Gated fins - do they work???

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Harrow
Harrow
NSW
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25 Oct 2006 4:49pm
I tried out a gated fin yesterday. Seemed to recover from spin out much faster than my standard fin. Just my imagination Does anyone still use these
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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25 Oct 2006 7:11pm
I'm assuming you mena a slotted fin.... if so....Too right they work, they almost do recover from a minor spinout all by themself.
They are slower though but are very good hi wind B&J stuff
WSguy
WSguy
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10 posts
25 Oct 2006 8:27pm
I don't think anyone makes them any more. It's been stated that fins are much better these days in preventing spin-out.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
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25 Oct 2006 10:58pm
give them a go if you can, spinout is all but eliminated.




did anyone mention drag!!!!
who would have thought that a paddlepop stick could equal a bucket.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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25 Oct 2006 9:40pm
Interesting greenleader...

Makes you wonder if just dragging a drogue or bit of rope would work like a fin, without the possibility of spinout. Reminds me of the self rescue advice for if your fin breaks, tie your harness around the board and through the back strap so you can still sail home.

There's got to be a better solution for spinout though, last Sunday I was skipping sideways for a good 100m, couldn't get the fin to stick again no matter what I did. Had to sheet out and jump off the board to get the air bubble off the fin. I'm sure everyone's had that happen to them some time.
Grasshopper
Grasshopper
NSW
58 posts
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26 Oct 2006 8:13am
Harrow

I've just started using a old slotted fin that I was using when I was 18, now 37.
Never spun out then and still doesn't.
I recon we arn't sailing for sheep stations so the little bit of drag it makes or maybe makes, who cares when spin out is all but gone.
Struth if you think your going a little slower, just remember the times you spent fighting spin outs.
I really don't good on the market now or what the current trend is but I do know my old trusty fin still keeps me going straight.
btw I was using a newer fin and it just wasn't the same.

MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
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26 Oct 2006 8:34am
At the risk of hijacking this thread into something more philosophical then Harrow's original question, isn't the solution to spinout 1. good equipment design and 2. good technique, rather than reverting to "older technology" such as a slotted fin. Not that I have anything against older technology, though, but things seem to have moved on from slotted fins and I haven't seen one at the beach for a long long time. Although I don't regularly go to have a perve at people's appendages.
I believe that fins these days are better designed and are less likely to lead to spinout, and by learning the proper technique spinout can be minimised. My point for debate (if anyone is interested in debating) is: if you revert to an old solution like a slotted fin, aren't you handicapping yourself, rather than improving as a sailor. Aren't you letting the slotted fin fix the spinout problem and mask a technique issue, rather than improving your technique and using a modern, more efficient fin (or even an old, less efficient fin) which should improve your speed/control? And by learning better technique, (and I'm not having a go at you Harrow for bad technique!) doesn't that work to fixing the spinout problem across a whole range of board/fin/sail set-ups, and wind and water conditions. Don't get me wrong- at the end of the day I don't care what equipment anyone uses, as it's a very personal thing. But is Harrow doing the best thing for his sailing by using a slotted fin to fix the problem. Short term, probably yes, because tomorrow, he'll probably spinout less, but longer term? Or am I just rambling?
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
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26 Oct 2006 9:12am
MikeyS

Agreed.
Grasshopper
Grasshopper
NSW
58 posts
NSW, 58 posts
26 Oct 2006 9:34am
Lads I nearly totally agree with you.

But if there is others like me with a limited wallet size to get the right sail, board, fin that suits the conditions.
Struth I get out when the wind is up, when not working - playing with the kids etc.

One board, One sail, 2 fins.......

Mate I'm grass roots sailing.......I'd dearly love to get the sails and boards I used to have whet I was younger, but my reality is if my slotted fin compensates for poor board choice or sail choice. I'm using it.
I agree the right gear makes sailing so so much easier

Sorry Harrow if I misslead you........

elmo
elmo
WA
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26 Oct 2006 8:51am
The good old weed fin is another option just to confuse matters.

I only have one wave fin which I like all the rest are weedies. For my level of wave sailing they don't create any difficulties.

Spinout is very rarely a problem.

Weedies also have the benifit of not snagging weed and cray pot lines.

But I think Mikey s may have his finger on the button, alot of spin out is technique and set up related, then comes fin size.

For those with limited finances, on a day which isn't going of but is sailable, organise with your mates to have a fin swapping test session to see what other peoples fins feel like. Remember though waht works for your freind may not suit you.

Alby
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
26 Oct 2006 2:26pm
To be honest I'm not really buying into the size of fin as the major problem (and so money shouldn't prevent a spin out). I used to have a biggest sail size of 6.9m (sounds small by todays comparisons) which I used with a 39cm, very upright fin. 5 years on I have completely different kit, however my biggest sail is now a 7m and I use this on a free-style board with the stock standard, raked, approx 28cm free-style fin. This as I'm sure everyone will agree is far too small for light wind, early planing 7m weather. However I get planing before a lot of people with race kit and NEVER spin the fin out (except after a bad jump attempt).

I used to spin out a lot, but after watching videos like "speed with style" which tackled spin out problems, taking on board that advice and generally getting better I don't spin out any longer.

Spining out really is based around:

1. Bad equipment set-up
2. Bad technique
3. Very difficult conditions

You can - if skilled - sail any board and sail combination with any size fin upwind without spining out (and I'm not saying I can do this).


Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
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26 Oct 2006 5:44pm
i'm a believer in the slotted fin. they have unbelievable grip. like mark says, high wind bump and jump. they are also good in mushy small surf. like everyone else is saying they don't point very well and are very slow. but if it is howling that doesn't matter.


nebbian,

i too was spinning out heaps at VP. there was lots of little bits of weed around.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
26 Oct 2006 9:25pm
BTW, the slot on the fin I was using is only about 2cm long in a 25cm fin, not one of those 'double' fins that I remember seeing in the early 90's. In choppy conditions, (such as 25knts on Botany Bay) is it really possible to eliminate spinout with technique, set-up, etc?

I'm happy for you to say "yes", but if you do, could you also tell me how to do it.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
26 Oct 2006 10:14pm
hi harrow,

your best bet in the conditions you are describing other than technique is to look at the stiffness of the fin.

a fin with a flexible tip will not spin out as much as a fin with a stiff tip. unfortunately a fin with a flexible tip doesn't work in the lighter winds so it is a bit of a compromise.

setup wise.

to stop spin out any of the stuff below can help.

set your boom at chin height.
move your harness lines back to prevent back hand pressure issues.
rig smaller
more downhaul.

technique wise.

stand more upright (very important)
straighten front leg
take force off fin when hitting chop by lifting back foot
don't over sheet sail

the double fin you describe is called a canard. they didn't really work.

torquay fins used to make proper slot fins up until fairly recently.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
26 Oct 2006 11:18pm
good old slot fins! R.I.P.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
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27 Oct 2006 7:52pm
I had a little Rainbow slotty for a few years. It was magic. It was quite small so it didn't stop me spinning out but it reengaged so easily that spinning out just wasn't an issue. I used to do it deliberately for fun. I'd like to get another one of those. That was fun sailing.
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