the data it is receiving. To give it a headstart, some models ask for the region you are in so it basically can make more sense of the data and recognise the satellites. That's why a hot start ie, where it has only been turned off a few minutes since its last use, is much quicker to establish position- it known roughly where it is, so it doesn't have to do as much processing to work out exact location. Next time get a window seat and turn it on mid-flight. Apart from being able to tell everyone that you had an awesome session in the Pacific sailing at over 900kmh (just don't let them check your altitude), your GPS will "understand " better where it is.
One other thing, if you weren't absolutely stationary when you were trying to get a fix, it could have sent the processor into meltdown. If moving, when getting an initial fix, especially when it's i a "New" area, it adds another degree of complexity to the calculations that will really strain it. Also, proximity to the airport shouldn't make any difference. The GPS works on UHF frequencies transmitted from the satellites. If you can see the sky, ie no tree cover, you should get a signal. And I don't think there should be anything near an airport that would stuff up UHF or any other RF signals.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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27 Jul 2006 4:45pm
Does it have a reset button? One of those little recessed ones that you only use as a last resort when it's all stuffed up?
ka43
ka43
NSW
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28 Jul 2006 10:06am
Hey Nebbian, I dont know about a reset button. I tried a few different times but got bugger all.
Thanks for the tips MikeyS. I was stationery and standing on the beach at Kanaha with clear view of sky. It certainly seemed like it was spinning out, it would get one satellite connect and then drop out continously. It asked several questions like "are you more than 100 miles from your last position?" and "are you searching for different satellites than your last position?".
The day before about a 100 guys had been using GPS for the Maui Race Series so who knows??
If I turned it on on the plane could I download to GPS Speedsurfing and claim a new world record??
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
28 Jul 2006 10:31am
Yep, ka, you probably could provided that GPS Speedsurfing track logs don't have a vertical axis, do they? And so long as the rules DON'T say that you actually have to be rigged and on the water at the time, as distinct from being with your gear (in the cargo hold at the time).
And correction- the radio signals the satellites transmit aren't in the UHF band, so I retract that comment.
slowboat
slowboat
WA
560 posts
WA, 560 posts
28 Jul 2006 9:48am
Same thing happened to me last year in France. No tracks of my fastest 2 runs on the canal. The first time I switched it on it got so confused it went into "gps off" mode. So I switched it off and on again. It fixed itself after about 25 minutes. No more probs after that.
ka43
ka43
NSW
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28 Jul 2006 4:23pm
Thanks guys, Ill try again next year.
yoyo
yoyo
WA
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30 Jul 2006 3:18pm
I believe the satellites are positioned where they are needed most. The Pacific ocean covers half the planet and the Hawaiian Islands are just a little dot in the middle of it. I would imagine they are positioned for the best fix in the Middle East and the Korean peninsular/China etc. Additionally as the US military controls the signal and has the ability to selectively degrade/interfere with the signal it stands to reason in this US Administration's present state of paranoid/beligerant behaviour they would/could make the non-encrypted signal poor at their major military Pacific location. George Bush has taken control of the GPS satellites away from the scientific body that has looked after it since it's inception and given that control to a politicised panel who think like him.

Having said that it does take a gps time to figure out where it is when you move to another location. Can be up to 20 minutes.
plev
plev
QLD
181 posts
QLD, 181 posts
30 Jul 2006 9:39pm
www.trimble.com then to GPS tutorial. Gives the basics of the GPS system in plain language. "Selective Availability" was deemed illegal and abandoned a number of years ago. Besides, good ol George W Napolian may be able to stuff around with things yank but if you care to switch your bomb guidance system to the Russian space based guidance system then selective availability is pointless. Very soon the Euro Galileo system will be up and running -- it'll make GPS look like a steam train in comparison. Not far away is sub 1m accuracy from a hand held recreational device. Now about 5m at very best.
mathew
mathew
QLD
2172 posts
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31 Jul 2006 9:45am
quote:
Originally posted by plev

... Very soon the Euro Galileo system will be up and running -- it'll make GPS look like a steam train in comparison. Not far away is sub 1m accuracy from a hand held recreational device. Now about 5m at very best.



Not quite - it is possible to get sub-metre accuracy using a hand-held GPS, however the unit would probably require:
- different type of firmware so that it provides the satellite timing codes as a data-output stream (for later analysis),
- it would require a period a time where it is stationary in the area of use to calculate the effect of atmospheric delay within that area,
- hence, more CPU/memory than is currently available to most units.
- you could build a GPS which could lock onto more satellites concurrently. eg: the Fortrex 201, which is being use by most speed sailors at the moment, can detect 12 but will lock using up to 6.
Roo
Roo
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Roo Roo
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1 Aug 2006 5:19am
Hey yoyo, enough of the yank bashing. Without them we wouldn't have GPS at all. Coverage is world wide with 28 satellites in play, an extra 4 WAAS sats over the US for enhanced accuracy. The Russians currently have 7 Glonass sats in orbit but not all of them work. One European Galileo bird is flying and going through test ops at the moment. To get a good fix in Hawaii the unit needs to go through a cold start routine, pick up the almanac info from the satellites in the area and re-orient itself to the sats present. This can take minutes initially and may need to cycle through a few resets. Up to a max of 14 sats are available in the area. Pre-setting the time zone on the unit gives it a heads up on where the unit might be located so it searches for those sats first. The next generation of receivers available now records the number of sats locked on to and their level of accuracy. This data can be used later for post processing to verify the positional fixes. These units are closer to meter level accuracy, unlike the Garmin which is around 5 meters. Galileo is slated for full operation after 2010, but you'll have to buy a new receiver to utilise their signal and coverage wont be as extensive as current GPS.
yoyo
yoyo
WA
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3 Aug 2006 3:34pm
Hey Roo, what makes you think critising George W is Yank bashing? Surely you are not unaware that the latest USAToday/Gallop poll states 60% of Yanks disapprove of George W while only 37% approve. The ABC/WashingtonPost has 60% disapprove 38% in favour and AP-Ipos 63% disapprove to 35% approve. So by your own logic 2/3 of Americans are guilty Yank bashing. But of course there IS no logic to your arguement. It is that which is used by apologists for the outragous and immoral behaviours of a few who have wrested control, via those very immoral acts, of the most powerful nation on the planet.
Though you may wish convince people otherwise, but critising a former drug taking, tax cheating, insider trading , draft dodgeing Texas governer who most feel stole the US presidency with the help of his brother and some unethical Florida electoral practises and some ruthless neocon lawyers, who then uses a lie THEY manufactured to go on to invade and completely smash a sovereign nation resulting in over a 100,000 people being killed in the most horrendous manner is NOT Yank bashing. It's Bush bashing. Most of my American friends are appalled by what Bush/Cheney have done to the institutions and reputation of their country. And in case you are thinking of coming back with some BS about bad intelligence, let me tell you now that I have talked face to face with the chief UN weapons inspector who told me he made it crystal clear to the Bush US officials in 2002 that there were NO WMDs left in Iraq. Their response? They said they didn't care, "we will tell the public there is still 10-20 missles, that's all we need" then true to form they set about destroying his credibility and career with more BS. It comes easy to them.
What I stated in my original post stands. Whether it is global warming, gps or anything scientific. Bush is replacing scientists on panels with political appointees so they can warp reports to the extent of reversing the science.
plev
plev
QLD
181 posts
QLD, 181 posts
5 Aug 2006 10:01pm
Also, it is in the minds of many a matter of great shame that the label "most powerful" actually means "largest destructive capacity".
Yank bashing, no. Perspective. How about, Texas--- lowest expenditure on education and always had the death penalty. Combine these and I guess it's a bit easier to live with "colateral damage" and "friendly fire". Unfortunatly, we all have to live with the consequences of handing power to these so called politicians. Let's just sail and hope that soon the pollies will flip the wrong switch, vapourize themselves and in so doing cleanse the gene pool.
Roo
Roo
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Roo Roo
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6 Aug 2006 12:20am
G'day YoYo
do I get the impression you don't like George "W" Bush. Can you be a bit clearer next time, wasn't quite sure what your feelings were. I have a spare soapbox here if you want to climb up on it and have another go. Seems a simple question on GPS has turned into an opportunity to have a political rant, lets get back to the subject and forget about the politics for a while. Last time I looked this was a windsurfing forum. I'd much rather go sailing than worry about politicians. See ya on the water.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
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6 Aug 2006 7:41pm
some times the pressure just gets too much and you just have to let off steam!!!
Understadable in this case, and if you think anything can be completly divorced from politics, think again.

How many of these threads stay on topic anyhow???

I won't mention what I think of J.H.
Roo
Roo
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Roo Roo
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7 Aug 2006 1:49am
G'day decrepit,

it's easy to be completely divorced from politics, just go out windsurfing. On the water the worries of the world just melt away, it's just you and the wind and your gps. Got too admire little JH, he never gives up and keeps coming back to win.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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7 Aug 2006 10:10pm
G'Day Roo,
In a way of course you're right, for the time you're on the water nothing else maters.
But the ability/right to be on the water has a political aspect.
Roo
Roo
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Roo Roo
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8 Aug 2006 12:20am
The fantastic thing about windsurfing is that it's a great equaliser. It doesn't matter what your political views are, religion or race....on the water we are all windsurfers, everyone enjoying the thrill of the sport and sense of well being it provides. It's a great way to escape.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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8 Aug 2006 2:19pm
Amen!!!!!
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